Chris & Lisa

Been There Got Out Podcast

Chris and Lisa of BeenThereGotOut.com both survived toxic marriages with narcissistic partners and the legal and co-parenting nightmares that go hand-in-hand with all of that. If you are struggling in a high-conflict relationship, divorce, custody battle, or co-parenting hell which requires PERSONALIZED attention, let us HOLD YOUR HAND along the way, while providing EXPERT, STRATEGIC guidance based on one's years of success (representing myself in court!), coupled with the other's High Conflict Divorce Coach certification. Our podcast features interviews with lawyers, therapists, co-parenting...

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Chris & Lisa

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Education

Podcast website

BeenThereGotOut.com

Latest episode

Jun 25, 2026

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Episodes

How Trauma Affects Your Body In & Out of Court, and What You Can Do to Heal - with Caroline Strawson 27.08.2023

BTGO welcomes UK trauma-informed therapist, coach, and host of the Narcissistic Abuse and Trauma Recovery podcast, Caroline Strawson (Instagram @carolinestrawson), who talks about how the brain "flips its lid" during trauma and tips to immediately get back on track, the importance of strategy before going into court, including the value of a "protective figure," and the differe...

The Dynamic of Covert Narcissistic Abuse, Parental Alienation/Abuse By Proxy, & How Men Experience Domestic Abuse From Female Narcissists - with Jon 29.07.2023

BTGO welcomes our friend Jon (Instagram @malevictimsoffemalenarcissists) who talks about the different ways men experience domestic abuse, especially from covert female narcissists, how coverts use their kids for supply, the effects of parental alienation/abuse by proxy on protective parents, and more. Abuse isn’t a male or female issue… it’s a HUMAN issue! Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Rel...

Creative Tips For Strengthening Your Case and Keeping Costs Down, With or Without a Lawyer - with Canadian human rights lawyer, Nicole Biros-Bolton 29.07.2023

BTGO welcomes Canadian human rights lawyer Nicole Biros-Bolton (Instagram @empathylawyer) who provides creative, actionable steps that you can take in your family court case to educate yourself better and cut costs! Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, High-Conflict Divorce, and How to Stay Sane Under Insane Circumstances” is now available!! Learn more and order here: https://BeenTh...

Justice CAN be Found in Family Court (When You Understand The Rules & Stay the Course) - with Mia Poppe 28.07.2023

BTGO welcomes NYC family lawyer, author, and filmmaker Mia Poppe (Instagram @miapoppe.esq) who discusses how important it is to hire a tribe of professionals to get you through a high-conflict legal battle, the significance of keeping a marathon mindset, and her own incredible story of achieving justice and restoring faith in the legal system. Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, Hi...

How Narcissists Sell Themselves and Exploit Others Through Role-Playing - with Coach Elizabeth Shaw 27.07.2023

BTGO welcomes UK superstar narcissistic abuse expert and coach Elizabeth Shaw (Instagram @coachelizabethshaw), who speaks about the narcissist and role-playing, how they "sell" themselves to an audience, delusion, lying, how and why narcissists morph into characters to exploit others, and more juicy narcissist talk. Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, High-Conflict Divorc...

Eye on the Prize: Focusing on What's Important During A High-Conflict Family Court Case - with family law attorney Ruth Chung 22.07.2023

BTGO welcomes NYC family lawyer Ruth Chung (Instagram @ruthchungesq), who talks about how to behave properly in court, why you need to find moments of joy during the process, and the importance of choosing the right attorney. Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, High-Conflict Divorce, and How to Stay Sane Under Insane Circumstances” is now available!! Learn more and order here: http...

Divorce 101: The Basics - with family lawyer Ken Novenstern 20.07.2023

BTGO welcomes NY family lawyer Ken Novenstern (Instagram @novenstern), who talks about the fundamentals of divorce, including what you probably didn't know regarding the significance of an asset list, the nuances of 529 plans, and the importance of choosing a lawyer who stays on top of the law. Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, High-Conflict Divorce, and How to Stay Sane Und...

