John S. Nash & Stephie Haynes
Hey Not The Face! Podcast
A newsletter and podcast covering the business of face-punching! heynottheface.substack.com
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Jul 10, 2026
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Interview: Gabriel Burris, amateur boxer | Ep. 214 24.12.2025 34:20
SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today we’re featuring a terrific interview with amateur boxer and activist Gabriel Burris. Gabriel’s name has been associated with TKO’s Ali Act bill proposal ever since he called in to the CSAC committee meeting several weeks ago. In this episode, we discuss his background in boxing, how he got into the sport, and what he hopes his future will be if he continues into...
Interview: "The Immortal" Matt Brown (audio) | Ep. 213 19.12.2025 1:11:22
SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today we’re featuring a terrific interview with “The Immortal” Matt Brown. He has a long list of accolades, and we like to think his thoughtful take on the state of combat sports is among them—don’t worry, we list a lot of those amazing achievements right at the top of the show. Matt and John discussed a wide array of topics, and Matt’s unique insight into the fighter...
Interview: "The Immortal" Matt Brown (video) | Ep. 213 19.12.2025 1:10:54
SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today we’re featuring a terrific interview with “The Immortal” Matt Brown. He has a long list of accolades, and we like to think his thoughtful take on the state of combat sports is among them—don’t worry, we list a lot of those amazing achievements right at the top of the show. Matt and John discussed a wide array of topics, and Matt’s unique insight into the fighter...
Are UFC and DraftKings done for good? | Ep. 212 17.12.2025 30:56
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT We’re looking at reports of UFC and DraftKings parting ways and opining on why it might be. We also discuss the UFC White House card and the massive ripple effect it could have for the company without ever having to sell a single ticket. We weigh in on Bud Crawford’s retirement an...
What happens to regional promotions if Fight Pass shuts down? | Ep. 211 10.12.2025 38:38
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT We’re looking at what could happen to the regional promotions that currently make Fight Pass their home if the platform should end its run. We also discuss statements Dana White has made on the Ali Act and on Arman Tsarukyan, and Mark Shapiro’s comments on TKO’s plans for UFC’s nu...
In-depth analysis of the Ali Act Congressional hearing | Ep. 210 05.12.2025 47:30
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT We’re looking at all that went down in the Congressional hearing that reviewed TKO’s newly proposed Boxing bill, the Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act. We analyze the witnesses that spoke, the representatives that asked questions and gave them a letter grade. We also discus...
Primers for Ali Act congressional hearing & UFC antitrust hearing | Ep. 209 03.12.2025 30:43
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT We’re looking at tomorrow’s congressional hearing that will be looking at arguments for and against the new Ali Act bill, and at the UFC antitrust hearing in regards to discovery, or lack thereof. John takes on answering the who, what, where, and why questions you might have about...
All versions of the Ali Act explained: Free episode | Ep. 208 24.11.2025 1:27:58
SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re taking an in-depth look at three versions of the Ali Act: the Muhammad Ali Professional Boxing Act, the Muhammad Ali Expansion Act, and the most recent bill proposal that was introduced to Congress this year, the Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act. We discuss why they were formed, what their intended purpose was, what protections they offered, who t...
Jon Jones really fumbled the White House bag | Ep. 207 21.11.2025 34:38
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we take a look at Dana White’s media rounds with a focus on his comments about fighter pay and a story about Francis Ngannou roughing him up. We also discuss the latest developments in the UFC antitrust cases with Judge Boulware’s reaction to the Defendant’s meager discover...
Can boxing be saved? A conversation with Kurt Emhoff (audio) | Ep. 206 19.11.2025 1:48:16
SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, John welcomes back boxing manager and attorney Kurt Emhoff for an all-encompassing discussion on boxing. They discuss what’s gone wrong, what level of danger TKO/Zuffa Boxing pose to the sport, and if there’s a possible fix for the looming threat. There’s more, so follow along with our outline as you listen: Episode 206 Outline * What do you think of the curren...
Can boxing be saved? A conversation with Kurt Emhoff (video) | Ep. 206 19.11.2025 1:47:50
SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, John welcomes back boxing manager and attorney Kurt Emhoff for an all-encompassing discussion on boxing. They discuss what’s gone wrong, what level of danger TKO/Zuffa Boxing pose to the sport, and if there’s a possible fix for the looming threat. There’s more, so follow along with our outline as you listen: Episode 206 Outline * What do you think of the curren...
UFC is gambling there isn't a sports betting bubble | Ep. 205 14.11.2025 32:05
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re looking at all the angles of the exclusive partnership the UFC just forged with Polymarket. Fresh off the announcement block, UFC is steamrolling through a gambling scandal by signing on with the Number one predictive betting company. We also have the latest UFC antit...
