CLOC Talk

In this special CLOC Talk Live from CGI 2026 episode, leaders from Neota Logic and the CLOC Maturity Committee pull back the curtain on the highly anticipated CLOC Compass , a powerful new tool designed to help legal operations professionals measure, benchmark, and accelerate their maturity journey. Hear the story behind a vision that began as a simple spreadsheet and evolved into an interactive p...

In this thought-provoking episode of CLOC Talk , Oyango Snell and Mark Dean explore the intersection of neuroscience, legal operations, and AI adoption. The conversation examines how lawyers are trained to seek certainty and minimize risk, why that mindset can create barriers to innovation, and how legal professionals can reframe experimentation as a path to growth and better outcomes. Listeners w...

This episode of CLOC Talk Live from CGI 2026 features CLOC President & CEO Oyango Snell in conversation with Timo Karakashev , exploring the power of community, partnerships, and innovation in the legal industry. Together, they discuss how conferences like CGI create opportunities for connection, education, and business growth while expanding access to legal technology around the world. The co...

This wellness-focused podcast from the CLOC Global Institute 2026 guides listeners through a meditation practice centered on observing “feeling tones”—the positive, negative, or neutral emotions attached to thoughts. It emphasizes mindful awareness, encouraging participants to gently notice distractions, reconnect with their breath, and build self-awareness without judgment. Sponsored by Legal Fly...

This wellness podcast from the CLOC Global Institute 2026 guides listeners through a calming, sensory-based visualization meditation, inviting them to imagine a peaceful walk to the ocean. By engaging all five senses—sight, touch, sound, smell, and taste—the practice helps deepen relaxation, emotional awareness, and presence in the moment. Supported by Legal Fly , the session encourages listeners...

This wellness podcast from the CLOC Global Institute 2026 introduces a foundational breathwork meditation aligned with the theme “Stronger by Design,” emphasizing intentionality, presence, and the power of stillness. Listeners are guided to anchor their attention on the breath using a simple mantra, building awareness while gently releasing distractions without judgment. Supported by Legal Fly, th...

Host: Janessa Nelson Guest: Kunoor Chopra This episode of CLOC Talk features Janessa Nelson in conversation with Kunoor Chopra, exploring how legal departments can rethink the business of law through smarter use of technology, data, and global resources. The discussion highlights the shift from traditional, reactive legal models to more intentional, design-driven approaches that prioritize efficie...

In this episode of CLOC Talk, host Adam Becker sits down with Catrine Chevalier and Andrea Shaheen to explore how the Education Advisory Council (EAC) is redefining learning in legal operations. From building a global, collaborative learning ecosystem to navigating rapid innovation like GenAI, they share how education is becoming a strategic driver of credibility and career growth. The conversatio...

This Clock Talk episode features Lyndsay Van Benschoten, Director of Legal Operations at HCA Healthcare, discussing why legal operations transformation should be treated as a marathon rather than a sprint. Drawing on her experience running marathons across every continent, she explains the importance of pacing change, sequencing initiatives, and prioritizing long-term strategy over quick fixes. Li...

In Part 1 of this CLOC Talk series, host Janessa Nelson sits down with Education Advisory Council members LaResa Young, Matt Wheatley, and John Esposito to explore what inspired them to join the EAC and what excites them most about advancing legal operations education. From webinars and CGI to LMS innovation and global skill-building, the panel discusses how learning is evolving across the profess...

CLOC Talk continues its Clockwise: Year in Review & What’s Next series with a spotlight on Europe—highlighting 2025 as a year of intentional investment, partnerships, and community-building across the region. Host Oyango Snell is joined by Sean Houston, Head of Legal Operations at Heineken and a key leader in CLOC’s European strategy, to discuss the growth of legal ops across the Benelux and b...

In this special year-in-review episode of CLOC Talk , host Oyango Snell is joined by Australian legal ops leaders Anna Golovsky, Petra Sterling, and Matthew Duncan to reflect on the milestones, momentum, and lessons that shaped the Australian Legal Ops community in 2025—and to preview what’s ahead in 2026. Together, they explore how a “small but mighty” community is driving real impact through pra...

