Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon
Science In-Between
This is a conversation about how science teaching can move between and connect different worlds.
Be sure to visit the podcast's website and support the creator: scienceinbetween.fireside.fm
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Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon
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Oct 21, 2026
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Episodes
Episode 69: Agency All The Way Down 22.12.2021 45:04
In this episode, Scott and Ollie answer the question "Why are we still doing that?" We look at K-12 science classrooms and identify practices and habits that the educational community continues to do, despite reforms and evidence that suggest otherwise. Things that bring us joy this week: The 8 Blog Westworld Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 68: To Express, Not To Know 15.12.2021 49:14
Special Guest: Dr. Leslie Gates , Associate Professor of Art Education, Millersville University Personal Website Papermaking Art 21 Things that bring us joy this week: Dori's Cookies by Dori Greenspan - In particular, Macrons (Homemade) Cactus Blooms Leftovers Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind Special Guest: Leslie Gates.
Episode 67: Finding Fish That Don't Exist 08.12.2021 52:51
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss the world of educational research and "what counts." The discussion was prompted by a conference panel discussion that Ollie participated in where the work of Robert Slavin was commemorated. In the episode, we discuss Slavin's work and the What Works Clearinghouse as well as work by John Hattie . Things that bring us joy this week: Group Tabs in Safari Five...
Episode 66: Montillating Our Traxoline 01.12.2021 47:16
Montillation of Traxoline Things that bring us joy this week: OECD Schooling During a Pandemic: The Experience and Outcomes of Schoolchildren During the First Round of COVID-19 Lockdowns APA Historical Chronology: Examining psychology’s contributions to the belief in racial hierarchy and perpetuation of inequality for people of color in U.S. Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 65: Not Bob's Traveling Show 24.11.2021 41:30
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss different features of substantive and impactful professional development for teachers. Things that bring us joy this week: What happened Ms. Simone? on Netflix Throughline : The Deep History of Dune Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 64: Surrounded by Smarter Friends 17.11.2021 54:11
Committee of Ten Physics First Things that bring us joy this week: Saga by Brian K. Vaughn and Fiona Staples How to Change: The Science of Getting from Where You Are to Where You Want to Be by Katy Milkman Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 63: Total Dumbness and Horoscopes 10.11.2021 52:05
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss the standardization movement and why schools and disciplines have content standards. NRC Framework for K-12 Science Education Next Generation Science Standards National Science Education Standards Inquiry and the National Science Education Standards Pennsylvania State Science, Technology, Environment, and Ecology Standards Things that bring us joy this week...
Episode 62: Free as in Beer (not as in Speech) 03.11.2021 52:46
Open Educational Resources (OER) Linux Wikipedia Public Domain Public Domain Day Lawrence Lessig and Creative Commons Wisdom of Crowds C. Lee Giles and Cite Seer X OER Commons Open SCIED Things that bring us joy this week: Book Stores (in Scott's case: Webster's Bookstore and Cafe , State College, PA) Sex Education on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 61: From Curb Cuts to Classrooms 27.10.2021 43:02
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss Universal Design for Learning (UDL) and how it can help to make learning more inclusive. Built on the concepts of "Universal Design" in architecture, UDL focuses on a series of practices that can inform our design of learning environments, resources and assessments. Universal Design for Learning Things that bring us joy this week: Michigander Harry Styles I...
Episode 60: This IS What The People Come For 20.10.2021 48:23
We take a break from the talk about inclusive practices for an episode to talk about what we like and what we hate about conferencing. Things that bring us joy this week: The Dresden Files Novels by Jim Butcher Squid Game on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 59: Pocket Full of Questions 13.10.2021 47:31
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss pressing for evidence-based explanations. As the final set of practices in Ambitious Science Teaching, this phase involves helping students construct a final, evidence-based explanatory model for the phenomenon. As we discuss this practice, we also talk more generally about the powerful impact of asking good questions and how we support new teachers' develo...
