Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon

Science In-Between

This is a conversation about how science teaching can move between and connect different worlds.

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Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon

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Education

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Jul 8, 2026

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Episodes

Episode 104: Joys to the World, Vol. 2 31.08.2022

This week we did only joys. We chose one thing that brought us joy from a group of different categories. Things that bring us joy this week: Podcast Blank Check with Griffin and David Phase Zero Phone App DuoLingo SleepWatch Game Knotwords by Zach Gage Wordhunt Spelling Bee from NYT TV Show Reservationi Dogs The Bear Movie Everything, Everwhere, All at Once UNNUR Book The Seven Husbands of Evelyn...

Episode 103: Just Not Right 24.08.2022

In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss how we approach "correct answers" in science classrooms and whether anything is really "right." Things that bring us joy this week: Brandi Carlile The Midnight Library by Matt Haig Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 102: What We Talk About When We Talk About Informal Science Education 17.08.2022

This week we talk about the long overlooked (by us) context of informal science education. We talk about what it means and how it is the same or different from more traditional formal science education (i.e. classroom science teaching). Learning Science in Informal Environments: People, Places, and Pursuits Identifying and Supporting Productive STEM Programs in Out-of-School Settings Things that b...

Episode 101: Dipping Toes into International Waters 10.08.2022

In this episode, Scott and Ollie talk about the international STEM education and what we can learn (if anything) from the assessment-based comparisons. In the conversation, we draw on data from the 2018 Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) and 2019 Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS) Things that bring us joy this week: Bullet Train with Brad Pitt Sean Carro...

Episode 100: All About the Prime Space, Cousin 03.08.2022

This week we talk about direct instruction and what role it takes in ambitious forms of teaching. Ambitious Science Teaching by Windschitl, Thompson, and Braaten Things that bring us joy this week: For the first time ever we have a shared joy - The Bear on FX/Hulu Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 99: If the Future's Online... 27.07.2022

In this episode, Scott and Ollie revisit a topic from Episode 97 and examine what learning principles should inform an online, educational future. During the conversation, Scott references "epistemic agency" and cites the following article: Addressing the epistemic elephant in the room: Epistemic agency and the next generation science standards (Miller et al, 2018) Things that bring us joy this we...

Episode 98: Shakes Fist at Cloud 20.07.2022

This week we talk about how much science we need, as citizens, to participate in the public discourse in society and make public decisions. We move from talking about how of science (the processes and practices of science) and talk a bit about the what of science (the normative science understandings). Things that bring us joy this week: The Boys - Season 4 on Amazon Prime Ozark on Netflix Intro/O...

Episode 97: Is the Future Online? 13.07.2022

In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss recent experiences they've had that communicated that the future of K-12 education through online delivery. We discuss whether this is a realistic and what some of the hurdles schools and families will need to navigate to make that happen. In the episode, we briefly discuss the following: Adam Grant's Work Live podcast Modern Classrooms Project Things that...

Episode 96: Not One of My Favorite Numbers 06.07.2022

This week we talk about culturally relevant science teaching and what that means in terms of connecting to local community issues. We talk about the nature of being responsive as a science teacher and having learning opportunities be connected to local community issues is not a requirement for doing culturally relevant teaching. How do you think about creating curiousity and relevance by building...

Episode 95: Why Would Anyone Become a Science Teacher? 29.06.2022

In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss the reasons that prospective science teachers should enter the profession. Things that bring us joy this week: Thor: God of Thunder - God Butcher series Sierra Six: A Gray Man Novel by Mark Greaney Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 94: False Sense of Performance 23.06.2022

This week we talk about standards, standardizing, and what makes sense to makes sense to standardize and why. Having consistency can help support equity across classes, schools, states, and even the country, but rigid curriculum are not responsive to students. How can we think about having standards (i.e. goals for what all students should know/be able to do), without having solutions that are scr...

Episode 93: Filiopietism 15.06.2022

In this episode, Scott and Ollie talk about the shifts that school leaders need to make to better support science teachers adopting Next Generation Science Standards. In the discussion, we introduce the NGSS-aligned Danielson Framework and discuss some of the markers for administrators to look for. NGSS-aligned Danielson Framework [NGSS: An Overview for Principals](extgenscience.org/sites/default/...

