Chris Jones
From Harm to Healing
From Harm to Healing is a podcast hosted by therapist Chris Jones (www.chrisjonestherapy.co.uk), creator of the From Harm to Healing treatment program. This podcast explores the hidden dynamics of infidelity and compulsive sexual behaviour in relationships, using the Deceptive Sexuality Trauma model. Whether you're in recovery yourself or dealing with the traumatic impacts of deception, this podcast offers clarity, insight, and hope for healing after betrayal.
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Episodes
Episode 34 - Conversations with Trish Haight - Intentional Vibe Theory 28.06.2026 32:48
In this episode, Chris is once again joined by DST therapist Trish Haight to continue their exploration of the Deceptive Sexuality Trauma (DST) model. Together they discuss Intentional Vibe Trauma Theory and Treatment, exploring the importance of therapeutic presence, humility, deep listening, and creating the conditions for healing. They also explore the metaphor of the "dark cave of unlit truths...
Episode 33 - Conversations with Rhian Kivits - The Recovery Compass 14.06.2026 1:03:36
In this episode, Chris is joined by UK-based sex and relationship therapist and Certified DST Therapist Rhian Kivits. Together they explore the often-overlooked experiences of betrayed partners navigating the traumatic impact of deceptive sexuality. Drawing on her background in relationship therapy, narcissistic abuse work, and the Deceptive Sexuality Trauma (DST) model, Rhian explores why traditi...
Episode 32 - Conversations with Duane Osterlind - Shame Resilience 31.05.2026 39:36
In this episode, Chris is joined by Duane Osterlind for a conversation exploring the role of shame in the healing process. Together, they examine how shame can quietly disrupt progress—particularly in men who are genuinely trying to repair after betrayal—often blocking empathy, emotional connection, and meaningful change. They also explore the concept of shame resilience, the patterns that emerge...
Episode 31 - The 22 Rooms (Part 3) 17.05.2026 43:55
In this episode, Chris continues exploring “The 22 Rooms.” Following the covert phase and the exposure phase covered in earlier episodes, this third part focuses on the symptom progression phase - how the impact of the trauma develops over time. He explores the deep triadic core symptoms that might develop, the relational patterns that often emerge, and the longer-term psychological impacts of reb...
Episode 30 - The 22 Rooms (Part 2) 03.05.2026 43:34
In this episode, Chris continues exploring “The 22 Rooms.” Part one focused on the covert phase of deceptive sexuality. In this second part, he turns to the exposure phase - when the hidden reality of the secret sexual basement is either discovered or disclosed. He examines the acute reality fragmentation that can occur at this stage, along with the associated attachment injury, before exploring t...
Episode 29 - The 22 Rooms (Part 1) 19.04.2026 23:44
In this episode, Chris beings exploring “The 22 Rooms” — a key clinical framework within the DST model. Whilst the rooms have been mentioned on various occasions, this marks the first in a series of episodes dedicated to exploring the framework in more depth. The first instalment begins by explaining the core metaphor of the rooms and then examines the first three, which represent the covert phase...
Episode 28 - Conversations with Trish Haight - From Object to Human (Part 2) 05.04.2026 55:06
This is the second part of the conversation Chris recently had with Trish Haight to discuss the DST model, objectification to humanisation, and the difference between surface-level change and deeper transformation. Trish is a DST therapist who co-facilitates the DST training programme with Dr Omar Minwalla and played a key role in developing the model. Find out more: Website: https://trishhaight.c...
Episode 27 - Conversations with Trish Haight - From Object to Human (Part 1) 22.03.2026 49:15
Chris recently sat down with Trish Haight for a second time to discuss the DST model, focusing on the shift from objectification to humanisation of self and others. They also examine the difference between surface-level change and deeper transformation. This episode features the first half of that conversation. Trish is a DST therapist who co-facilitates the DST training programme with Dr Omar Min...
Episode 26 - Internal vs External Motivation 08.03.2026 17:56
In this episode, Chris explores the topic of internal vs external motivation and it's importance when we consider approaching any kind of therapeutic work. In particular, he considers what the research has to say about client outcomes, and also the negative outcomes that might occur if somebody is approaching their recovery journey from a place of purely external motivation.
Episode 25 - Holding and Healing 22.02.2026 20:08
In this episode, Chris continues to explore attending work, this time focussing on the bigger picture of how healing can actually happen when there is a abuse, victim, trauma story that needs to be told.
Episode 24 - Conditions Over Techniques 02.02.2026 15:10
In this episode, Chris continues exploring the topic of authenticity and it's importance to the task of attending to deceptive sexuality trauma. He also explores some of his own therapeutic journey and how it contributed to these ideas of attending vs fixing, or conditions over techniques as taught within the DST model.
Episode 23 - Authentic Reality 18.01.2026 21:48
In this episode, Chris continues exploring the topic of the voice. In particular, he explores the idea of authentic reality, and how accuracy and truth in recovery aren't enough by themselves - there also needs to be a growing expression of authenticity about the self. He concludes by sharing an introduction that's often used in the From Harm to Healing groups to highlight the central pillars of s...
