Dr Naomi Fisher and Dr Danielle Drinkwater
Let's Talk Neurosense: the psychology of neurodiversity
A podcast to discuss important issues about neurodiversity. neurosense.substack.com
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Dr Naomi Fisher and Dr Danielle Drinkwater
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Jul 8, 2026
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S2 E6 Being the parent and the psychologist with Rosie Gilderthorp 08.07.2026 55:31
Does it help, being a psychologist when your children have additional needs? Or can it make things more complicated? This week we are delighted to talk to Rosie Gilderthorp. Rosie has worked in forensic and learning disabilities services and she now runs the Psychology Business School, which helps other psychologists to find their way in private practice as well as working clinically. Two of her c...
S2 Bonus: Behind the Headlines: Are there 194,000 older adults in need of an autism diagnosis? 03.07.2026 47:56
Guardian readers were asked last week to ask themselves if their parents might be neurodivergent. Apparently up to 97% of autistic adults over the age of 60 are undiagnosed, and the Guardian is here to guide their adult children in how to broach the subject. That is, by our calculations, 194,000 people. So what does this mean? What is the research this is drawing on and what are the assumptions be...
S2 E5 Power, knowledge and language in neurodiversity with Helen Pluckrose 01.07.2026 1:05:42
Have you noticed that the way some people talk about neurodiversity has changed? Have you heard that diagnostic language is violent, that neurodivergent people are oppressed by neuronormative standards and that it’s ableist to suggest that it’s preferable to be non-disabled, if that’s an option? Have you noticed strange similarities in the way that disability, race and gender are discussed, and wo...
S2 E4 Recognising our responsibility with Alison Flynn 24.06.2026 1:12:08
This week’s guest is Dr Alison Flynn, a clinical psychologist who has specialised in working in neurodevelopmental and forensic services. She told us of her strong sense of professional responsibility, particularly when it comes to working with people who have been poorly served by the systems that were supposed to care for them. We talk about the need to have robust discussions about issues such...
S2 E3 Autism online with Jon Machnee 17.06.2026 1:00:30
This week, we speak to Jonathan Machnee, an autistic computer engineer and independent autism researcher from Canada. Jon got in touch after the response to our episode with Uta Frith because he is particularly interested in the online dynamics around autism and neurodiversity. Jon is the host of Christianity on The Spectrum, a long form podcast where he talks to people about the intersection of C...
S2 E2 Why lived experience expertise needs checks and balances with Dan Lovesey 10.06.2026 44:17
Dan Lovesey is an autistic researcher, academic and creative who is part of the disability and inclusion team at The University of Law, UK. He has recently completed his PhD and has written a book about neurodiversity and the creative industries, Creative Minds, Divergent Paths. Dan got in touch with us because he was concerned about the lack of balance he saw in conversations about neurodiversity...
S2 E1 Blaming children's brains for the failings of the school system with Chris Bagley 03.06.2026 57:23
Dr Chris Bagley is a psychologist, teacher, writer and musician with an interest in the evolution of ideas, educational transformation and systems change. He is Director of Research at social enterprise, States of Mind , Co-Director at Square Peg CIC and a Tutor at The Institute of Education, University College London. I (Naomi) first met Chris several years ago, as we were both critiquing the edu...
BONUS: What really happens when we diagnose autism with Danielle Drinkwater 27.05.2026 50:48
Dr Danielle Drinkwater is a clinical psychologist and co-host of Let’s Talk Neurosense. In this interview-with-the-hosts episode, Dani talks about her path into clinical psychology and why she wanted to work with children. She explains her clinical experience working as a neurodevelopmental diagnostician, and explains why she found herself increasingly uncomfortable with her part in the diagnostic...
It's the end of Season 1 21.05.2026 14:07
We’ve released ten episodes of Let’s Talk Neurosense. We’ve interviewed ten different people, all with quite different perspectives on neurodiversity. It’s been a bit of a rollercoaster, and we’ve learnt a lot along the way. Now we’d really like to know if you have questions you’d like us to answer - or people you’d like us to talk to in upcoming seasons. Please let us know in the comments. And pl...
BONUS: Why we need to be brave and ask the difficult questions with Naomi Fisher 20.05.2026 1:16:59
This week, Dani sits down with Naomi to find out about her journey into clinical psychology, her relationship to the topic of neurodiversity, her experiences of home schooling her two children, and some of the reasons she wanted to start this podcast. They reflect on some of the responses that Naomi has received since speaking out about the things that concern her online, as well as some of the wa...