In this CLOC Talk: Clockwise Year in Review episode, host Oyango Snell is joined by German legal operations leaders Michael Thompson and Dr. Vera Roedel to reflect on the themes that defined legal ops in Germany in 2025 and what lies ahead in 2026. Drawing from regional listening sessions and community discussions, they explore why German legal teams prioritize practical, solution-oriented approac...

In this episode of CLOC Talk , Oyango Snell, Executive Director of CLOC, reflects on a transformative year for the legal operations community. He shares key accomplishments from 2025, including renewed member engagement, governance modernization, and expanded global reach. Oyango also explores the mindset shift happening across legal ops—from fighting for recognition to confidently leading at the...

This episode features an energizing conversation with Maria Pedroza and Gabrielle Silva , who share their journey building the CLOC Spain community and the importance of staying connected, curious, and collaborative in legal operations. They give us a preview of what's ahead for the chapter—including next year’s event—and discuss how regional leadership can shape global impact. Follow Maria, Gabri...

In this episode of Clock Talk , hosts Janessa Nelson and Nataly Kian sit down with Curtis Brewer, CEO of Litify, to explore how legal departments can transform their approach to spend and matter management. Curtis breaks down what it means to “move upstream from the invoice,” why it’s critical for modern legal ops, and how data, analytics, and AI are reshaping the future of the legal industry. Fro...

In this episode of Clock Talk , hosts Jeremiah Kincannon and Tanya Voda sit down with leadership and DEIB expert Reggie Butler for a thought-provoking conversation about belonging, connection, and humanity at work . The discussion explores: The role of curiosity and empathy in leadership How to foster a sense of belonging across teams and organizations The difference between scarcity and abundance...

In this episode, Irene Liu, former General Counsel turned Hypergrowth GC coach, joins the conversation to share her career journey from the DOJ and FTC to leadership roles at Blackberry, Lookout, Checker, and Hopin. Along the way, she took on finance responsibilities, giving her a unique perspective on how legal teams can demonstrate their value beyond traditional expectations.    The di...

In this special episode of CLOC Talk, we take you to the 2025 CGI mainstage with the recording of our Powerhouse Perspectives panel discussion. In this thought-provoking discussion, moderator Aine Lyons dive into challenges and opportunities AI presents for legal, with panelists Karen Gally, Eric Dodson Greenberg, and Casey Flaherty. They explore key insights from McKinsey and Deloitte reports, di...

Legal services are evolving fast, and AI is playing a major role in reshaping how teams work. In this episode, Mark Ross, Kami Paulsen, and Rich Levine join host, Jeremiah Kincannon , to break down the shifting landscape from the rise of multidisciplinary expertise to the practical impact of AI on workflows, compliance, and hiring. The discussion covers what legal teams need to do to stay competit...

Big changes don’t always require big budgets. In this episode, An Trotter, Senior Director of Operations at Hearst, joins hosts Jeremiah Kincannon and Janessa Nelson to share how legal teams can make impactful improvements by maximizing internal resources. From deploying e-signatures at no extra cost to building an in-house CLE program with creative solutions, An breaks down the strategies that he...

Legal operations don’t look the same everywhere, and in this episode, Flavia Furlan shares her firsthand experience navigating the field in Brazil. Moderated by Jeremiah Kincannon , with insights from Louisa Toy , the conversation explores the cultural and procedural differences between legal functions in Brazil and the U.S., the resourceful strategies teams use to drive innovation, and the power...

Steve Harmon went from doubter to champion in the legal ops world, and in this episode, he joins Jenn McCarron to reflect on a decade of transformation. From early skepticism to measurable success, Steve unpacks the key moments that shaped legal operations including hard lessons, hiring trends, and the influence of industry. They explore how the field grew from a scrappy group to a powerhouse and...

We all know egal operations is evolving fast, and AI is changing the game. In this episode, Greg Bennett joins hosts Jeremiah Kincannon and Janessa Nelson to share lessons learned from his career where he has helped rethink legal processes with bold, creative solutions. The conversation explores the importance of soft skills, strategic risk-taking, and the power of asking the right questions in a...

Legal departments are more than just support functions—they’re strategic powerhouses. In this episode, Eric Greenberg, General Counsel of Cox Media Group , joins co-hosts Jeremiah Kincannon and Janessa Nelson to explore how legal teams can drive company value, even in resource-constrained environments. The conversation covers negotiation tactics, policy strategies, and the role of empathy and soft...