Lauren Spigelmyer & Jessica Doering

Returning to Us

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To help people who help people, the organization needs to be healthy and have practices in place that consider the trauma of those they serve. Lauren Spigelmyer and Jessica Doering have helped thousands of people who help people all over the world. Each week they'll explore tools, insights, and stories to help you lead and live with more clarity, calm, and connection. If you’re looking for support as you grow your organization’s capacity for caring for staff and the community, we would love to be part of that journey.

Author

Lauren Spigelmyer & Jessica Doering

Category

Health

Podcast website

www.fiveives.com

Latest episode

Apr 21, 2026

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Episodes

Sound, Rhythm, and a Needed Pause 21.04.2026

Lauren offers a gentle reminder that pausing is not a disruption, but a necessary part of regulation and sustainable leadership. As the podcast takes a short break, she encourages listeners to consider where they, too, might need to slow down and create space for reset. She shares a simple, accessible tool using sound based regulation like binaural beats or isochronic tones to help shift the nervo...

Repair without Weakening Authority 31.03.2026

Repair is often where leadership breaks down, but it is also where trust is built. In this episode, Lauren walks through why rupture is inevitable in high stress environments and how avoiding it quietly erodes culture, connection, and accountability. Rather than weakening authority, thoughtful repair work signals emotional maturity, steadiness, and self awareness, qualities that strengthen leaders...

Revisiting The Regulated Team: Creating Cultures that Breathe 24.03.2026

This week, we’re revisiting a past episode of the podcast, The Regulated Team: Creating Cultures that Breathe . As recent episodes have explored sustainable authority and the shift away from urgency driven leadership, this conversation feels especially relevant. It expands those ideas beyond the individual, showing how regulation or dysregulation spreads across a team and shapes the culture as a w...

Why Accountability Feels Threatening 10.03.2026

Lauren begins a new series on maintaining authority without escalation, focusing on why accountability can feel threatening in high-stress or trauma-exposed systems. When teams are already carrying chronic stress, even small moments of correction can activate the nervous system and trigger defensiveness, avoidance, or shutdown. Rather than avoiding hard conversations, Lauren encourages leaders to...

How Regulated Leaders Make Better Decisions in High-Stress Systems 03.03.2026

In this final episode of the Leading Under Pressure series, Lauren reframes authority as nervous system stability rather than intensity or control. She explains how regulated leaders build trust through emotional predictability, consistency, and co-regulation instead of urgency and reactivity. Sustainable authority, she argues, is not about being the strongest personality in the room, but the most...

Leading Through Conflict Without Escalation 24.02.2026

Lauren returns to the series on leading under pressure with a focus on navigating conflict without escalation. She reframes conflict as a nervous system event rather than simply a communication issue, explaining how stress activates threat responses around control, safety, and belonging. When leaders become dysregulated, they lose access to clarity and often default to avoidance, control, or appea...

A Fresh Look at the Five Ives Framework in the Workplace 17.02.2026

In this earlier episode from Returning to Us, Lauren introduces the foundations of what would become the Five Ives framework, including the Five Ives continuum and the 4Ps (Policy, Practice, Practitioner, and People). Listening back now, this conversation serves as a helpful reminder of how workplace culture, leadership, and environment all play a role in regulation and healing. Today, the 4Ps rem...

Boundaries as Leadership Infrastructure 10.02.2026

Lauren shares how clear boundaries serve as vital leadership infrastructure, helping regulate teams, reduce anxiety, and prevent burnout. She explains how predictable limits build psychological safety and support creativity and sustainable performance, while unclear boundaries lead to over-availability, resentment, and exhaustion. She also offers practical guidance on system-level boundaries like...

Clarity as a Safety Cue 09.02.2026

Lauren explores why clarity is one of the most powerful safety cues a leader can offer in high-pressure systems. Rather than micromanagement, clear expectations help regulate the nervous system by creating predictability, reducing rumination, and allowing people to think, decide, and perform more effectively. This episode also examines the cost of ambiguity, from burnout to disengagement, and offe...

When Leaders Become the Stressor 27.01.2026

In this episode, Lauren explores how leadership stress can quickly spread through a team and shape trust, communication, and performance. She reflects on how awareness of your own regulation is a core leadership skill and why noticing tension early can change the entire direction of a meeting or organization. Lauren also shares practical guidance on repair as a leadership strength. By naming impac...

Episode 2: Authority Without Fear 20.01.2026

In this episode, Lauren continues the Leading Under Pressure series by exploring how authority and power shape the nervous system and why leadership is never neutral. She unpacks how fear based practices drive compliance, silence, and burnout, while regulated authority builds safety, clarity, and trust.  This episode offers insight into shifting from control to connection, showing how presence, to...

Episode 1: What Stress Does to Decision-Making 13.01.2026

Lauren starts a new series on leading under pressure, looking at how chronic stress shifts the way leaders think, decide, and lead. She explains how dysregulation narrows perspective and pushes people into urgency, control, and short term thinking.  This episode reframes those patterns through a nervous system lens and shows how small moments of regulation can bring leaders back to clarity and tru...

