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Every other week, TRM’s Global Head of Policy, Ari Redbord, sits down with business leaders, policy makers, and investigators from across the globe to talk about the key crypto policy, regulatory and enforcement issues of the day. Subscribe to our channel for the latest developments from the world of blockchain and cryptocurrency. About TRM LabsTRM provides blockchain intelligence to help financial institutions, cryptocurrency businesses and public sector agencies detect and investigate crypto-related fraud and financial crime. www.trmlabs.com.
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Inside the $6.36B Binance Hack with Nick Carlsen 11.11.2026 25:32
North Korea's hackers have pulled off the largest crypto theft on record, $6.36 billion from Binance, and Nick Carlsen, a former FBI analyst and TRM Labs investigator, was the first to pin it on Pyongyang, within a couple of hours of the first outflows. Nick joins Ari Redbord , TRM Labs' Global Head of Policy, to walk through the afternoon the hack unfolded, the on-chain clues that pointed back to...
EP. 123 | Every Lawyer Is a Technology Lawyer Now: Lewis Rinaudo Cohen on Machine Law 04.11.2026 38:52
Lewis Rinaudo Cohen, Co-Head of Cahill Next at Cahill Gordon & Reindel, joins Ari, to explain why he calls his practice "machine law," not AI law. It's about the legal questions that arise when autonomous agents, not humans, execute financial transactions at scale. Ari and Lewis talk about his path from structured and Islamic finance to founding a crypto boutique in 2018 and building Cahill Ne...
EP. 122 | Building Ardence: Combating Modern Crime On-Chain and Off-Chain with AI 21.10.2026 30:11
Last week TRM announced Ardence, an AI investigation platform that combines on-chain blockchain data with more than 50 off-chain partner sources into a single picture of risk. In this episode of TRM Talks, Ari Redbord, TRM Labs' Global Head of Policy, sits down with two of the people who built Ardence, Simon Warren and Lexie Nappi, to talk about what it takes to build an AI investigations platform...
EP. 121 | Q Day Is Closer Than You Think: Quantum, Crypto, and National Security with Sanjeev Bhasker 07.10.2026 35:31
Sanjeev Bhasker was a federal prosecutor, Digital Currency Counsel at DOJ, cyber counsel in the Biden White House, and acting general counsel in the second Trump administration. He is now at K&L Gates. He joins Ari for his second TRM Talks. Sanjeev tried nearly a hundred cases as a prosecutor and used BSA reporting to trace dark-web crypto cases back through exchanges. At the White House he wo...
EP. 120 | From Emerging Markets to Tokenization with Morgan Stanley’s Amy Oldenburg 23.09.2026 36:18
Amy Oldenburg spent 26 years at Morgan Stanley — operations, emerging-market FX, the trading desk, then the firm's global emerging-market investing business — before the bank created a Head of Digital Assets seat and asked her to do it full time. In this TRM Talks, Amy joins Ari to talk about how she leveraged over two decades at the Morgan Stanley to accelerate the firm’s exploration into digital...
EP. 119 | How Institutions Can Use Permissionless Rails with Rebecca Rettig and Michael Mosier 09.09.2026 40:07
In this episode, Ari is joined by close friends and two of the most important voices in our space: Rebecca Rettig, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Legal Officer at Jito Labs, and Michael Mosier, founding partner of Arktouros and former acting director of FinCEN. Rebecca developed deep subject matter expertise as a financial-services litigator working with the earliest DeFi protocols, including a...
EP. 118 | Inside Australia’s Historic AML Reform with AUSTRAC’s Brad Brown 26.08.2026 30:57
Australia just rolled out its biggest anti-money laundering reform in two decades — and it didn't just tighten existing rules, it more than doubled the number of businesses AUSTRAC regulates almost overnight, from roughly 19,000 to over 50,000, sweeping in lawyers, accountants, real estate agents, and dealers in precious metals and stones for the first time. Brad Brown, AUSTRAC's National...
EP. 117 | A 1934 Footnote Predicted Governance Tokens: Rethinking Crypto Law with Teresa Goody Guillén 12.08.2026 30:01
In 1934, legal scholar Adolf Berle wrote a footnote speculating that someone might one day hold a passive property right in active property — what we'd now call a governance token. He called it a problem for another day. For Teresa Goody Guillén, founding partner of Bellamentis and founder of the legal AI platform Sophie Lex, that day is now, and it's reshaping how she advises clients buil...
