Joan Chan, MD, and Jamie Lee Finch, LMT
Experiential Anatomy
A podcast about knowing your body the way your body longs to be known. Co-hosts Joan Chan, MD, and Jamie Lee Finch, LMT, offer practical medicine for bodies in a disembodied time. Each week they’ll invite you to join them in discovering the beautiful, loving, honest person that is your body.
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Episodes
Assurance of Safety 07.07.2026 45:03
Listen in as Joan and Jamie share about their Mother’s Day and the connection between health insurance and the safety net of living in community. We also drop in on a special conversation between Joan and her boys. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Pleasure in Community with Members of The Refuge 30.06.2026 1:40:09
Today, four special guests from The Refuge join our hosts for a conversation on finding pleasure in community. Our guests share a bit about what drew them to The Refuge and the transformations they’ve undergone as they work towards showing up with authenticity, curiosity, and flexibility. They discuss how relational wounds require relational healing, and how an ideal community will both meet our n...
Parenting the Future 23.06.2026 1:08:27
Listen in as Joan and Jamie elaborate on several recurring themes of sovereignty, capacity, and pleasure, and weave in a bonus discussion on parenting future men. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Pleasure as Ceremony with Mouse Bird 16.06.2026 1:16:57
Mouse Bird joins Jamie and Joan to talk about creating ceremony in everyday life. Jamie and Mouse share a bit about their friendship and experience in body work, and give us a peek at what their future plans hold. They explore themes of personal transformation, evolving relationships, and the rippling impacts we have on those around us. And they explain the importance of ritual to orient our bodie...
Nourishing Practices of Pleasure 09.06.2026 42:16
Listen in as Joan shares about finding pleasure in dancing among colleagues, and Jamie works through the complex timing of this season’s topic while losing her precious Crawley. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Pleasure and Sovereignty 02.06.2026 1:19:36
Today, our hosts discuss the term sovereignty and what it looks like in practice as bodies in community. They explore the theme of modern systems that currently overwhelm our bodies, and how practicing sovereignty can bring pleasure amidst the chaos and noise. Jamie gives us an update on her beloved feline companion, and Joan ends the show with an invitation to join the After Dark segment for some...
Making Space for Pleasure and Pain 26.05.2026 41:43
Listen in as Joan shares about finding pleasure in dancing among colleagues, and Jamie works through the complex timing of this season’s topic while losing her precious Crawley. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Pleasure as Medicine 19.05.2026 1:15:35
Welcome back! As our hosts kick off Season 4 with their usual mix of humor and vulnerability, Joan and Jamie eagerly jump into our theme of pleasure and give us a few sneak peeks at what topics (juicy and the like) await us. Bringing their different experiences and trainings into the discussion, they explore the meaning of pleasure and the part it plays in the world of medicine. And they wrap toda...
Being in Partnership: A Dance of Co-creation 23.12.2025 53:54
Listen in as Joan and Jamie share their parallel experiences of navigating the intricacies of partnership in both their personal and professional lives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Pleasure 16.12.2025 1:38:25
We wrap season three with our pleasure episode as Joan and Jamie encourage us to pursue what feels good–even when the wider culture tends to tell us the opposite! Our hosts discuss what pleasure is, how it differs from enjoyment and indulgence, and describe its necessity for living a generative, healthy life. And listeners get a sneak peek at season four as the ladies workshop ideas for what comes...
Making Magic: Dig Deeper and Relate Wider 09.12.2025 43:49
Listen in as Joan and Jamie reflect on the imaginative possibilities that present themselves when we intentionally create space, come into integrity, and move towards pleasure. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Never Again with Leighton Morgan 02.12.2025 1:34:19
We’re joined today by psychiatric physician’s assistant, Leighton Morgan, who grew up similar to our hosts in a fundamentalist religion, deconstructed, and found an embodied path. Leighton’s love of humanity drew her to psychiatry, but after the rigors of grad school followed by overtime professional hours, Leighton succumbed to burnout. She shares her journey of meeting Jamie and the somatic work...
