Getting to know the music makers out on the fringes
Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman
On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com
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Jul 7, 2026
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Episode 124: Blunt Knife Castration 24.02.2026 59:10
Blunt Knife Castration is an extreme-metal project born out of a fascination with 70s/80s horror movies, a botched surgery and the shadow of the Covid pandemic. Blood & Oil, released this Friday on Remorseless Records is the third release from Simon Bryant under the Blunt Knife Castration name—Simon handling all the playing and recording, with the project being a solo venture up till now. Currentl...
Episode 123: Steve Mattos (THERE, Arab On Radar) 17.02.2026 1:08:07
First rising to prominence in underground circles with neo-no-wave group Arab On Radar in the mid-90s, guitarist Steve Mattos has been involved in a number of notable musical projects over the past three decades. Most recently Steve has been making music as part of THERE, a psychedelic, noise-rock four-piece based in Providence, Rhode Island, where Steve was born. Also featuring former members of...
Episode 122: Dan Volohov (Discipline PR) 11.02.2026 1:42:09
2026 marks the five-year anniversary of Discipline PR, the agency founded by former Ohm Resistance head of PR, Dan Volohov. Catering to musicians and bands across all genres, Dan and Discipline PR have been serving the underground, DIY music world with heart, enthusiasm and creativity since their inception in 2021. With Dan being so embedded in the musical underground it should be no surprise that...
Episode 121: Luxury Skin 04.02.2026 1:25:14
Luxury Skin is a musical creation both beautiful and dissonant, elegant and ominous. Last week saw the release of “Die Waiting”, the latest Luxury Skin single and a teaser for the as-yet unnamed follow-up to debut album It’s All Over from 2023. Juliet E. Gordon is the creator of this musical world and she joins me to discuss Luxury Skin and her former band The Classical, and share her insights on...
Episode 120: Stress Spells 28.01.2026 49:35
Jack Carino, Jillian Keats, Adam Kaniper, and Kevin Henson are no novices to the musical underground—having all been involved in various different projects. Together as Stress Spells the four create an intense, anxiety-inducing barrage of slicing, interweaving guitars, jerking grooves and impassioned vocals. Hearts Never Tire is the band’s debut full-length and will be released digitally and on vi...
Episode 119: Robert Deeble 20.01.2026 1:06:46
Never one for rushing his music, Robert Deeble’s latest record The Space Between Us follows up his last full length record Beloved from 2017. A lot has happened in the world since then. In his thoughtful, lyrical way Deeble reflects on the state of the world around him and its impact on human relationships. The Space Between Us is also a record that continues Deeble’s fascination with pulling from...
DIY Special: CODA 06.01.2026 46:25
Back in September 2025, with the help of Dave Brenner of Earsplit PR, I put together a special 100th episode of Whatever Comes Next with eight different guests (including Dave). For this episode, I wanted to dedicate more of the time with my guests to getting their takes and insights on the music business—as it is for independent artists (whether from the position of touring and recording artists,...
Episode 118: Howard Wuelfing 19.12.2025 1:16:16
Howard Wuelfing started making music, and writing about it in the 70s, first in New Jersey and subsequently Washington D.C. where he found himself in the midst of the burgeoning local underground scene of that time. Descenes and Discords: An Anthology (out now on DiWulf Publishing) presents complete facsimiles of two important fanzines that Wuelfing edited and wrote for during this key time in U.S...
Episode 117: Non Serviam 16.12.2025 58:13
The anonymous, Parisian duo of Void and Moon have been making wildly-creative, unclassifiable music together since 2021, though the history of the project goes back some years earlier. Over the past four years or so the duo have been remarkably prolific, putting out a series of releases as Non Serviam, Hiverlucide, Biollante and Néant—collaborating with various other artists along the way and blen...
Episode 116: Breaths 12.12.2025 53:47
Around five years ago multi-instrumentalist Jason Roberts started Breaths—a solo project that incorporates various styles and elements and can dramatically shift in sound from one release to the next. Keeping things simple, Jason refers to what he creates as “heavy music”, but listeners may hear traces of Deftones, Cult of Luna, desert rock and nu metal (just as a few examples). Violescent , the l...
Episode 115: Shane Embury (Dark Sky Burial, Napalm Death) 09.12.2025 1:02:12
Most well known as the long-standing bass player for grindcore pioneers Napalm Death, Shane Embury is a prolific artist whose fascination with experimental and underground music transcends any genre pigeonholing. Dark Sky Burial is a project Embury brought into being during the years of the Covid pandemic and one musically inspired by atmospheric, electronic acts like Coil and Dead Can Dance. Runn...
Episode 114: Guinevere Sylvain (Wyrmoon) 05.12.2025 50:41
Today marks the release of Wyrmoon II the second full-length album by Maine black metal group Wyrmoon. The band’s vocalist, guitarist, songwriter and founder Guinevere Sylvain joins me to discuss the record, songwriting, the band’s origins, stories from the road and music in the digital age. Closing track: “Sickle Knife Devotion” (Fiadh Productions, 2025) Thanks to Bariann at Fiadh Buy Wyrmoon II...
Episode 113: Rich Griffith (The Balboas) 03.12.2025 56:12
The story of The Balboas stretches back across several decades. It’s a story that intertwines with surf-guitar legend Dick Dale—while on the band’s latest record, Bite! Blood! Repeat! (out this Friday on Burn N’ Surf Records), the groups spiritual bond with the movies of Quentin Tarantino is even more firmly cemented with the feature of The 5678s (who appeared in Kill Bill). This latest record fea...
