Jessica and Ellie Michaels

Gifted Kid, Messy Adult

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Jessica and Ellie Michaels are two former gifted kids that became messy adults. The married couple discuss their lives as two neurodivergent people and how being neurodivergent has impacted their lives. In addition to discussing their lives, the duo educates listeners about what neurodiversity is and some of the intricacies that go only with it. Occasional interviews with experts and those living under the neurodiversity banner will give listeners more insight into this world to help under the umbrella that is neurodiversity. New episodes of Gifted Kid, Messy Adult drop on Wednesdays.

Author

Jessica and Ellie Michaels

Category

Health

Podcast website

coachjessicamichaels.com

Latest episode

Sep 22, 2025

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Episodes

Fear of the Unknown 15.01.2025

In which Jess and Ellie discuss the ways in which the neurodivergent brain can be paralyzed by the fear of the unknown.

Hyperfixation: Wicked (The Movie) 08.01.2025

In which Jess and Ellie (mostly Jess) discuss Jess's current hyperfixation, the musical movie Wicked!

Interview with Cait Glasson 18.12.2024

In which Jess and Ellie interview activist Cait Glasson on being in the first ever gifted class in Canada. Get professional coaching for you or the ND adult in your life https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ Get behind the scenes content and help us continue to provide free support for the ND people in all our lives https://www.patreon.com/TheNeurodiverseWorkplace

Over-Therapized 04.12.2024

In which Jess and Ellie get properly pissed off at an ablest article. The article has since been pulled from Yahoo news, probably because someone read it and noticed it was awful. https://www.foxnews.com/health/adhd-now-affects-15-5-million-us-adults-new-cdc-report Get professional coaching for you or the ND adult in your life https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ Get behind the scenes content and hel...

The ADHD Tax 27.11.2024

In which Jess and Ellie discuss the ADHD tax and its fiscal, emotional, and physical cost. Get professional coaching for you or the ND adult in your life https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ Get behind the scenes content and help us continue to provide free support for the ND people in all our lives https://www.patreon.com/TheNeurodiverseWorkplace Help keep us alive! https://www.gofundme.com/f/suppor...

Masking (part 2) 30.10.2024

In which Jess and Ellie discuss Masking and how it effects our lives. Get professional coaching for you or the ND adult in your life https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ Help keep us alive! https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-jess-and-ellies-fight-for-health Get professional video production for you or the small business in your life https://www.elliemichaelsproductions.com/ Get behind the scenes cont...

Bins 16.10.2024

In which Jess and Ellie discuss the joy of bins. https://shorturl.at/r8Sze these things Help keep us alive! https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-jess-and-ellies-fight-for-health Get professional coaching for you or the ND adult in your life https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ Get professional video production for you or the small business in your life https://www.elliemichaelsproductions.com/ Get behi...

Rules Lawyer 02.10.2024

In which Jess has a migraine so Ellie kinda babbles on about being a Rules Lawyer. Help keep us alive! https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-jess-and-ellies-fight-for-health Get professional coaching for you or the ND adult in your life https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ Get professional video production for you or the small business in your life https://www.elliemichaelsproductions.com/ Get behind th...

Cognitive Shuffle 25.09.2024

In which Jess and Ellie discuss the Cognitive Shuffle method for falling asleep. https://www.vogue.co.uk/beauty/article/cognitive-shuffle-sleep-method Help keep us alive! https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-jess-and-ellies-fight-for-health Get professional coaching for you or the ND adult in your life https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ Get professional video production for you or the small business...

Tossing (Doom Piles) 18.09.2024

In which Jess and Ellie discuss Tossing. The Nuclear Option of dealing with Doom Piles. Help keep us alive! https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-jess-and-ellies-fight-for-health Get professional coaching for you or the ND adult in your life https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ Get professional video production for you or the small business in your life https://www.elliemichaelsproductions.com/ Get behi...

Unique psychological challenges - binocular vision 04.09.2024

In which Jess and Ellie discuss the phenomenon of binocular vision in gifted people as covered in this https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTNwXSdsW/ post from Dr. Joey Lawrence Help keep us alive! https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-jess-and-ellies-fight-for-health Get professional coaching for you or the ND adult in your life https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ Get professional video production for you or the...

