Jessica and Ellie Michaels
Gifted Kid, Messy Adult
Jessica and Ellie Michaels are two former gifted kids that became messy adults. The married couple discuss their lives as two neurodivergent people and how being neurodivergent has impacted their lives. In addition to discussing their lives, the duo educates listeners about what neurodiversity is and some of the intricacies that go only with it. Occasional interviews with experts and those living under the neurodiversity banner will give listeners more insight into this world to help under the umbrella that is neurodiversity. New episodes of Gifted Kid, Messy Adult drop on Wednesdays.
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Jessica and Ellie Michaels
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Sep 22, 2025
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Episodes
Pronouns And Being Trans (With Mat Elfring) 22.05.2024 56:23
Producer Mat comes back to the show and completely derails the episode within the first minute. Jessica and Ellie answer Mat's questions about pronoun usage and Ellie's experiences as being a trans woman. Diving deep into these worlds--mainly about being Ellie being trans--we all learn a bit more about these worlds and take a walk in someone else's shoes. Mat Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.co...
The Lasting Effects Of Being A Gifted Kid 15.05.2024 36:07
Both Jessica and Ellie grew up as gifted kids, but how did that label affect them growing up, and more importantly, how did that label affect them as adults? The hosts talk about their experiences and where they are now, thinking back to their childhood. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheNeurodiverseWorkplace YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GiftedKidMessyAdult/featured Facebook: https:/...
Stimming 08.05.2024 39:00
Jessica and Ellie explain what "stimming" is--it's basically an action that stimulates your brain that's soothing to the person doing it. While it is a trait that neurotypical people may do from time-to-time, it is something neurodivergent people do quite a bit. The hosts discuss the finer points of stimming and how each of them stim in their day-to-day lives and how it helps them. Links: Patreon:...
Autoimmune Challenges 01.05.2024 40:18
What are autoimmune challenges and how they do effect the neurodivergent community? Jessica opens up about her own recent autoimmune conditions and her diagnosis. Her journey to figure out why these symptoms affect her life. While neither Ellie or Jessica are medical professionals, their stories about dealing with these challenges and their journeys are important for the neurodivergent community....
The Neurodiverse Professionals Community 24.04.2024 33:05
Jessica talks about building a community of neurodiversity professionals. Growing up, Jessica knew her experiences as a child weren't like others. Later in life, she realized she wasn't the only person who felt like this. How does this professional community come together and why does it matter? Jessica explains everything about this growing community, who is involved, and what neurodiverse people...
Sleep 17.04.2024 46:51
As you grow older, the relationship between sleep and yourself becomes more complicated. For those in the neurodivergent community, it can be a bit more of a journey. Jessica and Ellie discuss their relationships with sleep and why many neurodiverse people deal with problems trying to get to sleep each night. The Catieosaurus video that kicked off this episode: https://www.tiktok.com/@catieosaurus...
Burnout (With Carole Jean Whittington) 10.04.2024 46:46
Ever feel tired, lackadaisical, or maybe you just don't feel like engaging with the outside world? There's a good chance you could be feeling burnout. Everyone can experience this, and on this week's episode Carole Jean Whittington of Whittington Well-Being discusses burnout and how it affects people alongside Jessica and Ellie. Learn more about the ins and outs of this feeling and how it affects...
The Link Between ADHD And Obesity 03.04.2024 42:28
When it comes to ADHD, there are plenty of obstacles to overcome. One of the things that have been more recently discussed is the link between ADHD and obesity. At times, a coping mechanism with the chaotic world around neurotypical people is eating, which, in turn, can lead to obesity. On this episode Jessica and Ellie discuss these links and how it has affected their lives. Disclosure: Jessica a...
Hyperfixations 27.03.2024 37:16
When does a hobby or something you enjoy lean into the neurodivergent trait of a hyperfixation? Well, the answer is pretty clean, as on this episode of Gifted Kid, Messy Adult, Jessica and Ellie discuss Ellie's hyperfixation on Star Trek. Jessica explains how aspects of Ellie's love for everything Star Trek fits into the neurodivergent column, and Ellie really goes in deep into everything a Trekki...