EP. 116 | Treasury’s War: Then and Now — Economic Statecraft in the Age of Technology with Juan Zarate 29.07.2026 36:53
Juan Zarate joined the US Treasury just three weeks before September 11, 2001, and helped build the Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence (TFI), transforming Treasury into a cornerstone of American national security. He later chronicled that evolution in Treasury’s War, the definitive account of how financial intelligence, sanctions, and economic power became central tools of US statecraf...
EP. 115 | Criminals Don't Have Compliance Officers: The AI Arms Race in AML with ComplyAdvantage’s Vatsa Narasimha 15.07.2026 33:49
Criminals have no compliance officers and no regulators looking over their shoulder. That means their barrier to adopting new technology — including AI — is effectively zero. They don't need a tool to work for five years. They need it to work for the next five hours. Vatsa Narasimha, CEO of ComplyAdvantage, has been watching this asymmetry define the fraud landscape for years, and his answer i...
EP. 114 | The Women Rewriting Crypto's Rulebook with DEX in the City 01.07.2026 44:22
On this TRM Talks, Ari sits down with the team behind Unchained DEX in the City — three of the sharpest legal minds in crypto and three of his closest friends — for a wide-ranging conversation about the regulatory questions reshaping the industry in real time. TuongVy Le, Jessi Brooks, and Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos bring their distinct backgrounds as prosecutors, general counsels, and enforcement...
EP. 113 | Quantum, Hacks, and Privacy: Inside Blockchain Security with Penn's Brett Falk 17.06.2026 41:42
If a sufficiently powerful quantum computer came online tomorrow, every token on every blockchain would be a target — Bitcoin, Ethereum, Solana all share signature schemes that pre-date the post-quantum era. The math has been clear since the 1990s. What's been missing is the machine. That uncomfortable truth anchors this week's TRM Talks. Brett Falk, research faculty at the University of P...
EP. 112 | The Golden State of Crypto: Regulating Digital Assets with Brynly Llyr, California DFPI 03.06.2026 33:04
Brynly Llyr has deep roots in fintech and blockchain — in-house at eBay, PayPal, and Ripple, where she served as one of the first general counsels in crypto, then founding team at Celo, then Head of Blockchain and Digital Assets at the World Economic Forum. Now she’s Deputy Commissioner for Digital Financial Assets at the California DFPI, leading the rollout of the Digital Financial Assets Law, wh...
EP. 111 | Compliance Built In, Not Bolted On: Inside Zodia Custody's Institutional Playbook with Sophie Bowler 20.05.2026 35:12
Behind every laundered transaction is a real victim, a real crime, and a real reason to do this work well. That conviction has shaped Sophie Bowler's entire career — from her first job working on the EU's Fourth Anti-Money Laundering Directive as an intern in Brussels, to her current role as Global Chief Risk and Compliance Officer at Zodia Custody. In this conversation with Ari Redbord ,...
EP. 110 | The Decentralization of Money: Building the Internet Capital Market on Solana with Catherine Gu 06.05.2026 34:19
Catherine Gu has always been at the center of the shift toward the decentralization of money, a transformation that was once theoretical but is now actively reshaping global financial markets through stablecoins and on-chain infrastructure. Inspired in part by Hayek’s vision of competing private forms of money, Catherine’s work sits at the intersection of that idea and its real-world implementatio...
EP. 109 | Building Institutional Rails On-chain — A Conversation with Canton Co-Founder Shaul Kfir 22.04.2026 35:54
When the Bitcoin white paper landed in 2008, most people saw a payment system. Shaul Kfir saw a privacy problem — because he had spent years working on the zero-knowledge proof technology that would eventually make private transactions possible on blockchains. That instinct shaped everything that followed, including the Canton Network, the blockchain he co-founded that now moves trillions of dolla...
