The Systemic Way

In this episode we talk with Dr Ged Smith about his ideas on taking a 1.5 order position in therapy. Ged introduces us to the meaning of the 1.5 order position and shows us ways to operate within and between first and second order positions from his own experience.  In this podcast we discuss the therapeutic conundrums and tensions between the therapists  position as expert and collaborator; havin...

Nick Pendry is a social worker and family therapist. He is currently employed as the deputy director of children's services at the London Borough of Wandsworth. He identifies as a Brown-Indian man. Nick has worked in various roles in the NHS and local authority children’s services. He is particularly interested in embedding systemic ideas and practices into children’s social care and in the c...

In this episode we hear about Inga-Britt Krause's professional life with a focus on race and equity - the importance of teaching it and the nuances that need to be held in mind. The conversation is framed around her paper "Can we teach race and equity? (2022)" and we hope it invites a lens of curiosity and reflection on where we are at with race and equity as a systemic community. I...

Dr Victor Yalom, founder of Psychotherapy.net joins the Systemic Way in a conversation about developing your best therapeutic self. We hear about his experiences of becoming a therapist, creating Psychotherapy.net and also tips on developing a more dynamic, authentic self so that you can better connect with and support your clients along their therapeutic journey. Being self-aware, comfortable sit...

In this episode, Julie and Sezer speak with Gwyn Daniel about her connection to politics and systemic thinking and how she navigates the two in the systemic community. Gwyn talks about gender, power, class and geography in this rich and insightful episode. Gwyn Daniel is a Systemic Family Therapist, Trainer, Clinical Supervisor  and co-founder of the Oxford Family Institute. She has authored or co...

In this episode we explore the personal and professional journey of Hesther Selbeck, a Dutch Systemic Psychotherapist and developer of Contextual Equine Therapy. Hesther takes us on a ride through the development, theory and practice that underpins her model.  Contextual Equine Therapy is a form of systemic therapy in which horses are used as co-therapists. The interaction with the horses provides...

In this episode we are honoured to speak with Ncazelo Ncube-Mlilo, where we discuss her work with a focus on the COURRAGE approach that she has developed with women who have experienced trauma.  COURRAGE is a collective narrative way of working that privileges the alternative stories of women who have faced significant hardships. It honours the strengths, skills and courage women show and use in t...

In this episode, Julie and Sezer speak with Chiara Santin who  is a Systemic and Family Psychotherapist, supervisor, trainer and Director of Rainbow Family Therapy Services  and Rainbow Community Projects CIC.   Chiara has  worked with children and families for more than 30 years, in Italy as a community-based youth worker and in UK as a professional. She is passionate about promoting affordable f...

In this episode we hear about the  ground-breaking Handbook of Systemic Family Therapy (Wampler, 2020) from three contributing editors. We discuss it's creation, the process of its development and get a deeper dive into some of the chapters. This handbook is a magnificent resource for family therapist as its sets to redefine the  profession and practice of systemic therapy and it was a real p...

In this episode we meet with the founder of Superhero Therapy, the amazing  Dr Janina Scarlet! We talk about her  work, career and the development of Superhero Therapy. As ever, we explore how this approach can be used within systemic therapy and think about ways in which we can incorporate the use of Superheroes in our work with families. Dr. Janina Scarlet, based in San Diego, CA, is a Clinical...

In this episode we meet Dr Travis Heath, PhD, to speak about decolonising psychotherapy. He generously shares his current thinking, reading and practice around the topic. Travis Heath is Narrative Therapist, Clinical Psychologist and Associate Professor of Psychology at Metropolitan State University of Denver, Colorado. His work has  focused on  shifting from a multicultural approach to counseling...

In this episode we speak with Joe Cottrell-Boyce, film writer, systemic family therapist and social worker about the ITV drama "Stephen" which he co-wrote (2021).  We explore themes of family trauma, the impact of racism, institutional racism and the search for justice and peace.  We also discuss his 2021 paper "Addressing White privilege in family therapy: A discourse analysis&quot...