Episode 112: OvO 28.11.2025 57:27
Italian duo Bruno Dorella and Stefania Pedretti have been making avant-garde electro-rock music together as OvO for twenty five years. The electro-industrial Gemma is the pair’s latest album (out now on Artoffact Records). Bruno and Stefania join me to discuss the record, magic, ritual, growing up in Italy, their time living and performing in squats and their thoughts on the digital age in music....
Episode 111: Mellowdeath 26.11.2025 52:43
Dark, instrumental, jazz-rock duo Mellowdeath are Sara Neidorf and Isabel Merten. Sara and Isabel join me to discuss their debut, self-titled album (out now on Cruel Nature Records), the origins of the band, the visuals and artwork, playing live, the realities of touring and their plans for 2026. Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PR Album art by Chloe Grove Buy the album: digital cassette Follow Mell...
Episode 110: Bill Dickson (Rousers) 21.11.2025 52:40
In 1979 singer Jeff Buckland, rhythm guitarist Bill Dickson, bassist John Hannah, lead guitarist Tom Milmore, and drummer Jerid O’Connell entered a recording studio for a session overseen by Ed Stasium (producer and engineer for bands like Talking Heads and Motörhead) and recorded a great set of rock n’ roll songs. Surely fame and fortune was right around the corner? Except that recording session...
Episode 109: Martin Atkins (PiL, Killing Joke, Pigface) 18.11.2025 59:24
Having been a member of iconic post-punk and industrial bands like PiL, Killing Joke and Pigface, while also playing for NIN and Ministry (just to mention a few notable names), it wouldn’t be hyperbole to call Martin Atkins a living legend of underground music... so let’s do that. This November 28th and 29th will see Reggies, Chicago host ‘Martin Atkins Presents: Killing Joke’s Extremities’ where...
Episode 108: Veilburner 11.11.2025 1:00:00
I’ve been an avid follower of all things Veilburner ever since I first became aware of the extreme-metal duo around the time of their 2019 release A Sire to the Ghouls of Lunacy . That was album number four and now as Mephisto Deleterio and Chrisom Infernium (or Dave and Chris as they are without the masks) join me for the second time on Whatever Comes Next (the first time being episode 42) we are...
Episode 107: Ailise Blake 04.11.2025 56:43
Ailise Blake makes music that’s hard to categorise, but grabbed me from the moment I put on her latest record Soave (out this Friday on These Hands Melt). Interconnected with her practices in ceremonial magick, Soave is a highly evocative and atmospheric record, built around voice and guitar, but filled with a range of other instrumentation, to dark, dreamy and beguiling effect. Ali and I discuss...
Episode 106: Urlo (THE MON, Ufomammut) 28.10.2025 45:53
THE MON is the solo project of Urlo—bassist, vocalist and synth player of heavy psychedelic rock band Ufomammut, as well as being a core part of Supernatural Cat and Malleus. Songs of Abandon (out on the 7th of November on Supernatural Cat and the first in a two part concept to be followed by Songs of Embrace in 2026) is the latest record from THE MON and one with an unusual story—as well as being...
Episode 105: Chris Pervelis (Internal Bleeding) 21.10.2025 52:29
Since forming the band in the early 90s guitarist Chris Pervelis has remained consistent in his vision for the hard-hitting death metal unit Internal Bleeding. Through the years the band have had creative highs, numerous line-up changes, and survived tragedy and shady business dealings. Out of all of this comes the band’s latest record Settle All Scores (out now on Maggot Stomp) with Internal Blee...
Clément Duboscq (Vous Connaissez ? PR) 14.10.2025 49:43
Five years ago life-long music devotee Clément Duboscq decided to take some of his experience as a music writer and musician and start his own micro-agency Vous Connaissez ? PR, representing bands and artists in France and further afield. Not so long after Clément’s move into music PR, he and I worked together on the Non Serviam/ Gobscrew collaboration Biollante and their album J’Espère Que Tu D...
Episode 103: Gridfailure 10.10.2025 58:03
Gridfailure is Dave Brenner, but just as it’s hard to put a simple genre tag on this music that combines noise, jazz, folk and numerous other elements, the creative inputs that feed one Gridfailure release or another can be manifold. On the project’s latest release Sixth Mass-Extinction Skulduggery III (out now on Nefarious Industries) Brenner brings in a host of collaborators, including Today Is...
Episode 102: -ii- [Two Eyes] 07.10.2025 51:11
At it’s core -ii- [Two Eyes] is Hélène Ruzic and Benjamin Racine. Since 2018 the duo have been crafting their unique, dark blend of industrial, shoegaze, alternative, ritualistic music. Complemented on their latest album Apostles of the Flesh by Maxime Keller (bass, synths, prepared piano) and David L’Huillier (drums, percussions), Hélène and Benjamin join me to discuss the album, their music, the...
Episode 101: Yowie 03.10.2025 50:08
What is Yowie? The simple answer is that they’re an instrumental three-piece of drums and two guitars. Once you start trying to describe the music however, this is where the fun starts. My characterisation of listening to Taking Umbrage (the band’s new album, out today on SKiN GRAFT Records) is that it’s like the world has turned into Play-Doh and it’s swirling in a whirlpool that’s being fed thro...
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