Masking (With Mat Elfring) 20.03.2024 43:11
Sometimes, you have to pretend to be ok or pretend you fit in, in order to make yourself feel like a normal, neurotypical in public. This is the idea of masking. Everyone does it, but neurodiverse people tend to do it a lot more. This week, Jessica explains what masking is, and Ellie talks about her experiences as well. Additionally, producer Mat Elfring comes on to discuss his experiences with ma...
Picking Your Battles 13.03.2024 50:53
For everyone, deciding which battles are worth fighting and which ones aren't worth your time, can be a daunting task. For those in the neurotypical community, it can be a tougher decision, and many times, we decide to take up the challenge, even if it's not worth our time or will get us into a bit of trouble. This week, Jessica and Ellie explain what Picking Your Battles means and tell some stori...
Revenge Bedtime Procrastination 06.03.2024 37:49
Why even go to sleep when you can be up doing stuff? When you work hard during the day, sometimes you want to stay up and socialize and get things done around the house--or just relax. It's tough to balance work and life, and for those with ADHD (and other neurodivergent folks), it can be even tougher. Instead of going to bed, you read a book or watch a YouTube video about potatoes. Jessica and El...
Imposter Syndrome 28.02.2024 41:16
We're not even good enough to talk about the topic of imposter syndrome. See what we did there? The feeling of having accomplishments in something but feeling "not worthy" of that praise is a tough pill to swallow for many people, not just neurodivergent folks. Jessica and Ellie discuss the ways they don't feel important enough to talk about things they're talented in and their thoughts on imposte...
Overwhelm 21.02.2024 38:26
Living with autism, ADHD, or the various other types of neurodiversity can mean your brain doesn't function the way a neurotypical brain would. Tasks, day-to-day stresses, and minor obstacles can accumulate for someone struggling in the neurodiversity community. That brings us to the idea of being and feeling overwhelmed. Things pile up over time, and how do they all get accomplished? Hosts Jessic...
The Gifted Kid Experience 14.02.2024 41:12
While a lot of this podcast has focused on how neurodivergent people deal with things neurotypicals don't have to endure on a day-to-day basis, there is one element of all of this that hasn't been fully discussed yet: being a Gifted Kid. Jessica Michaels discusses her time growing up as a Gifted Kid and just what she experienced in that walk of life. Links: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.c...
Doompiles 07.02.2024 35:29
Doompiles. The term isn't as scary as it sounds, but the concept can be overwhelming to the neurodivergent community. Jessica and Ellie Michaels discuss what doompiles are and how they play a role in neurodiversity. How do doompiles affect the hosts in their day-to-day lives. This is all explained and discussed in this episode. Links: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gifted-ki...
Who Is Neurodivergent? (With Mat Elfring) 31.01.2024 52:31
What does it mean to be neurodivergent and who do many people consider to be neurodivergent? This week, Jessica and Ellie discuss this with Gifted Kid, Messy Adult producer Mat Elfring, as he discusses being epileptic and how that affects his mood and emotions. Jessica gives greater insight into how emotions and neurodivergence connect, along with categorizing who is considered neurodivergent now...
Friends 24.01.2024 46:48
For neurotypical people, making and keeping friends is a far different experience than those who are neurodivergent. From communication to maintaining friendships to expressing empathy, there's lots of difference between the groups. Jessica and Ellie discuss how friendships for the neurodivergent manifest and how they are maintained. Just because a neurodivergent person hasn't talked to you in a d...
Habits 17.01.2024 42:32
Habits may not be something neurotypical people notice in every day life. However, habits can become problematic for the nuerodiverse. From diving into hobbies that can become something that takes over your life to obsessing over the tiniest thing, those with ADHD, austism, and others can find that habits can take over their lives. In this week's episode, Jessica and Ellie discuss their habits, bo...
Introductions And Neurodivergent Observations 10.01.2024 32:59
Hosts Jessica and Ellie Michaels discuss the world of neurodiversity in this opening episode. What is neurodiversity? How does it affect people's lives? These topics are delved into this week, which serves as an introductory look at the hosts and the world they live in. Links: Coach Jessica Michaels : https://coachjessicamichaels.com/
Trailer 28.12.2023 0:47
Here's what you can expect from Gifted Kid, Messy Adult, hosted by Jessica and Ellie Michaels, a podcast about Neurodiversity. New episodes of Gifted Kid, Messy Adult drop on Wednesdays. Links: Coach Jessica Michaels (https://coachjessicamichaels.com/)
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