In this episode we meet with Josue Cardona who is the founder and president of Geek Therapy based in the USA.  Geek Therapy is a affinity based model of therapeutic intervention that shows you different ways to communicate and understand people through their passions and interest.  Learn more about Geek Therapy @  www.geektherapy.org  

In this episode we review the past year, looking at how the podcast started, our hopes in creating the content, review of the episodes and a look forward to what is coming up in 2022! Thank you to all the listeners and special guests that have joined us in our first year in making the podcast! Special thank you to Tasmin Arai Drake and Rena Paid for providing the art work and music for our podcast...

In this episode Julie and Sezer speak with Helen Bonnick, author of the book 'Child to Parent Violence and Abuse: A Practitioner’s Guide to Working with Families'.  We discuss the origins of the book,  core ideas,  implications for practice and the systemic ideas which have both influenced and developed her work.

In this episode we speak with Professor Dr Carlene Firmin MBE and Lisa Bostock on the development, key ideas, research and implementation of Contextual Safeguarding.  We explore how the framework of Contextual Safeguarding crosses over and interacts with systemic concepts and gain insights into how we can begin to use this framework in our practice.  For more information on Contextual Safeguarding...

In todays episode we speak with systemic psychotherapy consultants, Percy Aggett and Philip Messent who share their thoughts on rethinking leadership and management through a collaborative approach drawing on systemic principles and ideas. Percy Aggett is a social work trained systemic psychotherapist. He was previously the Associate Clinical Director and Head of Psychological Therapies in Tower H...

VIVA talk! In today's episode Professor Hannah Sherbersky takes us through a piece of her work in the style of a VIVA. This episode gives the listener an insight into Hannah's practice and helpful ideas about answering questions and talking about ones work in general. Professor Hannah Sherbersky is  an Associate Professor, Systemic Psychotherapist, Deputy Director of Post-Graduate Taught...

NVR: In this episode we speak with Dr Peter Jakob and Joanne Buchmuller on the development, theory and practice of NVR. They share their own experiences and reflections in this insightful and informative conversation. Please do also check out their work at https://www.partnershipprojectsuk.com/ and their numerous publications on NVR.

In this episode we speak with Shona Grant about her relationship to embodiment in her practice - how she discovered it, its' meaning and the ways it has developed her as a systemic therapist and social worker. 

In this episode we met with author, dramatherapist and systemic practitioner Talya Bruck who talks to us about her therapeutic story writing and series of published books.  The  Savanna Therapeutic Stories series  was established at the beginning of Covid 19 2020  and are a valuable resource to help families, educators and therapists support young people through the use of metaphor. They are avail...

In today's episode Julie and Sezer meet with the Co-editors of Pandemic as Systemic Flux which is a writing project within  Murmurations: Journal of Transformative Systemic Practice . The writing project has established and reflects a preoccupation with a need for the systemic practice community to feel ownership of our journals, to feel connected to the texts they read, and feel entitled to...

Systemic Work in Singapore: A Conversation with systemic psychotherapists Maimunah Mosli and Fajar Saban on how they have introduced systemic practice to the  multi-cultural landscape of Singapore. In this episode we discuss cross-cultural practice, the role of spirituality and systemic community work. We also hear the inspiring journey  and development of the SYM academy in Singapore. 

A conversation with Prof. Dr. Peter Rober who is a clinical psychologist, family therapist and family therapy trainer. Peter practices and teaches in Belgium and has several articles in international journals of family therapy. In this episode we hear how Peter became a family therapist and his use of inner conversations and dual process thinking through case examples. Alongside this Peter talks a...

In this episode Julie and Sezer speak with the fantastic Eileen Murphy and Mawuli Amesu from the Eileen Murphy Consultants. They provide  consultancy, practitioners, and training in Solution Focused Brief Therapy.  They work with a wide range of people, groups and organisations such as local authorities and charities.  Eileen  leads the Consultancy and has, since 1993, devised specialist framework...