Will Judge Boulware punish UFC for deleting documents? | Ep. 204 12.11.2025 43:56
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re looking at all the moves Paramount+ has been making, including their recently announced subscription price hikes. We’re also discussing TKO’s earnings call last week and the newest updates in the UFC antitrust cases. We’re also examining PFL’s latest business moves, a...
Conversation with legendary boxing promoter Lou DiBella (audio) | Ep. 203 07.11.2025 1:05:02
SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT During this long, winding conversation, John and Lou discuss the current state of boxing, what has gone wrong with the sport, what has worked in the original Ali Act, why the new bill will only help TKO, and why this entire conversation is moot. We also go over (several times) Lou’s statements from his deposition in the UFC antitrust lawsuit as for why a promoter shou...
How UFC fighters will take the brunt of the gambling scandal | Ep. 202 05.11.2025 31:19
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re looking at how the UFC has yet again found themselves embroiled in a gambling scandal thanks to another James Krause affiliated fighter. We examine all the angles from that and how Dana White’s public statement comes across. We also discuss Jake Paul vs. Gervonta Davi...
Can TKO skirt the Ali Act even if the new bill doesn't pass? | Ep. 201 31.10.2025 33:48
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re looking at how Zuffa Boxing can skirt the current Ali Act even if their proposed bill doesn’t get passed, Matt Brown and Carlos Newton’s complaints, and the future of UFC on Paramount+. We also discuss new action on the UFC antitrust cases, and how Tom Aspinall (and a...
Why Tom Aspinall was right to quit at UFC 321 | Ep. 200 29.10.2025 34:31
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re looking at why Tom Aspinall was right to quit at UFC 321 and why Dana White and UFC commentators/fighters are dragging him through the mud, as well as UFC’s announcement about streaming in South America and Australia. We’re discussing Jake Paul vs. Gervonta Davis tick...
Are boxing promoters underestimating the threat of TKO and Zuffa Boxing? | Ep. 199 24.10.2025 37:22
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re looking at boxing promoters weighing in on why they didn’t make their presence known during the CSAC meeting last week, where they think Zuffa Boxing will be in five years, and how we think they’re underestimating the TKO machine. We’re also discussing WWE’s ticket pr...
Response to Andy Foster interview with Ariel Helwani | Ep. 198 22.10.2025 53:13
SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re looking at the interview Ariel Helwani did with CSAC head, Andy Foster We dissect his answers, give some history of what the current iteration of the Ali Act does, the protections it offers, and how the proposed legislation changes or eliminates those protections. We also provide an important question we wish got asked (hopefully a future interview will s...
Did CSAC sell out boxing to TKO? | Ep. 197 17.10.2025 40:42
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re looking at the CSAC meeting that took place on October 15th that saw the commission throw the full weight of its support behind the Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act. The bill proposal introduces workarounds for Zuffa Boxing to use coercive contracts, control b...
Judge signs off on UFC antitrust case; the checks are finally in the mail | Ep. 196 14.10.2025 36:33
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re looking at the latest developments with the UFC antitrust cases, with new filings in the Johnson v. Zuffa suit and closure for the Le v. Zuffa suit. We’re also examining Pat English’s latest open letter regarding the Ali Act bill proposal ahead of CSAC’s meeting this...
Did Mike Tyson make more than the Top 5 paid UFC fighters combined? | Ep. 195 10.10.2025 34:14
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re looking at the financial health of DAZN and Matchroom Boxing’s various entities since their statements were posted for the public. Since Eddie Hearn gave some interviews last week, we also examined some of the things he said and looked at what the landscape could be i...
Has Alex Pereira surpassed McGregor as UFC's most valuable fighter? | Ep. 194 07.10.2025 29:59
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re looking at how valuable Alex “Poatan” Pereira is to the UFC. After his stunning victory at UFC 320 last Saturday night that saw him reclaim his light heavyweight title, Dana White lavished praise on him in the post-fight press conference. We compare his importance to...
Our deep dive analysis of Conor McGregor's finances | Ep. 193 03.10.2025 38:29
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re looking at Conor McGregor’s finances. With him dominating the media cycle over the last few days in anticipation of his return to fighting on the White House card, we thought this would be an opportune time to examine his estimated earnings in the UFC and compare them...
Is Trump's heir apparent Dana White? | Ep. 192 30.09.2025 31:23
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heynottheface.substack.com SUPPORT EXPANDING THE ALI ACT Today, we’re looking at TKO’s announcement of Zuffa Boxing’s broadcast partnership with Paramount+ and the possibilities for their future. We also examine Dana White’s interview cycle this week and ponder whether he might be the anointed one, hand-picked to possibly succeed Donald...
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