Amy Pu
We Know The Rules
Conversations with inspiring women in sports as referees, umpires or other officiating capacities. Get to know their stories and how they get to where they are now. Be ready to be inspired and motivated by their mindset and courage, stepping into a world that has been dominated by men for so long.
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More Than an Afterthought - My Conversation with Katarina Cepinova 27.05.2026 5:30
Summary Amy Pu discusses insights from her conversation with Katarina Cepinova, an international indoor volleyball referee, focusing on nutrition, hydration and confidence building.
Conversation with Katarina Cepinova - First Female International Volleyball Referee in the UK, Senior Volleyball England Referee, Respected Mentor and Project Lead for Her Call 11.05.2026 59:11
Summary Katarina Cepinova shares her inspiring journey as the first female international indoor volleyball referee for England, discussing her career progression, challenges, and initiatives to support women in officiating. Introduction Katarina started playing volleyball since the age of 6 in Slovakia. After Moving to the UK at the age of 18, she played for LVA and NVL teams for over 10 years bef...
More Than an Afterthought - My Conversation with Rachel Lee 27.04.2026 5:56
Summary Amy Pu reflects on the conversation she had with Rachel Lee, an Ultimate Frisbee player, and the unique aspects of the sport focusing on the spirit of the game. She discusses about personal growth through sports and highlights how these principles can be applied across all sports and life.
Conversation with Rachel Lee - Self-officiating in Ultimate Frisbee; Dealing with Confrontation from East Asian background; Recognising being Different is a Strength 13.04.2026 40:49
Summary In this engaging conversation, Rachel Lee shares her experiences and insights into the world of Ultimate Frisbee, a unique self-officiating sport that emphasises the spirit of the game and inclusivity. Rachel discusses the challenges of confrontation on the field, the dynamics of mixed-gender play, and the importance of community and communication in sports. She reflects on her journey as...
More Than an Afterthought - My Conversation with Desislava Bozhilova 23.03.2026 4:22
Summary Amy Pu reflects on the inspiring journey of Desislava Bozhilova, the first woman to referee all finals in the Triple Crown Tournament, highlighting gender equality in sports officiating and the importance of support and mentorship.
Conversation with Desislava Bozhilova - Making History with the First Triple Crown, Snooker being a Supportive Environment 09.03.2026 37:42
Summary In this episode of We Know the Rules, Desislava Bozhilova shares her inspiring journey as the first female referee to officiate the finals of the Triple Crown Tournament. She discusses the challenges and achievements of her career to date, the importance of representation in sports, and her passion for snooker. Desislava emphasises the supportive community within the snooker world and enco...
More Than an Afterthought - My Conversation with Hilary Lissenden 23.02.2026 8:33
Summary In this More Than an Afterthought, Amy Pu reflects on her discussion with Hilary Lissenden, one of her mentors when she was in amateur boxing. She talks about the significance of mentorship, the diverse roles within sports, the courage to pivot in one's career, and the importance of finding joy and maintaining mental health in professional pursuits. Amy emphasises that mentorship shoul...
Conversation with Hilary Lissenden - International One Star Boxing Referee, Director, World Boxing Steering Group, Supporting the Community 09.02.2026 1:00:49
Summary In this conversation, Hilary Lissenden discusses the challenges of self-advocacy in for women in amateur boxing and professional settings, particularly when it comes to career advancements and upgrades, from her own personal experience. She reflects on her thirteen-year officiating career, where there were a lot of learning as well as opportunities that helped shape and build her resilienc...
More Than an Afterthought on My Conversation with Aimee Barrett-Theron 02.02.2026 6:28
Summary In this More Than an Afterthought, Amy Pu reflected on the challenges and lessons learned from being a referee in sports. She emphasises the importance of recognising human mistakes and the need for authenticity in communication. Through her experiences, she highlights the resilience and strength gained from being vulnerable and encourages girls and women to take up the challenge.
