Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon
Science In-Between
This is a conversation about how science teaching can move between and connect different worlds.
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Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
Episode 79: Framing the Framework 02.03.2022 43:51
In this episode, Ollie and Scott discuss the big ideas and shifts in the NRC's A Framework for K-12 Science Education: Practices, Crosscutting Concepts, and Core Ideas (2012). Things that bring us joy this week: Creating Wicked Students by Paul Handstedt Jackass Forever Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 78: Talkin' Bout Practice! 23.02.2022 40:55
In this episode, Ollie and Scott discuss the science and engineering practices in the NRC's A Framework for K-12 Science Education: Practices, Crosscutting Concepts, and Core Ideas (2012). Things that bring us joy this week: Olympics Games Trojan Horse Affair Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 77: A Shared Dislike 16.02.2022 47:16
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss one of teachers' favorite topics: classroom management. In our discussion, we challenge the traditional conceptualization and offer ways to reframe the concept in more student-centered and relational ways. In our discussion, Ollie references the Science of Happiness podcast and an episode where a specific meditation practice is outlined. If you're intereste...
Episode 76: Not a Numbered List Show 09.02.2022 41:17
Science Book We Love: Scott's Picks: Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman: Adventures of a Curious Character by Richard P. Feynman The Song of the Dodo: Island Biogeography in an Age of Extinctions by David Quammen The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat and Other Clinical Tales by Oliver Sacks (also Awakenings ) Weapons of Math Destruction: How Big Data Increases Inequality and Threatens Democracy by...
Episode 75: Monkey Business in the Metaverse 02.02.2022 45:55
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss learning progressions for science teacher professional development. In our discussion, we draw heavily on the article titled Proposing a core set of instructional practices and tools for teachers of science (Windschitl et al, 2012). If you're under 30 and want to know what the game Barrel of Monkeys is, check out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_of_Mon...
Episode 74: Believable or Accurate (To Some Degree) 26.01.2022 35:42
Ollie's Picks: Hidden Figures Inherit the Wind Fat Man and Little Boy The Martian Apollo 13 Scott's Picks: Interstellar The Andromeda Strain Primer Arrival Close Encounters of the Third Kind Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 73: A Meta Effort 19.01.2022 42:15
This week, Scott and Ollie unpack their thoughts about teacher professional development and how sensemaking can be used as a tool to promote sensemaking as an instructional practice. For more information, check out NSTA's sensemaking site . Things that bring us joy this week: Radio Lab's Mixtape project Merlin Mann's Wisdom Project Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 72: At the Very End of the Long Tail 13.01.2022 41:45
C2AST - Cultural and Critical Ambitious Science Teaching in the Science Teacher - Thompson, Mawyer, Johnson, and Luehmann. NGSS Appendix D NSTA Equity Centered Sensemaking Things that bring us joy this week: Butterhorns [Not MY Grandmothers recipe, but close] 1971 - The Year that Music Changed Everything on Apple TV+ Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 71: Lessons Learned for 2022 05.01.2022 47:49
In this episode, Scott and Ollie look back at 2021 and what we've learned that we can apply to the new year ahead. In our discussion, we review some of the challenges from the year with the hope of seeing them as lessons for a better 2022. Things that bring us joy this week: Nobody movie Spiderman: No Way Home movie Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 70: Stealing Student Agency 29.12.2021 42:52
Fact Check: Hanna-Barbera , Sid & Marty Krofft Things that bring us joy this week: Christmas Lights Movies (Maybe Oscar Nominees?) - Power of the Dog , The Unforgivable , Passing , Bruised . Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 69: Agency All The Way Down 22.12.2021 45:04
In this episode, Scott and Ollie answer the question "Why are we still doing that?" We look at K-12 science classrooms and identify practices and habits that the educational community continues to do, despite reforms and evidence that suggest otherwise. Things that bring us joy this week: The 8 Blog Westworld Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 68: To Express, Not To Know 15.12.2021 49:14
Special Guest: Dr. Leslie Gates , Associate Professor of Art Education, Millersville University Personal Website Papermaking Art 21 Things that bring us joy this week: Dori's Cookies by Dori Greenspan - In particular, Macrons (Homemade) Cactus Blooms Leftovers Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind Special Guest: Leslie Gates.