Episode 92: Doctor Cranky Pants 08.06.2022

Gallager Carrot Top 5E Model ( Bybee, R. W., Taylor, J. A., Gardner, A., Van Scotter, P., Powell, J. C., Westbrook, A., & Landes, N. (2006). The BSCS 5E instructional model: Origins and effectiveness. Colorado Springs, Co: BSCS, 5, 88-98. ) The Actual Professor Cranky Pants - Bill Sandoval Things that bring us joy this week: Doom Patrol on HBO Max Everything Everywhere All at Once Intro/Outro...

Episode 91: A Preacher, A Politician and A Prosecutor Walk into a Bar... 01.06.2022

In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss the dispositional stance that teachers and students must adopt to be successful in classes built on student exploration of ideas and explanations. We draw on Adam Grant's book Think Again as well as recent episode of Against the Rules . Things that bring us joy this week: Joining a Community Band The Punisher on Disney+ Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction...

Episode 90: How & Why and Sometimes What 25.05.2022

Epistemic Agency Things that bring us joy this week: Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness Limonchello - Unfortunately you can't have Ollie's artisanal limonchello, but still, you can get some. Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 89: You Can't Open the Box 18.05.2022

In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss uncertainty in science and ways we can teach it in the science classroom. During the discussion, we refer to a recent article which examines trustworthiness and uncertainity in science. Covitt, B.A., Anderson, C.W. Untangling Trustworthiness and Uncertainty in Science. Sci & Educ (2022). https://doi.org/10.1007/s11191-022-00322-6 Things that bring us jo...

Episode 88: The Model is NOT the Thing 12.05.2022

Continuing with themes of the show, Ollie and Scott talk about models in their many forms in science and their relationship to the world and scientific phenomena. We also talk about the difference between students' models/explanations that they create and their relationship to cannonical science models/explanations. Atomic Models Things that bring us joy this week: Julia Peacemaker on HBO Max Intr...

Episode 87: What We Do as Academics 06.05.2022

In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss the differences between explanation and argumentation as practices in science classes. We also dig into the common "CER" model of argumentation which scaffolds students through Claims, Evidence, and Reasoning to make evidence-based arguments. Things that bring us joy this week: Word Hunt on Game Pigeon Sage Solitaire FlipFlop Solitaire Intro/Outro Music: No...

Episode 86: The Illusion of Control 27.04.2022

Disciplined Improvisation - Sawyer, R. K. (2004). Creative teaching: Collaborative discussion as disciplined improvisation. Educational researcher, 33(2), 12-20. Principled Improvisation - Philip, T. M. (2019). Principled improvisation to support novice teacher learning. Teachers College Record, 121(6), 1-32. Rumblestrip the Podcast Things that bring us joy this week: Primanti Brothers - OG Locati...

Episode 85: Don't Call it a Comeback 20.04.2022

In this episode, Scott and Ollie return after an unexpected hiatus to discuss a recent episode of the Against the Rules podcast. The episode, titled Field of Ignorance , explores how data is used (and misused) in baseball. We discuss how this relates to our work as teachers. Things that bring us joy this week: Fear of the Dawn by Jack White Abbott Elementary Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction b...

Episode 84: Exacerbated Exasperation 06.04.2022

Things that bring us joy this week: Station Eleven Marvel Unlimited Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 83: An Evergreen Effort? 30.03.2022

In this episode, we conclude our series discussing A Framework for K-12 Science Education: Practices, Crosscutting Concepts, and Core Ideas (2012). Specifically, we dig into equitable practices in science education. Things that bring us joy this week: Radiolab Episode: The Helen Keller Exorcism White Folks by Timothy J. Lensmire Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 82: Almost Professional (Disciplinary Core) Ideas 23.03.2022

In this episode, Ollie and Scott discuss the disciplinary core ideas in the NRC's A Framework for K-12 Science Education: Practices, Crosscutting Concepts, and Core Ideas (2012). Things that bring us joy this week: National Museum of African American History and Culture The Adam Project on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 81: Frosted Tips Are Not a CCC 16.03.2022

In this episode, Ollie and Scott discuss the cross cutting concepts in the NRC's A Framework for K-12 Science Education: Practices, Crosscutting Concepts, and Core Ideas (2012). Things that bring us joy this week: Good Guys: How Men Can Be Better Allies for Women in the Workplace by David G. Smith and W. Brad Johnson Project Hail Mary by Adam Weir Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally B...

Episode 80: Dropping Names 09.03.2022

This week, Scott and Ollie dig into the NRC Framework and discuss Science and Engineering Practices as they're framed in the Next Generation Science Standards. Things that bring us joy this week: Free Guy Batman Hush Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

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