Getting to know the music makers out on the fringes
Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman
On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com
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Jul 7, 2026
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Episode 149: Martin Bisi 07.07.2026 1:23:25
American recording engineer Martin Bisi started BC Studio in Gowanus, Brooklyn, New York City (originally as OAO Studio) with Bill Laswell and Brian Eno 45 years ago. Having worked with names like Afrika Bambaataa and Lydia Lunch, he was involved in the nascent days of both hip-hop and no wave. As an engineer and producer Martin is greatly respected and having worked extensively with underground l...
Episode 148: Tim Gotch (Sleepbomb) 30.06.2026 1:17:50
The first time Tim Gotch joined me (alongside bandmate Charlie Hernandez on episode 51 of Whatever Comes Next) Sleepbomb were poised to release The Sleeping Dead —a musical companion to George Romero’s Night of the Living Dead . Eighteen months later, with the cinematic-doom band, having released their follow-up record, Songs in the Key of Conan (Koolarrow Records) , an alternative score to the 19...
Episode 147: Dave Ramirez (Hypnolovewheel) 24.06.2026 53:29
The initial lifespan of New York City indie-rock group Hypnolovewheel lasted only from 1986 to 1993, but in that relatively short time the band released five albums—starting with 1988’s Turn! Turn! Turn! and culminating with Altered States in 1993. While the band’s fine body of work has been hard to get hold of in the digital age, the band recently got the rights back to their catalogue and now, h...
Episode 146 hackedepicciotto 19.06.2026 58:57
West Berliner Alexander Hacke and American-born Danielle de Picciotto both have no shortage of their own artistic and musical credits stretching back to the 1980s. While their collaborative paths have intersected over several different projects over the years, hackedepicciotto is the most enduring—with the duo’s 10th album LICHTUNG to be released on the 10th of July via Mute. A beautiful, otherwor...
Episode 145: Joe Cannon (Resurrectionists) 17.06.2026 1:05:04
Double EP (out this Friday on Seismic Wave Entertainment) brings together last year’s Anytime You Make A Place For Them and the previously-unreleased Ok, Let’s Play King (both on vinyl for the first time)—two EPs that showcase the distinctive charms of Milwaukee rock four-piece Resurrectionists. Joe Cannon has been leading the helm since the band’s formation in 2018 and we’re going to go through t...
Episode 144: TOOMS 12.06.2026 1:09:33
The members of Limerick, Ireland’s sludge metal band TOOMS have been making music together since before TOOMS was even a thing. Having started out together first as Gaia, bassist Anto Donnellan, drummer Kieran Grace and guitarist/vocalist Alex Hölzinger decided in 2017 the time had come to take the music into a new dimension and so TOOMS was born. Following their debut full-length album The Orb Of...
Episode 143: Bob Bert (Lydia Lunch, Sonic Youth, Pussy Galore) 09.06.2026 49:08
Bob Bert has been involved in too many projects over the years to squeeze them all into a 40minute interview, but by golly I’ve done my best. We are first of all here to discuss Beach Bongo Bloodbath , his solo debut, out this Friday on Bar/None Records (in the year of the label’s 40th anniversary). On top of discussing this quirky delight of a record we find the time to talk about Lydia Lunch, Jo...
Episode 142: Johnny Iguana (The Claudettes) 04.06.2026 1:40:54
Chicago Illinois’ The Claudettes have been through various transformations since their instrumental, two-piece origins of 2013’s Infernal Piano Plot…HATCHED! The most recent evolution has been the introduction of powerhouse singer Rachel Williams, who came in after the band parted ways with previous lead singer Berit Ulseth. Throughout every permutation punk-raised pianist Johnny Iguana has been l...
Episode 141: Caterwaul 2026 01.06.2026 1:07:47
Minneapolis, Minnesota’s Caterwaul celebrates its fifth year this coming weekend (the event being held from Friday 5th - Sunday 7th of June) and co-founder Conan Neutron is here to tell us all about it. What’s more, he’s brought a friend—Rye Coalition vocalist Ralph Cuseglio (whose band headline the Saturday. The event features no shortage of fan favourites from the alternative rock (aaaaagh I hat...
Episode 140: Nathan Carson (Point Line Plane) 28.05.2026 50:54
Twenty-plus years is a long break to have in almost any relationship. But while Nathan Carson and Joshua Blanchard (together known as Point Line Plane) originally called time on the musical project they formed together at the turn of the century back in 2005, the end of Point Line Plane did not mean the end of the friendship. Just as well, because when the stars aligned and SKiN GRAFT Records prop...
Episode 139: Marian Sarine (DEAFKIDS) 26.05.2026 1:00:21
Born of D-beat roots and punk spirit, Brazilian duo DEAFKIDS have been fusing noise, percussive rhythms and electronics for over 15 years. This Friday sees the release of the duo’s latest record CICATRIZES DO FUTURO on the great Neurot Recordings (the band’s first non-collaborative full-length release since 2019’s Metaprogramação ) Percussionist and bassist Marian Sarine joins me to discuss the du...
Episode 138: Ivan Pavlov (Soisong, CoH) 22.05.2026 52:06
The electronic/industrial underground is one of the most intriguing, magickal and mysterious realms in modern music. The mythologies surrounding groups like Throbbing Gristle, Psychic TV and Coil are rabbit holes easy to go tumbling down. The late Peter “Sleazy” Christopherson was (more or less) a founding member of all three bands mentioned above. He was also one half of experimental electronic g...