Episode 58: Not The Nonsense You Came For 06.10.2021 44:30
Ambitious Science Teaching Supporting On-Going Thinking Practices Things that bring us joy this week: Reservation Dogs on FX via Hulu After Life on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 57: Not Scott's Age. Or Episode 56 29.09.2021 44:29
In this episode (which is actually episode 57), we dig further into inclusive practices and discuss the second phase of Ambitious Science Teaching (AST): eliciting student ideas. Things that bring us joy this week: Spanish Model by Elvis Costello Lift Hydrofoil Surfboard Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 56: The Big Umbrella 22.09.2021 42:10
Ambitious Science Teaching Universal Design for Learning Open Educational Resources Things that bring us joy this week: Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings Wild by Cheryl Strayed Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 55: Good Things Come in Threes 15.09.2021 47:22
In this final episode in our "teacher education trilogy," Scott and Ollie discuss the current preparation programs at their institutions and how their design was informed by research. Things that bring us joy this week: Marvel's What if...? on Disney + Longwood Gardens Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 54: My Minion, Not My Lackey 08.09.2021 42:36
Invisible College Professional Development Schools The Nine Essentials edTPA Things that bring us joy this week: Live Music - Green Day , Weezer , and Fall Out Boy Maintenance Phase Podcast Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 53: Ten Thousand Hours Ago 02.09.2021 51:25
In this episode, Scott and Ollie share their experiences with their teacher education programs and their mentors. Since many universities are starting their fall semesters, it prompted Scott & Ollie to talk about their education and preparation as science teachers. During their discussion, they bring up the concept of "Ten Thousand Hours" which was discussed in Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers...
Episode 52: Joy to the World 25.08.2021 57:01
Things that bring us joy this week: Podcast Back to Work / Reconsiliable Differences / Roderick on the Line (Podcasts in the Merlin Mann (iverse) Phase Zero Podcast Smartphone App Duolingo Ten Percent Happier Streamable Series Ted Lasso on Apple TV+ Letterkenny on Hulu Movie Sound of Metal The Old Guard Book - Entertainment Deadly Education My Grandmother Asked Me to Tell You She's Sorry by Fredri...
Episode 51: Harumph! 17.08.2021 52:14
In the penultimate episode of season 1, we dig deeper into phenomenon-based teaching and what it would look like in classroom settings. In our discussion, we introduce the book Fish is Fish by Leo Lionni as a way to highlight how people react when presented with radically new ideas. You can check out the book at: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/101915/fish-is-fish-by-leo-lionni/ Things th...
Episode 50: Mahna Mahna Do Do Do Do Do 13.08.2021 56:11
Albert Bandura Phenomena by the Muppets The tanker lesson on AST website . Bill and Ted Meet Socrates Things that bring us joy this week: Great Pottery Throwdown on HBO Max Olympics - 3 on 3 Basketball Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 49: Not about Pornography, Eugenics or Psychopathy 04.08.2021 52:09
In this episode, we finish up our discussion of pedagogical content knowledge and examine the larger impacts (and unintended consequences) of measuring things. Along the way, we discuss several books and podcasts including: Weapons of Math Destruction by Cathy O'Neil Algorithms of Oppression by Safiya Umoja Noble The Psychopath Test on This American Life Things that bring us joy this week: Ted Las...
Episode 48: Haters Have Got to Hate (or Do They?) 28.07.2021 52:54
Spawn I Care a Lot Pedagogical Content Knowledge Lee Shulman's seminal 1986 article, Those Who Understand: Knowledge Growth in Teaching . "Whatever exists at all exists in some amount. To know it thoroughly involves knowing its quantity as well as its quality." - Edward L. Thorndike. (1918). The nature, purposes, and general methods of measurements of educational products. Chapter II in G.M. Whipp...
Episode 47: Scott's Swear Jar 21.07.2021 50:04
In this episode, we discuss Lee Shulman's seminal 1986 article, Those Who Understand: Knowledge Growth in Teaching . The article introduced the concept of Pedagogical Content Knowledge (PCK) and we discuss the broader impacts of the concept on the field of education. Things that bring us joy this week: Black Widow on Disney+ Peaky Blinders on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legall...
Episode 46: Not All Friends of the Show 14.07.2021 40:00
Things that bring us joy this week: A Deadly Education by Naomi Novik Electric Townie Bikes Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind Production assistance by Enzo Dreon
Episode 45: Our Mid-Life Crisis Episode 07.07.2021 50:04
In this week's episode, we discuss the research on learning progressions in science education by examining two articles. The first article is from Hammer & Sikorski (2015) which examines the implications of complexity for research on learning progressions. The second article outlines a way that learning progressions can be used as a tool for curriculum development. References: Hammer, D., &...
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