Episode 67: Finding Fish That Don't Exist 08.12.2021 52:51
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss the world of educational research and "what counts." The discussion was prompted by a conference panel discussion that Ollie participated in where the work of Robert Slavin was commemorated. In the episode, we discuss Slavin's work and the What Works Clearinghouse as well as work by John Hattie . Things that bring us joy this week: Group Tabs in Safari Five...
Episode 66: Montillating Our Traxoline 01.12.2021 47:16
Montillation of Traxoline Things that bring us joy this week: OECD Schooling During a Pandemic: The Experience and Outcomes of Schoolchildren During the First Round of COVID-19 Lockdowns APA Historical Chronology: Examining psychology’s contributions to the belief in racial hierarchy and perpetuation of inequality for people of color in U.S. Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 65: Not Bob's Traveling Show 24.11.2021 41:30
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss different features of substantive and impactful professional development for teachers. Things that bring us joy this week: What happened Ms. Simone? on Netflix Throughline : The Deep History of Dune Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 64: Surrounded by Smarter Friends 17.11.2021 54:11
Committee of Ten Physics First Things that bring us joy this week: Saga by Brian K. Vaughn and Fiona Staples How to Change: The Science of Getting from Where You Are to Where You Want to Be by Katy Milkman Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 63: Total Dumbness and Horoscopes 10.11.2021 52:05
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss the standardization movement and why schools and disciplines have content standards. NRC Framework for K-12 Science Education Next Generation Science Standards National Science Education Standards Inquiry and the National Science Education Standards Pennsylvania State Science, Technology, Environment, and Ecology Standards Things that bring us joy this week...
Episode 62: Free as in Beer (not as in Speech) 03.11.2021 52:46
Open Educational Resources (OER) Linux Wikipedia Public Domain Public Domain Day Lawrence Lessig and Creative Commons Wisdom of Crowds C. Lee Giles and Cite Seer X OER Commons Open SCIED Things that bring us joy this week: Book Stores (in Scott's case: Webster's Bookstore and Cafe , State College, PA) Sex Education on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 61: From Curb Cuts to Classrooms 27.10.2021 43:02
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss Universal Design for Learning (UDL) and how it can help to make learning more inclusive. Built on the concepts of "Universal Design" in architecture, UDL focuses on a series of practices that can inform our design of learning environments, resources and assessments. Universal Design for Learning Things that bring us joy this week: Michigander Harry Styles I...
Episode 60: This IS What The People Come For 20.10.2021 48:23
We take a break from the talk about inclusive practices for an episode to talk about what we like and what we hate about conferencing. Things that bring us joy this week: The Dresden Files Novels by Jim Butcher Squid Game on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 59: Pocket Full of Questions 13.10.2021 47:31
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss pressing for evidence-based explanations. As the final set of practices in Ambitious Science Teaching, this phase involves helping students construct a final, evidence-based explanatory model for the phenomenon. As we discuss this practice, we also talk more generally about the powerful impact of asking good questions and how we support new teachers' develo...
Episode 58: Not The Nonsense You Came For 06.10.2021 44:30
Ambitious Science Teaching Supporting On-Going Thinking Practices Things that bring us joy this week: Reservation Dogs on FX via Hulu After Life on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 57: Not Scott's Age. Or Episode 56 29.09.2021 44:29
In this episode (which is actually episode 57), we dig further into inclusive practices and discuss the second phase of Ambitious Science Teaching (AST): eliciting student ideas. Things that bring us joy this week: Spanish Model by Elvis Costello Lift Hydrofoil Surfboard Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 56: The Big Umbrella 22.09.2021 42:10
Ambitious Science Teaching Universal Design for Learning Open Educational Resources Things that bring us joy this week: Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings Wild by Cheryl Strayed Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 55: Good Things Come in Threes 15.09.2021 47:22
In this final episode in our "teacher education trilogy," Scott and Ollie discuss the current preparation programs at their institutions and how their design was informed by research. Things that bring us joy this week: Marvel's What if...? on Disney + Longwood Gardens Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
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