Overcomplicating 28.08.2024

One of our new series of 'psychological challenges unique to gifted people' inspired by Dr. Joey Lawrence's video https://www.tiktok.com/@nd_psych/video/7394691914064301319?_r=1&_t=8pEfrNbgrEM https://linktr.ee/neudle Help keep us alive! https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-jess-and-ellies-fight-for-health Get professional coaching for you or the ND adult in your life https://coachjessicamichael...

Procrastination and Anxiety - publishing a book 21.08.2024

In which Jess and Ellie discuss Jess's upcoming book "One Size Fits No One." A book on neuroinclusion in adult education in a corporate environment as well as the procrastination and anxiety neurodivergent people experience when faced with seemingly impossible tasks. https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-jess-and-ellies-fight-for-health https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ https://www.elliemichaelsprodu...

Neurospicy 14.08.2024

https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-jess-and-ellies-fight-for-health https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ https://www.elliemichaelsproductions.com/ https://www.patreon.com/TheNeurodiverseWorkplace “We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.” ― James D. Nicoll

Eye Contact 07.08.2024

Jess and Ellie discuss the misconceptions about eye contact and why its the worst thing ever if you're neurodivergent. https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-jess-and-ellies-fight-for-health https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ https://www.elliemichaelsproductions.com/ https://www.patreon.com/TheNeurodiverseWorkplace

Friendships 31.07.2024

Jess and Ellie discuss the difficulty neurodivergent people can have with forming and maintaining friendships. https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-jess-and-ellies-fight-for-health https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ https://www.elliemichaelsproductions.com/ https://www.patreon.com/TheNeurodiverseWorkplace

Transitions 24.07.2024

Jess and Ellie discuss the difficulty neurodivergent people can have with transitions - moving from one activity to another. https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-jess-and-ellies-fight-for-health https://coachjessicamichaels.com/ https://www.elliemichaelsproductions.com/ https://www.patreon.com/TheNeurodiverseWorkplace

Interview with Dr. Ali Perkinson 17.07.2024

https://www.connection-squared.com/ instagram: https://www.instagram.com/connectingwithali/?hl=en Dr. Ali's Linktree https://linktr.ee/connection_squared https://embrace-autism.com/

Please Stand By 11.07.2024

Jess and Ellie's fight for health https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-jess-and-ellies-fight-for-health Regular podcast service will resume on 7/18/24

Autistic Personification 03.07.2024

Jess and Ellie discuss the phenomenon of Autistic Personification and why its sometimes embarrassing, but also sometimes helpful. IKEA lamp commercial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBqhIVyfsRg

Chronic Invalidation 26.06.2024

There is a difference in neurodivergent people with how they perceive the world and how others think they should be perceiving the world. These views from the perspective of the neurodivergent can be dismissed or ignored, and it can be a form of emotional abuse. This week, Jess and Ellie discuss the matter and their experiences struggling with chronic invalidation. Links: Patreon: https://www.patr...

Everyone's A Little... No 20.06.2024

While autism is a spectrum, there's the growing phrase, "Everyone is a little autistic." You can replace "autistic" with a plethora of other neurodiverse terms. This isn't true, though. Jess and Ellie discuss this phrase and explain why it can be damaging and how it affects people who have been diagnosed and live with these traits. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheNeurodiverseWorkplace Y...

The Kitchen 12.06.2024

This may seem like an offbeat episode, but this week, Jess and Ellie are talking about the kitchen and food. The two dive into the world of grocery shopping and self-checkouts--since waiting in line for a cashier feels like a waste of time. They also discuss placing items in their kitchen and why that's important. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheNeurodiverseWorkplace YouTube: https://ww...

Video Games 05.06.2024

Finally, Jessica and Ellie can talk about something that they love in their personal lives: video games. While there aren't formal studies connecting the neurodivergent community to video gaming, both Jessica and Ellie relate how being neurodivergent and enjoying video games connect for them on a personal level. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheNeurodiverseWorkplace YouTube: https://www....

Emotional Object Permanence 29.05.2024

The idea that you forget about people's emotions in relation to you or objects, in general, is a part of both neurotypical and neurodiverse communities, but it's something the neurodiverse community deal with a bit more. This week, Jessica and Ellie explain the concept a little bit further and discuss how it affects their lives. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheNeurodiverseWorkplace YouT...

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