The Role Assumptions & Cultural Competency Play When Choosing a Therapist - with Sara Mathews Dixon 13.07.2023

BTGO welcomes back CT social worker Sara Mathews Dixon (Instagram @sara_lcsw) who speaks about the importance of rapport with a therapist - especially one who understands your background, how self-disclosure can be harmful, and how to find the appropriate therapist for you and your children. Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, High-Conflict Divorce, and How to Stay Sane Under Insan...

The Power of Ritual and Gratitude During a High-Conflict Case: Tips on How to Ground Yourself and Your Kids - with Kristen Darcy 10.07.2023

BTGO welcomes our friend, Massachusetts divorce and infertility coach (and Divorcing Intact summit coordinator!) Kristen Darcy, who shares some amazing suggestions on how to deal with the holidays and expectations, how gratitude can effectively change your perspective, and ways to stay deeply connected with your children throughout their lives. Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, H...

The Myth of Cooperative Co-parenting In High-Conflict Divorce - with “TH” of @exexperts 06.07.2023

BTGO welcomes co-founder of @exexperts (Instagram) “TH,” who talks about the myth of amicable co-parenting with a toxic ex, why you should stop "shoulding" on yourself, and, for anyone at the beginning of the process, how important it is to watch her upcoming WIN YOUR DIVORCE summit! Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, High-Conflict Divorce, and How to Stay Sane Under Ins...

How To Dissolve a Business With Your Spouse - with PA Business Attorney Linda Alle-Murphy 21.06.2023

BTGO welcomes PA business litigator, attorney Linda Alle-Murphy (Instagram @allemurphy) who talks about what you need to know when you’re getting out of business with a spouse, including contingency planning, partnership agreements, what to do if you are not in the powerful position in the business relationship… … and the importance of consulting with a business attorney - along with a matrimonial...

Learning to Let Go of People: Betrayal Trauma in Friendship - What it Looks Like & How to Cope - with Therapist Rebecca Ishida 19.06.2023

BTGO welcomes back our friend, CA therapist Rebecca Ishida (Instagram @rebecca_ishida) who talks about betrayal trauma and friendship during divorce and thereafter, the "sunk cost fallacy," and what to do after losing someone who you thought was part of your closest inner circle. Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, High-Conflict Divorce, and How to Stay Sane Under Insane...

Why You Can’t Give Up on Your Kids During High-Conflict Divorce & Co-parenting Situations (and How Not to) - with Amber Chapman 16.06.2023

BTGO welcomes Amber Chapman (Instagram @family_matters_with_amber), who talks about what it's like on the other side of high-conflict divorce and co-parenting, how she finally got a successful relocation, the importance of collaborating with your attorneys, and other tips to get yourself and your children through it safely and effectively. Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, H...

How To Protect Yourself From Digital Stalking and Reclaim Your Privacy - with Security & Digital Privacy Expert Vance Long 14.06.2023

BTGO welcomes NY security, executive protection, and digital privacy expert Vance Long (Instagram: @theskaingroup) who discusses digital hygiene, how to stay "left of bang," and how much you can do to protect your privacy and safety. A big thanks to Sanctuary for Families @sffny for their recent workshop on this topic, as well as the fabulous attorneys at Carrie Goldberg Law @cagoldbergl...

How Toxic Men & Women Weaponize the Legal System, Part II - with CA Family Lawyer Padideh Jafari 12.06.2023

BTGO welcomes back Los Angeles family lawyer Padideh Jafari (Instagram @jafarilegal) for part 2 of our 2-part interview. We continue our conversation by discussing why narcissists fight for what they don't actually want, why parenting is so hard for them, tips to strengthen your case when there is unspeakable abuse against your children, and how to handle smear campaigns on social media. Our...

How Toxic Men & Women Weaponize the Legal System, Part I - with CA Family Lawyer Padideh Jafari 06.06.2023

BTGO welcomes our friend, Los Angeles family lawyer Padideh Jafari (Instagram @jafarilegal) for part 1 of our 2-part interview. Padideh talks about how toxic people weaponize the legal system, how sexism is hurting this community, and the illegal thing you may be doing without realizing it, which is also harming your case and could even get you sanctioned. Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Rela...