Conversation with Aimee Barrett-Theron - Journey in Rugby, World Cups, Professionalism and Being the Authentic Self 12.01.2026 52:07
Summary In this engaging conversation, Aimee shares her remarkable journey from being a player to becoming a top referee in the world of rugby. She discusses the challenges and lessons learned in her transition, the importance of authenticity and respect in refereeing, and how her diagnosis of autism has shaped her approach to the game. Aimee emphasises the need for inclusivity in rugby and encour...
More Than an Afterthought - My Conversation with Gabbi 18.11.2025 3:37
Summary In this episode of More Than an Afterthought, I reflect on my conversation with Gabbi, highlighting the challenges faced by female referees and the importance of mentorship in sports. Gabbi challenges the notion of visibility in role models and emphasises the need for women to carve their own paths in professional sports. I also share my own experiences in boxing and the significant role o...
Episode 5 - Conversation with Gabrielle Boateng 01.11.2025 1:01:01
Summary In this episode of the We Know the Rules podcast, Gabrielle Boateng shares her inspiring journey as a female basketball referee in the UK. She discusses her experiences in officiating, the challenges she faces in a male-dominated sport, and the importance of representation for young girls in sports. Gabrielle emphasises the need for a strong mindset, the significance of self-talk, and the...
More Than an Afterthought - My Conversation with Annika 18.10.2025 5:24
Summary In this More Than an Afterthought, I reflected on what Annika said about her insecurity and how she used it to help herself. I also shared about how I feel about being one of the very few East Asian faces in boxing.
Episode 4 - Conversation with Annika Lie 01.10.2025 1:01:46
Summary In this conversation, Annika, a women's lacrosse umpire, shares her journey into the sport, the differences between men's and women's lacrosse, and the importance of officiating. She discusses her personal growth, the challenges of being an official, and how insecurity can drive improvement. Annika emphasises the significance of mentorship, cultural diversity, and the evolving...
More Than an Afterthought - My Conversation with Iqra 12.09.2025 7:04
Summary In this More Than an Afterthought, I reflect on my conversation with Iqra, especially of the moment where she talked about the time when she had to ask for help. I share a personal story about my experience with injury and the lessons learned which could be applied in life.
Episode 3 - Conversation with Iqra Malik 01.09.2025 53:32
Guest Introduction Iqra Malik is a 20 year-old football referee who didn't even like the game when she started, but now, it's one of the biggest parts of her life. What began as something new and unfamiliar has turned into something she's genuinely passionate about. Outside of football, she is also a singer-songwriter and pianist. She currently studies Philosophy and Communications at Nottingham T...
More Than an Afterthought - My Conversation with Eva 19.08.2025 6:28
Summary In this More Than an Afterthought episode, I reflected on the experiences of Eva, a trans woman and ice hockey referee, particularly in light of recent rulings affecting transgender athletes in sports. I'd like to highlight the importance of inclusion, the need for open dialogue, and the impact of social media on athletes' experiences. I also emphasised the important of kindness an...
Episode 2 - Conversation with Eva Harrison 01.08.2025 1:00:41
Guest Introduction Eva Harrison is a 27-year-old ice hockey referee currently working out in Sweden. She was a former player in the WNIHL elite league in the UK and currently referee a mixture of SDHL and a mixture of Distrikt/Regional hockey in Linköping, Sweden. This is alongside her experience of refereeing internationally. As a player she also experienced all levels of the UK hockey scene (fro...
More Than an Afterthought - My Conversation with Diana 08.07.2025 8:46
Summary In this mini episode, I reflected on my own experiences and insights gained from my conversation with Diana, particularly around being stereotyped in professional settings, personal identity, and the challenges of overthinking. I shared my personal anecdotes, how I navigated moments of being misjudged and the subsequent overthinking, and the importance of bringing self-awareness into play.
Episode 1 - Conversation with Diana Drews Milani 01.07.2025 1:07:54
Guest Introduction Diana Drews Milani is a seasoned boxing official with over a decade of experience in both amateur and professional boxing. A former amateur boxer until age 24, she holds a Trainer B license and has been officiating since 2014. She became a licensed Olympic judge and referee before expanding into the professional scene in 2017. Representing SwissBoxing, Diana works with major fed...
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