Safe to Learn: Reflections on Relationship 25.11.2025 42:20
Listen in as Jamie and Joan share how the emotional safety of their friendship enables them each to learn and grow despite their differences. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
German New Medicine 18.11.2025 1:59:18
Today, we get a primer on German New Medicine, its founder, and its core principles as Jamie details the fascinating history of modern medicine and posits several questions for us to contemplate: What are the fruits of modern medicine? What did colonialization and industrialization extinguish from medical practice? And, what might happen if we interact with our bodies as if they are an intelligent...
Somatics of Change: Transitions, Shifts, and Taylor Swift 11.11.2025 44:20
Listen in for Joan’s review of the new album, Life of a Showgirl, and Jamie’s thoughts on checking in with our bodies and supporting them throughout the various seasons and relationships of life. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
A Different Kind of Medicine with Dr. Roxanne Cooper 04.11.2025 1:42:01
Today, our hosts are joined by Dr. Roxanne Cooper to discuss a new way to practice medicine. Roxanne shares what led her into family medicine and how, after striving under the old system, she reached burnout. She gives us an intimate look at those years of loss and new beginnings, and the passion she has for ADHD and mental health issues. And Joan and Jamie reflect on their experiences with Roxann...
We are a Web: Noticing Our Interconnectedness 28.10.2025 43:01
Listen in as Jamie processes two recent, difficult events, and Joan reflects on the ripple effect that daily practices can have on the broader systems at work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Emergent Strategy 21.10.2025 1:25:31
Today, we get a primer on Emergent Strategy as Joan shares an overview of its main principles and how each relates to experiencing our bodies. Our hosts engage in an energetic discussion on fractals, the law of attraction, and the concept that change is the only constant. They discuss several authors, with an emphasis on Adrienne Maree Brown, and extend an invitation to listeners to join in this w...
Swimming in possibilities: Replacing worry with wonder 14.10.2025 37:20
Listen in on this season’s first memosode as Joan and Jamie talk about being in the realm of unpleasant and worrisome imaginative possibilities and learning to recognize our bodies’ invitations to regulate and balance. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The Realm of Imaginative Possibility 07.10.2025 1:30:58
Welcome back to Season 3 as Joan and Jamie invite us into a new period of pausing, being curious, and imagining all the possibilities that lie ahead. We get to hear about their summer meet-up and what their bodies experienced being together for the first time. We also catch up on where they’ve been this summer and get a sneak peek at upcoming guests and episodes. Learn more about your ad choices....
A Eulogy to Season 2 24.06.2025 45:47
Listen in to hear Joan and Jamie’s kids express their ideas of death, while Joan examines truth-telling and Jamie discusses a new identity. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
So, What Do We Believe About Death? 17.06.2025 1:23:33
The death of season two is upon us! But in keeping with the theme of death-rebirth-life, our hosts announce that Season 3 is happening! Join us today for a peek into what's emerging next and a final discussion on death and the afterlife. Jamie and Joan share their former religious beliefs and the impact those ideas had on their bodies. And they each share what heaven has come to mean to them in th...
Life Experiences: Finding Clarity Through Contrast 10.06.2025 37:05
Listen in as Joan and Jamie share about dreams, grief, empathy, and the importance of living through all of life’s highs and lows. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Grieving the Death of God with Dr Hillary McBride 03.06.2025 1:22:22
We’re joined today by Dr. Hillary McBride for a conversation about grief and its effect on our bodies. Joan and Jamie share a similar journey of leaving religion as Hillary, so the three discuss the grief over losing one’s identity in God. Hillary explains how important and routine it is for humans to change and reshape our ideas of reality, and it is in these repeated moments that we build our re...
Pleasure In Discomfort: Our Body’s Impulses 27.05.2025 33:58
Listen in as our hosts share similar stories of building resilience within their bodies and how cycles of death and rebirth connect to exercise and healthcare. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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