How to Get a Difficult Person to Settle: Everything You Need to Know About Mediation - with Retired Judge & Expert Mediator Shel Stark 03.06.2023

In this interview, veteran mediator Shel Stark discusses why a mutual pledge is necessary at the beginning of the mediation process, the importance of risk assessment, lying and plausibility before going to trial, and how to deal with hidden assets during mediation. Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, High-Conflict Divorce, and How to Stay Sane Under Insane Circumstances” is now av...

Everything You Need To Know About Restraining Orders - with Security Expert Steve Dana 01.06.2023

BTGO welcomes back our friend, NJ security expert Steve Dana (Instagram @thebodyguard.official) and head of the non-profit @protectionfromabuse, who talks about why a restraining order is more than a piece of paper, how to properly prepare in terms of documentation before going for one, and what to realistically expect during the process, and afterwards. Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Relati...

"A Conflicted Mind Never Decides:" How to Find Clarity and Certainty - with health coach Tess Abalos 15.05.2023

BTGO welcomes Connecticut massage therapist and health coach, Tess Abalos (Instagram @mtabalos), who talks about the importance of realizing our own beliefs and values so that we can take the right actions and be better parents for our children. She noted how important it is to focus on what you want, rather than what you fear, and how you can turn from a puddle into a ninja! Need help with your o...

How the Pandemic Has Changed The Family Court System, For Better or Worse - with family law attorney Melissa Cohen 12.05.2023

BTGO welcomes our friend, New Jersey family lawyer Melissa Cohen (Instagram @melissapen123, @seidenfamilylaw) who speaks about how the pandemic has affected the family court system, why Google is not necessarily your friend when it comes to high-conflict divorce and custody battles, and how family court is the opposite of criminal court, where the best people are at their worst, versus the worst p...

Side Effects of Staying in a Toxic Relationship - with Matt Phifer 10.05.2023

BTGO welcomes back our friend, author, coach, therapist, and TikTok superstar creator, Matt Phifer (Instagram @matthewlphifer) who talks about how staying in toxic relationships hinders your personal growth, different attachment styles and their effect on children, and the key to helping you heal from abuse. Need help with your own situation? Go to our website BeenThereGotOut.com and sign up for a...

Legal Services for Less Than A Dollar a Day?! - with Carol Reed of LegalShield 08.05.2023

BTGO welcomes Carol Reed (Instagram @carolareed), a LegalShield (@legalshield) representative, who talks about the extraordinary benefits of prepaid legal services and how they can be helpful (and save LOTS of money) for those of us spending thousands, some of us even millions, battling difficult people in family court. They even cover your kids until age 26! Need help with your own situation? Go...

Why Kids Won't Talk to the People Meant to Help Them, and Loving From a Distance - with therapist/author Marnie Grundman 06.05.2023

BTGO welcomes back our friend, Canadian therapist, author, narcissistic abuse expert, and TikTok superstar, Marnie Grundman (Instagram @marniegrundman), who speaks about why certain kids growing up with a narcissistic parent refuse to talk, and how you can help them develop critical thinking skills, as well as a voice. We also get into the concept of how to reconnect with kids, even if they are ad...

How To Take Control of Your Own Fate in Family Court - with Family Law Attorney Katrina Xyloportas 04.04.2023

BTGO welcomes NJ family law attorney, Katrina Xyloportas (Instagram @katrinaxylo), who discusses how the deficits in the court system right now affect us all, why settlement is a much better option if possible, and the two hats that a divorce attorney should wear as they handle your case. Our book, “Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, High-Conflict Divorce, and How to Stay Sane Under Insane C...

How To Properly Manage Your High-Conflict Case (Including With Your Own Attorney) - with NY Family Law Attorney Kara Bellew 01.04.2023

BTGO welcomes NY family lawyer Kara Bellew (Instagram @bellewkara), a unicorn of a divorce attorney who is highly trained and very experienced in domestic violence. She talks about how to take ownership of your case, the ways trauma may interfere with moving forward in your divorce or separation, and why it's so important not to approach settlement out of sheer desperation, especially when de...

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