Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon
Science In-Between
This is a conversation about how science teaching can move between and connect different worlds.
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Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
Episode 54: My Minion, Not My Lackey 08.09.2021 42:36
Invisible College Professional Development Schools The Nine Essentials edTPA Things that bring us joy this week: Live Music - Green Day , Weezer , and Fall Out Boy Maintenance Phase Podcast Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 53: Ten Thousand Hours Ago 02.09.2021 51:25
In this episode, Scott and Ollie share their experiences with their teacher education programs and their mentors. Since many universities are starting their fall semesters, it prompted Scott & Ollie to talk about their education and preparation as science teachers. During their discussion, they bring up the concept of "Ten Thousand Hours" which was discussed in Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers...
Episode 52: Joy to the World 25.08.2021 57:01
Things that bring us joy this week: Podcast Back to Work / Reconsiliable Differences / Roderick on the Line (Podcasts in the Merlin Mann (iverse) Phase Zero Podcast Smartphone App Duolingo Ten Percent Happier Streamable Series Ted Lasso on Apple TV+ Letterkenny on Hulu Movie Sound of Metal The Old Guard Book - Entertainment Deadly Education My Grandmother Asked Me to Tell You She's Sorry by Fredri...
Episode 51: Harumph! 17.08.2021 52:14
In the penultimate episode of season 1, we dig deeper into phenomenon-based teaching and what it would look like in classroom settings. In our discussion, we introduce the book Fish is Fish by Leo Lionni as a way to highlight how people react when presented with radically new ideas. You can check out the book at: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/101915/fish-is-fish-by-leo-lionni/ Things th...
Episode 50: Mahna Mahna Do Do Do Do Do 13.08.2021 56:11
Albert Bandura Phenomena by the Muppets The tanker lesson on AST website . Bill and Ted Meet Socrates Things that bring us joy this week: Great Pottery Throwdown on HBO Max Olympics - 3 on 3 Basketball Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 49: Not about Pornography, Eugenics or Psychopathy 04.08.2021 52:09
In this episode, we finish up our discussion of pedagogical content knowledge and examine the larger impacts (and unintended consequences) of measuring things. Along the way, we discuss several books and podcasts including: Weapons of Math Destruction by Cathy O'Neil Algorithms of Oppression by Safiya Umoja Noble The Psychopath Test on This American Life Things that bring us joy this week: Ted Las...
Episode 48: Haters Have Got to Hate (or Do They?) 28.07.2021 52:54
Spawn I Care a Lot Pedagogical Content Knowledge Lee Shulman's seminal 1986 article, Those Who Understand: Knowledge Growth in Teaching . "Whatever exists at all exists in some amount. To know it thoroughly involves knowing its quantity as well as its quality." - Edward L. Thorndike. (1918). The nature, purposes, and general methods of measurements of educational products. Chapter II in G.M. Whipp...
Episode 47: Scott's Swear Jar 21.07.2021 50:04
In this episode, we discuss Lee Shulman's seminal 1986 article, Those Who Understand: Knowledge Growth in Teaching . The article introduced the concept of Pedagogical Content Knowledge (PCK) and we discuss the broader impacts of the concept on the field of education. Things that bring us joy this week: Black Widow on Disney+ Peaky Blinders on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legall...
Episode 46: Not All Friends of the Show 14.07.2021 40:00
Things that bring us joy this week: A Deadly Education by Naomi Novik Electric Townie Bikes Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind Production assistance by Enzo Dreon
Episode 45: Our Mid-Life Crisis Episode 07.07.2021 50:04
In this week's episode, we discuss the research on learning progressions in science education by examining two articles. The first article is from Hammer & Sikorski (2015) which examines the implications of complexity for research on learning progressions. The second article outlines a way that learning progressions can be used as a tool for curriculum development. References: Hammer, D., &...
Episode 44: We are not the Borg 30.06.2021 53:59
In this week's episode, we discuss Posner, Strike, Hewson, and Getzog's paper on conceptual change and the theory's impact on science education. Posner, G. J., Strike, K. A., Hewson, P. W., & Gertzog, W. A. (1982). Accommodation of a scientific conception: Toward a theory of conceptual change. Science education, 66(2), 211-227. As we discuss the article, we also mention the 1987 movie A Privat...
Episode 43: Heroes, Villians, and Apprentices 23.06.2021 52:05
In this week's episode, we continue our examination of different learning theories and theorists and dig into Situated Learning: Legitimate Peripheral Participation by Lave and Wenger. The book examines how different cultures and professions enculturate newcomers into their communities of practice. Things that bring us joy this week: Japanese Breakfast - Be Sweet Mare of Easttown Check out Saturda...
