Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon

Science In-Between

This is a conversation about how science teaching can move between and connect different worlds.

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Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon

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Education

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Jul 8, 2026

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Episodes

Episode 204: The Lark Owl Connection 31.07.2024

This week we talk about teaching climate and climate changes in the context of a new book from Mark Widschitl (lead author of the Ambitious Science Teaching book). Things that bring us joy this week: Teaching Climate Change: Fostering Understanding, Resilience, and a Commitment to Justice by Mark Windschitl The Plinko Bounce by Martin Clark Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 203: Induction Junction, What's Your Function? 24.07.2024

In this episode, we discuss mentoring and induction of new science teachers. Things that bring us joy this week: Free Library of Philadelphia International Futbol Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 202: Who is Your Tribe? 17.07.2024

This week we talk about how truth is tribal and social, and so social death is scarier than physical death and why that matters for teaching and learning. Things that bring us joy this week: Bright Future by Adrianne Lanker Wilco (maybe specifically Kicking Television: Live in Chicago ) Cut Worms Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 201: Not Changing Buses 10.07.2024

In this episode, we discuss the sticky subject of transfer in education. Things that bring us joy this week: Taskmaster Remarkably Bright Creatures by Shelby Van Pelt Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 200: Talking with Your Dog About Gravity 03.07.2024

This week we dig into the differences between cognitive and sociocultural perspectives on learning and how they characterize not just different ways of learning, but of knowing. Things that bring us joy this week: Midnight Run Heaven and Earth Grocery Store by James McBride Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 199: Two Beefs from Ollie 26.06.2024

In this episode, we discuss some of the issues we have with the current discourse around AI in education. Things that bring us joy this week: Slow Burn podcast - Season 9 Serial podcast - Season 4 Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 198: Epistemic Extinguishing Event 20.06.2024

This week we talk about the fundamental mismatch between different ways of what it means to know something impacts everything about school (and everything else). Things that bring us joy this week: Dark Matter by Blake Crouch Fantastic Cat Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 197: Secret Sauce and Conference Chicken 12.06.2024

In this episode, we chat with Dr. April Luehmann, Associate Professor in the Warner School of Education at the University of Rochester. We discuss April's recent article, Toward a justice-centered ambitious teaching framework: Shaping ambitious science teaching to be culturally sustaining and productive in a rural context , which appeared in the Journal of Research in Science Teaching. Things that...

Episode 196: AI Old Man Noises 05.06.2024

This week we have a wide ranging (even for us) conversation about Artificial Intelligence (AI). Things that bring us joy this week: Ken Burns' Commencement Speech a Brandeis (2024) Grilling / Griddles for a Grill Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 195: Hypothetical Ollie 29.05.2024

In this episode, we discuss whether scientists (and others) are inventors or discoverers. The conversation is a result of a recent post to Seth's Blog . Things that bring us joy this week: The Trees by Percival Everett The Big Door Prize on Apple TV+ Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 194: Esperanto of Residue 22.05.2024

This week we talk about the concept of learning residue in both virtual and physical learning spaces. Things that bring us joy this week: Fabbri Amarena Wild Cherries Stan Smith Shoes Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 193: The Progress of Learning Progressions 15.05.2024

In this episode, we discuss one of the most cited articles from the Journal of Research in Science Teaching: Schwarz, C. V., Reiser, B. J., Davis, E. A., Kenyon, L., Achér, A., Fortus, D., Scwartz, Y., Hug, B., & Krajcik, J. (2009). Developing a learning progression for scientific modeling: Making scientific modeling accessible and meaningful for learners. Journal of Research in Science Teachi...

Episode 192: Start with the Kid 08.05.2024

This week we talk about special education, students identified with special needs, and how we can support them in ambitious and equitable science teaching classrooms. Things that bring us joy this week: Graduations One Love Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 191: Albert Einstein... You're wrong! 01.05.2024

In this episode, we discuss how the words we use to describe students' ideas matter. Things that bring us joy this week: Elements of Architecture by Rem Koolhaas Slow Horses on Apple TV+ Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 190: A Litany of Vague Expectations 24.04.2024

This week we talk about time management, work/life balance, and what it all means for teaching, learning and research. Things that bring us joy this week: Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals by Oliver Burkeman [End of Story](End of Story) by A.J. Finn Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 189: Wait a Minute, Mr. Postman 17.04.2024

In this episode, we discuss a chapter from the book Exploring New Horizons: Generative Artificial Intelligence and Teacher Education (Searson et al, 2024). The chapter references Neil Postman's 1998 speech titled Five Things We Need to Know About Technological Change . Things that bring us joy this week: Go As A River by Shelley Read Doctoral students that develop as scholars (Being a proud papa)...

Episode 188: Might Be a Two-Headed Elephant 10.04.2024

This week we talk about how preparing teachers to teach science is challenged by a lack of coherence and curriculum. Things that bring us joy this week: Pittsburgh Pirates Total Solar Eclipse of 2024 Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 187: Enthusiasm and Obfuscation 03.04.2024

In this episode, we discuss leading professional development to support ongoing changes in teachers' thinking. Things that bring us joy this week: Everyone on this Train is a Suspect Articles of Interest Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 186: Blinded Feedback 27.03.2024

This week we talk about peer review and how important it is for science and science education. Things that bring us joy this week: Good food delivery Abstract: The Art of Design Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 185: The Great Divide 20.03.2024

In this episode, we discuss the US Department of Education's 2024 National Educational Technology Plan. The plan can be accessed at: https://tech.ed.gov/netp/ Things that bring us joy this week: Kids of Rutherford County podcast Martyr by Kaveh Akbar Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 184: Don't Get Stuck in the Noun 13.03.2024

This week we are talking about practice (not the Allen Iverson version). We want to dig in a little deeper into why we care so much about practice and how it is different to other ways of characterizing science activity like inquiry, lab skills, or the scientific method. Things that bring us joy this week: Search Engine Podcast One Day on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Bl...

Episode 183: We Do Not Like Them Anywhere 06.03.2024

In this episode, we discuss educational words, concepts and practices that we hate. Things that bring us joy this week: Anatomy of a Fall Erasure by Percival Everett Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 182: My Manatee Teacher 28.02.2024

This week we talk about an article about transparence and invisibility that Scott wrote, Ollie was a participant in the research underlying the article and neither of our manatee brains remembers it. McDonald, S. P. (2016). The Transparent and the Invisible in Professional Pedagogical Vision for Science Teaching. School Science & Mathematics, 116(2), 95–103. https://doi.org/10.1111/ssm.12156 T...

Episode 181: Talking about a Recognition 21.02.2024

In this episode, we discuss the article from the Journal of Research of Science Teaching (JRST) which is been cited the most over the last three years: Carlone, H. B., & Johnson, A. (2007). Understanding the science experiences of successful women of color: Science identity as an analytic lens. Journal of Research in Science Teaching, 44(8), 1187-1218. Things that bring us joy this week: Poor...

Episode 180: A Bucket Full of Lists 14.02.2024

This week we talk about leadership, mostly in K-12 schools, but also a bit in higher education. Things that bring us joy this week: American Fiction Fugitive Pedagogy: Carter G. Woodson and the Art of Black Teaching by Jarvis R. Givens Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

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