Episode 22 - Conversations with Dr. Minwalla - The Voice 04.01.2026 43:36
Chris recently sat down for another conversation with Dr. Omar Minwalla to explore the topic of the human voice, based on Dr. Minwalla's recent whitepaper. In this episode, he specifically breaks down the top five reasons that the human voice is the key clinical instrument when healing from - or treating - deceptive sexuality and deceptive sexuality trauma.
Episode 21 - Conversations with Dr. Minwalla - Attending (Part 2) 21.12.2025 56:11
Chris recently sat down for another conversation with Dr. Omar Minwalla to explore the topic of attending work - how the person that maintained the secret sexual basement can learn to attend well to it's traumatic repercussions for the betrayed partner and the injured relationship . Today's episode is the second part of that discussion.
Episode 20 - Conversations with Dr. Minwalla - Attending (Part 1) 07.12.2025 47:17
Chris recently sat down for another conversation with Dr. Omar Minwalla to explore the topic of attending work - how the person that maintained the secret sexual basement can learn to attend well to it's traumatic repercussions for the betrayed partner and the injured relationship . Today's episode is the first part of that discussion.
Episode 19 - Full Therapeutic Disclosure 23.11.2025 19:11
In this episode, Chris explores the purpose and process of full therapeutic disclosure, explaining how disclosure is not simply an exchange of facts, but a critical act of restorative justice—designed to redress the power imbalance created by secrecy and deception.
Episode 18 - Power Imbalances and Restorative Justice 09.11.2025 19:07
In this episode, Chris explores how power and control shape both the harm caused by deceptive sexuality and the recovery process that follows. He also introduces the concept of restorative justice—a key pillar of the DST model—and contrasts it with a retributive, punishment-based mindset.
Episode 17 - Conversations with Dr. Minwalla - Healthy Masculinity (Part 2) 26.10.2025 31:18
Chris recently sat down for another conversation with Dr. Omar Minwalla to delve deeper into the topic of healthy masculinity, and how it relates to "The Three I's" of integrity, intimacy, and integration. Today's episode is the second part of that discussion.
Episode 16 - Conversations with Dr. Minwalla - Healthy Maculinity (Part 1) 12.10.2025 29:55
Chris recently sat down for another conversation with Dr. Omar Minwalla to delve deeper into the topic of healthy masculinity, and how it relates to "The Three I's" of integrity, intimacy, and integration. Today's episode is the first part of that discussion.
Episode 15 - Conversations with Trish Haight - Healing from Betrayal (Part 2) 28.09.2025 38:24
This is the second half of the conversation Chris recently had with Trish Haight to discuss her work and to illuminate what the journey of healing can look like for the betrayed partner and the injured relationship. Trish is a DST therapist that co-facilitates the DST training program with Dr. Omar Minwalla and was a key part of the models development. You can find out more about Trish by visiting...
Episode 14 - Conversations with Trish Haight - Healing from Betrayal (Part 1) 21.09.2025 36:07
Chris recently sat down with Trish Haight to discuss her work and to illuminate what the journey of healing can look like for the betrayed partner and the injured relationship. Today's episode is the first half of that conversation. Trish is a DST therapist that co-facilitates the DST training program with Dr. Omar Minwalla and was a key part of the model's development. You can find out more about...
Episode 13 - Stages of Recovery 14.09.2025 24:39
In this episode, Chris introduces 2 more DST frameworks — the three plates (the person who built the basement, the betrayed partner, and the injured relationship) and the five stages of treatment (assessment, stabilization, metabolization, reconstruction, expansion) — a helpful way of considering what progress and recovery might look like on this journey, and what some of the important clinical ta...
Episode 12 - Conversations with Dr. Minwalla - The Three I's (Part 3) 07.09.2025 36:03
Chris recently sat down with Dr. Omar Minwalla to have some in-depth conversations about different aspects of his DST model. Today's episode is the third excerpt from those conversations where they dive deeper into the topic of integration and why it's such an important part of treatment for infidelity and compulsive sexual behaviour.
Episode 11 - Conversations with Dr. Minwalla - The Three I's (Part 2) 31.08.2025 34:52
Chris recently sat down with Dr. Omar Minwalla to have some in-depth conversations about different aspects of his DST model. Today's episode is the second excerpt from those conversations where they dive deeper into the topic of intimacy and why it's such an important part of treatment for infidelity and compulsive sexual behaviour.
Episode 10 - Conversations with Dr. Minwalla - The Three I's (Part 1) 24.08.2025 57:38
Chris recently sat down with Dr. Omar Minwalla to have some in-depth conversations about different aspects of his DST model. Today's episode is an excerpt from those conversations where they dive deeper into the topic of integrity and why it's such a crucial missing piece from so many treatment approaches for infidelity and compulsive sexual behaviour.
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