EP. 108 | Policing in the Age of Technology with Det. Anoop “Snoop” Dattani, West Midlands Police 08.04.2026 32:51
Crypto investigations are becoming a core part of modern policing. From ransomware and darknet markets to fraud and organized crime, digital assets increasingly appear in criminal investigations. Det. Anoop “Snoop” Dattani of the Regional Organized Crime Unit at West Midlands Police joins Ari to discuss how investigators are adapting. Drawing on nearly two decades in policing and extensive cyber i...
EP. 107 | Building a Bank with a Heart: Inside DBS’s Approach to Crypto, Compliance, and AI with Chee Kin Lam 25.03.2026 32:05
Chee Kin Lam, Head of Legal and Compliance at DBS Bank — one of the world's first major banks to receive a digital payment token license from the Monetary Authority of Singapore — joins Ari on this episode of TRM Talks. Chee Kin shares a career spanning 30-plus years across JP Morgan, Standard Chartered, and DBS Bank, and what he learned along the way about people, culture, and getting things...
EP. 106 | Freestyling on Stablecoins, Privacy, and National Security with Yaya Fanusie 11.03.2026 30:34
Privacy and transparency sit at the heart of the digital asset ecosystem. As blockchain technology continues to reshape global finance, policymakers and builders face a critical question: How can financial systems preserve privacy while still protecting against illicit activity? In this episode, Yaya Fanusie, Global Head of Policy at Aleo, join's Ari to explore the evolving intersection of pri...
EP. 105 | Tracing a Romance Scam: A Survivor’s Story and the Investigation Behind It 25.02.2026 32:42
Romance and “investment” scams are not random. They are engineered — built on trust, pressure, and highly scripted manipulation. And while crypto is often the payment rail, the underlying crime is familiar: fraud that targets everyday people and drains life savings. In this episode, Detective Matt Hogan of the Connecticut State Police and scam survivor Jackie Crenshaw join Ari to walk through how...
EP. 104 | Pioneering Payments: Turning Sandboxes into Infrastructure with UOB’s Kah Kit 11.02.2026 31:57
Kah Kit Yip has spent his career turning bold ideas about the future of money into working infrastructure. After nearly two decades at Malaysia’s central bank and leading breakthrough initiatives at the Bank for International Settlements, he helped pioneer new models for instant cross-border payments, programmable compliance, and faster, safer FX settlement. Now, as Head of Blockchain and Digital...
EP. 103 | Climbing Capitol Hill: Breaking Down Crypto Market Structure with Chainlink’s Adam Minehardt 28.01.2026 31:28
From the Federal Reserve on 9/11 to Capitol Hill during the 2008 financial crisis, Adam Meinhardt’s career spans some of the most pivotal moments in economic policy. Now, as Head of Public Policy at Chainlink, he's helping shape crypto regulation during a historic legislative push. In this episode, Adam joins Ari Redbord, Global Head of Policy at TRM Labs, to explore what it takes to engage policy...
EP. 102 | Legal Clarity in a Tokenized Financial Future with Joshua Klayman 14.01.2026 37:36
Crypto law has matured quickly — and few people have been closer to that evolution than OG crypto lawyer Joshua Klayman. In this episode of TRM Talks, Joshua Klayman, US Head of Fintech and Head of Blockchain and Digital Assets at Linklaters, joins Ari for a wide-ranging conversation on how legal frameworks around digital assets, tokenization, and blockchain-based finance are taking shape in real...
EP. 101 | 2026 Predictions from the TRM Team 31.12.2025 25:07
What does the future of crypto look like in 2026? TRM’s global team weighs in. In this special New Year’s edition, Ari is joined by TRM colleagues from around the world — investigators, compliance leaders, product strategists, and policy experts — to share their bold predictions for 2026. Across the episode, TRM team members explore: The end of theory, and the beginning of execution How AI is acce...
Flash TRM Talks: The Year of Stablecoins — How 2025 Reshaped Crypto Regulation with Dante Disparte 24.12.2025 9:39
2025 was the year of stablecoins — and there’s no better person to look back (and ahead) with than Dante Disparte of Circle. In this Flash TRM Talks, Ari and Dante reflect on Circle’s big year, the passage of the GENIUS Act, shifting US market structure, and accelerating global regulatory alignment. They also share predictions for 2026 — including why privacy and global coordination will define cr...
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