The Pause Between Now and Next 06.01.2026

Lauren opens the new year with an invitation to pause between “now and next.” This episode creates space to reflect on the past year, release what no longer serves, and move forward with more clarity and steadiness instead of urgency or burnout. Lauren explores how pausing supports nervous system regulation, sustainable leadership, and intentional design. Listeners are encouraged to do less on pur...

Leading from a Regulated Core 30.12.2025

In this episode, Lauren explores what it means to lead from a regulated core and why a leader’s internal state is the most powerful influence on culture, safety, and decision-making. She explains how nervous system regulation shapes teams long before words or strategies do and shares simple, practical micro-regulation tools leaders can use before meetings, conversations, and decisions to reduce re...

Designing Rhythms that Regulate 23.12.2025

Lauren explores how rhythm regulates both the nervous system and organizations, showing how predictable routines create safety, clarity, and capacity, while chaos increases stress and burnout. She shares practical examples of daily, weekly, monthly, and quarterly rhythms leaders can use to replace urgency with coherence, and invites listeners to try one regulating rhythm and notice how it shifts e...

When Culture Dysregulates 16.12.2025

Lauren explores how organizational culture acts as a nervous system and the signs that show when it’s stuck in survival mode. She explains how unclear communication, chronic urgency, and dysregulated leadership quietly shape how teams feel, function, and perform.  She also shares simple ways leaders can restore regulation through tone, emotional repair, and small moments of co-regulation that rebu...

Growth & Feedback Without Fear 09.12.2025

In this episode, Lauren explores how leaders can promote growth and give feedback without triggering fear or threat responses. She explains why traditional evaluation systems dysregulate staff and why regulation, clarity and collaborative feedback matter for culture and performance.  She shares strategies like predictable check ins, strengths first framing, and micro goals to make feedback support...

Onboarding as Co-Regulation 02.12.2025

In this episode, Lauren explores onboarding as a nervous-system experience rather than paperwork. She shows how predictability, belonging, clarity, and emotional tone shape a new hire’s first 30 to 90 days and influence whether they feel safe, confident, and connected. She also offers regulating structures like clear roadmaps, warm welcomes, buddy systems, and communication norms to help organizat...

Policy as a Nervous System 25.11.2025

Lauren shares how policies and procedures act like an organization’s neural pathways, shaping safety, trust, and overall regulation. Punitive or confusing policies create anxiety, while clear and compassionate ones build stability and support. She explains the difference between stress-driven and safety-driven policies and offers simple steps to make them more regulating. Lauren encourages listene...

Meetings That Calm, Not Drain 18.11.2025

Meetings set the tone for an organization. Lauren explains how structure, pacing, tone, and clarity can calm the nervous system and keep teams grounded instead of drained. She also shares simple practices like ritualized starts, sensory grounding, one word check ins, and clear closures to help meetings become stable, productive spaces that support a healthier culture. Sign up for the University of...

The Regulated Organization: What It Means to Be a Regulated Organization 11.11.2025

Lauren launches The Regulated Organization series, exploring how stress and regulation affect entire workplaces, not just individuals. She explains how an organization’s “nervous system” shapes culture, communication, and trust, and how the Five Ives framework helps bring balance and sustainability to teams.  Sign up for the University of Pennsylvania Behavior Breakthrough Accredited Course Learn...

Retain: Sustaining Staff, Culture, and Capacity 04.11.2025

In this episode, Lauren explores how organizations can move beyond burnout to build lasting staff retention through the Three M’s: Moments, Memories, and Meaning. She explains that small daily interactions, shared experiences, and a sense of purpose create connection, stability, and momentum. True retention, she says, isn’t just about keeping people; it’s about helping them thrive.  Sign up for th...

Reinforce- Ensuring that Change becomes Cultural Muscle Memory 28.10.2025

In this episode, Lauren dives into Reinforce, the third phase of the Staff Sustainability Program. After moving through relief and reset, this stage is about turning new, healthy patterns into lasting habits that define an organization’s culture. She shares how repetition, reflection, and consistent routines help build stability, trust, and regulation across teams. By focusing on reinforcement, or...

Reset: Moving from Relief to Real Transformation 21.10.2025

In this episode, Lauren explores what it means for organizations to truly reset after burnout. She shares how leaders and teams can move from short-term fixes to lasting change by addressing root causes, rebuilding trust, and fostering compassion-driven accountability. Through small, consistent practices and reflective leadership, Lauren shows how organizations can build cultures that support well...

Stage 1: Relieve — Stabilizing in Survival Mode 13.10.2025

 In this episode, Lauren explores why many organizations try to build sustainability while running on empty and how real change begins with creating relief. She shares how survival mode shows up through reactivity and disconnection and offers practical ways for leaders and teams to calm their systems, rebuild trust, and create the foundation for lasting change.  Sign up for the University of Penns...

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