S1 E10 Supporting children without the need for a diagnosis with Claire Mason 13.05.2026 41:54
Children across the UK are waiting for years in order to get a diagnosis of autism or ADHD. And in the meantime, it can be impossible for their families to get the help that they need. Some of them are stuck; without a diagnosis they cannot access support, but waiting lists means that needs are going unmet. Subscribe for free to be the first to hear about our new podcast episodes In Portsmouth, th...
S1 E9 When lived experience and science clash with Fabian Hoff 06.05.2026 34:41
When we asked Fabian what his autism diagnosis meant to him, he didn’t beat around the bush. ‘I was lost and then I was found’ he said. Fabian collected several psychiatric diagnoses before he realised that he might be autistic. He worked it out for himself and then a psychiatrist confirmed it. He says that seeing himself as disabled, rather than having a psychiatric illness, changed everything. B...
S1 E8 Who speaks for who in autism with Amy Lutz 29.04.2026 50:33
Earlier this year a new book, ‘Upward Bound’, garnered a lot of attention. It’s authorship was attributed to non-speaking autistic man Woody Brown. It was covered in the Guardian, the New York Times and the Today Show. It’s part of a long tradition where non-speaking autistic people are credited with the authorship of books and articles that they spell out, letter by letter, with the support of a...
S1 E7 Evidence-based early intervention in autism with Jonathan Green 22.04.2026 43:18
In this episode, we talked to Jonathan Green. He’s a child psychiatrist and conducts research into children’s social development at the University of Manchester. His research centres around early intervention for autistic children - but he doesn’t work directly with the children. The intervention is with parents, to help them to understand and interact with their autistic children better. They aim...
S1 E6 Why autism is my disability not my identity with Anna from ‘Autism's Individual’ 15.04.2026 49:15
This week we are delighted to bring you this interview with Anna. Anna is an autistic woman diagnosed in adulthood who is passionate about raising awareness of non-stereotypical presentations of autism. She also has severe OCD and has been housebound for the last six years. She has a YouTube channel called ‘Autism’s Individual’ where she posts about autism and her life. In this conversation with N...
S1 E5 To diagnose or not to diagnose: how working with children has changed with Helen Kirkaldie 08.04.2026 1:01:21
Dr Helen Kirkaldie is a clinical psychologist who specialises in working with adopted children and their families. She has extensive experience in working with developmental trauma and attachment. In this conversation, she tells us how working with children has changed over her nineteen years of clinical experience, and how, as a society, we seem to have moved towards a more diagnostic framing of...
S1 E4 Why we need to reframe autism with Katy Elphinstone 02.04.2026 55:05
In the fourth episode of Let’s Talk Neurosense, we talked to Katy Elphinstone, autistic advocate, researcher and author of How to Raise Happy Neurofabulous Children: A Parent’s Guide. She got in touch after our interview with Uta Frith (in episode one), as she wanted to respond to several of the points made. Katy’s work focuses on autism, empathy and social justice, all from an autistic perspectiv...
S1 E3 Why neurodivergence matters in primary care with Victoria Galvis 25.03.2026 1:00:31
In this week's episode of Let's Talk Neurosense, neurodivergent GP Victoria Galvis talks to us about the importance, as she sees it, of the concept of neurodivergence in primary care settings, and how she is helping people in her clinical practice. Victoria is the co-author of the book Neurodivergence in Primary Care . We consider, amongst many topics, what might be the motivations of people who c...
S1 E2 Why autistic people need recognition and change with Katherine Uher 18.03.2026 1:01:33
In this latest episode of Let's Talk Neurosense, we talk to Katherine Uher, autistic psychotherapist and mum to her autistic son. Katherine is one of many people who got in touch with us following the release of our interview with Uta Frith. We had a really interesting discussion, touching on key issues such as masking, neurodivergence and neurotypicality, and what school's need in order to be abl...
S1 E1 Why we need to rethink the autism spectrum with Dame Uta Frith 05.03.2026 45:49
We recorded this interview before Uta gave an interview to the TES which created waves across X/Twitter. We’re releasing this now as it gives further depth to the issues Uta touched upon in her TES interview. Please note there is some outdated language used in the podcast which some may find offensive. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access...
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