Episode 42: Confronting Your Own IRE 16.06.2021 47:03
This week we talk about Jay Lemke's book about how students and teachers talk science in classrooms. In particular, how he identified issues of power and control by teachers as well as a way to analyze classroom talk as a way to understand learning. Talking Science: Language, Learning, and Values by Jay Lemke Initiate/Respond/Evaluate (IRE) pattern of classroom talk - Sinclair, J. M., Sinclair, J....
Episode 41: All the Hammers 09.06.2021 49:27
In this episode, we continue our learning theory conversation by digging into the seminal article by Brown, Collins and Duguid that popularized the term "cognitive apprenticeship." Brown, J. S., Collins, A., & Duguid, P. (1989). Situated Cognition and the Culture of Learning. Educational Researcher, 18(1), 32–42. Midway through the episode, Scott discusses MC Hammer involvement in a recent dis...
Episode 40: Happy Dewey Day 02.06.2021 47:13
We begin a conversation about learning theory with the great John Dewey. Things that bring us joy this week: Slow Burn Podcast from Slate The Metaphysical Club by Louis Menand Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind Production assistance by Enzo Dreon
Episode 39: Transitions and Manifestations 26.05.2021 37:56
In this episode, we transition from our discussion on design principles and learning spaces and into an examination of different learning theories that have impacted our work and the way we see the world. Things that bring us joy this week: Lupin on Netflix Middleditch and Schwartz on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind Production assistance by Enzo Dreon
Episode 38: Tools are Embedded in Practice 19.05.2021 39:21
Things that bring us joy this week: Falcon and the Winter Soldier on Disney + Invincible on Comixology and Amazon Prime Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind Production assistance by Enzo Dreon
Episode 37: Self Deprecating but Accurate 12.05.2021 41:51
In this episode, we continue our exploration of design principles for learning spaces and introduce our third design principle: learning spaces should have a changeable center. Things that bring us joy this week: Mr. Miracle Sunny Rowing Machine Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind Production assistance by Enzo Dreon
Episode 36: Architecturally Agnostic 05.05.2021 39:24
Cinco de Mayo Things that bring us joy this week: Nomadland Wooden Boats: In Pursuit of the Perfect Craft at an American Boatyard by Michael Ruhlman Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind Production assistance by Enzo Dreon
Episode 35: Not Messing Around On the Fringes 28.04.2021 45:47
In episode 35, we start our dive into design principles that can inform the creation and use of learning environments. While this will be the start of a several episode arc where we discuss different design principle, in this episode, we discuss why design principles are important and what we mean when we use the term "learning spaces." In our introduction, we discuss "disciplined improvisation" a...
Episode 34: The Prime Directive(s) on a Napkin 21.04.2021 41:03
Teaching Naked: How Moving Technology Out of Your College Classroom Will Improve Student Learning by José Antonio Bowen Never Send a Human to do a Machine's Job by Yong Zhao Things that bring us joy this week: Beartown on HBO Max What I talk about when I talk about running by Haruki Murakami Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind Production assistance by Enzo Dreon
Episode 33: Stupid things... And we love them. 14.04.2021 47:51
This week, we discuss the things that we learned from the pandemic and the things we hope get carried forward. Or not. In one section, we share a quote from Dr. Teresa Thayer Snyder, a retired superintendent from upstate New York. Dr. Snyder writes: " When the children return to school, they will have returned with a new history that we will need to help them identify and make sense of. When the c...
Episode 32: Three Claps for the Big Dog 07.04.2021 47:58
In the final episode on our series on the Cross Cutting Concepts, we examine Energy and Matter. Next Generation Science Standards Cross Cutting Concepts (pdf download) Energy and Matter Grade Level Progression Research on Drawings of Energy Discussion Prompts Teaching Energy Across the Sciences, K-12 from NSTA Press Systems, transfer, and fields: Evaluating a new approach to energy instruction Thi...
Episode 31: Introducing the Rapper Izzy New 31.03.2021 50:27
In the penultimate episode on our series on the Cross Cutting Concepts, we examine Systems and Systems Modeling. Next Generation Science Standards Cross Cutting Concepts (pdf download) Systems Graphic Organizer from Bozeman Science Looking for prompts to talk about systems and systems modeling in your class, check out: http://stemteachingtools.org/assets/landscapes/STEM-Teaching-Tool-41-Cross-Cutt...
Episode 30: Not FULL of Dad Jokes 24.03.2021 37:55
Next Generation Science Standards Cross Cutting Concepts (pdf download) Cross Cutting Prompts Perplexity - John Dewey Things that bring us joy this week: Letterkenny on Netflix Meeting the Universe Halfway by Karen Barad Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind Production assistance by Enzo Dreon
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