Episode 137: Ataraxia 19.05.2026 37:41
Italians Ataraxia are a band (or ensemble of artists, as they sometimes refer to themselves) with a long history. Core members Francesca Nicoli, Vittorio Vandelli and Giovanni Pagliari have been making music together for more than three decades and Sylfaera the Fair (released this Thursday on The Circle Music) is the band’s thirtieth album. The latest record is also the final part of a trilogy tha...
Episode 136: Requiem In White 13.05.2026 1:09:20
The Visible Heaven (out May 21st on The Circle Music) marks the first new music from Boston-formed, post-punk/gothic-rock band Requiem In White in over 30 years. Following the band’s split in the 90s, singer Lisa Stockton-Wilson and multi-instrumentalist/producer Doc Hammer first continued making music together as Mors Syphilitica before going on to pursue their own separate projects. In 2024 the...
Episode 135: Steve Austin (Today Is The Day) 05.05.2026 1:18:21
Marked Cards and Loaded Dice is the debut, solo country record of Today Is The Day frontman Steve Austin—which might be a strange sentence to read if you only know Austin through the extreme metal of the band he’s fronted since the early 90s. But the outlaw country and bluegrass influences run deep for Austin. This is the music he grew up with and so while this latest record is quite a departure f...
Episode 134: Leila Abdul-Rauf 28.04.2026 45:42
Earlier this month saw the release of Andros Insidium on 20 Buck Spin, the sixth album by Leila Abdul-Rauf under her own name. Metal fans may know Leila as the singer and guitarist for death-metal group Vastum (the band she has fronted since its formation in 2009), but she has been involved in a number of projects over the years, some very far from the realms of metal. According to Leila people of...
Episode 133: Anne Richmond Boston (The Swimming Pool Q's) 21.04.2026 1:03:17
Back in the late 70s Anne Richmond Boston was a part of a then up-and-coming, young new-wave band called The Swimming Pool Q’s—a band that would find a spiritual home alongside contemporaries like fellow Georgians The B-52s and R.E.M. In 2026 Boston is still (bar a few years when she had moved on from the band) playing shows as a member of the band. Indeed The Swimming Pool Q’s have some shows com...
Episode 132: Curran Reynolds (The Chain, Body Stuff) 14.04.2026 52:41
For the past 10 years Curran Reynolds has been one third of PR group The Chain, alongside Justin Pearson (Deaf Club, 3 One G) and Brandon Gallagher (Trace Amount). As with Justin and Brandon, Curran also makes music—on top of helping to represent artists navigating the music industry in his role at The Chain. This Sunday (April 19th) will see The Chain co-presenting an event to celebrate their 10...
Episode 131: HYPER GAL 07.04.2026 41:12
Osaka, Japan’s HYPER GAL are vocalist Koharu Ishida and drummer Kurumi Kadoya. The two have been making music together since 2019 and this Friday sees the release of their latest record together Our Hyper . As with the duo’s previous albums, Pure and After Image, Our Hyper will be released on SKiN GRAFT Records—with the album on vinyl and CD (as well as digitally) and with special editions of the...
Episode 130: Jarboe 31.03.2026 1:04:47
Since the mid-80s, Jarboe has been an important figure in the musical underground. While many will have first come to know her through her mesmerising performances as a member of Swans from 1985 to the band’s initial breakup in 1997, Jarboe has now been releasing music under her own name for roughly 35 years. 1991’s Thirteen Masks showcased her versatility as a singer and songwriter and with each...
Episode 129: Dan Hornsby (True Green) 24.03.2026 1:02:11
Writing a novel and writing a song are two quite different prospects. Dan Hornsby—author of Sucker and Via Negativa, as well as fronting indie-rock group True Green—is pretty well-versed in both. On this very day True Green release their second album HAIL DISASTER on Spacecase Records and Dan joins me to discuss his music, his writing and some of the stories that make their way into his art. In am...
Episode 128: Steve Instasi (Black Beach) 17.03.2026 41:49
Though post-punk unit Black Beach was officially born in 2012, Steve Instasi, bassist Ben Semeta and drummer Ryan Nicholson had already been playing together under different names. In fact, Ben and Steve have been playing together in various bands since Steve was 12. So Mail Thief (out this Friday on Best Brother Records) is certainly far from the trio’s first rodeo. But while the band already hav...
Episode 127: Claire Dickson 13.03.2026 49:48
Currently residing in Berlin, US-born Claire Dickson is no stranger to having the inspiration of a new environment seep its way into her music. While her debut, solo-record Starland was intriguingly, “Created on a boat in the Arctic Circle and her apartment in Brooklyn,” (where she lived at that time), Balance was born entirely out of the land. With her latest record released today (on New Amsterd...
Episode 126: Ben Vaughn 10.03.2026 51:31
Songwriter, performer, producer, sitcom-theme-tune writer, radio host, Ben Vaughn has many strings to his bow from decades working in the arts and entertainment world. Since January of this year, ‘podcast host’ can now be added to the list, as Vaughn (alongside co-host Laura Pochodylo) present “Straight From The Hat With Ben Vaughn”. On each episode of the show Pochodylo (a manager at Sun Records...
Episode 125: AIDS Wolf 03.03.2026 1:11:09
In 2012 Chloë Lum, Yannick Desranleau and Alex Moskos played their last shows together as AIDS Wolf. They took their gear down to La Brique studios in Montréal and with engineer Sébastien Fournier recorded their final four tracks together as AIDS Wolf. Fast forward 14 years and those tracks are finally seeing the light of day as Harsh Human Style , released this Friday on SKiN GRAFT Records. Why t...
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