The Devil You Don’t Know

Send us Fan Mail Shores of Nevis From the white sands of Nevis, we find ourselves reflecting on a deceptively simple question: What does it mean to truly be together? For us, an interracial couple navigating the rhythms of a blended family, this question surfaces in unexpected places – in the confused looks of airline staff separating us during boarding, in the puzzled expressions of theme park em...

Send us Fan Mail What starts as a terrifying moment pre-flight turns into a wake-up call I didn’t know I needed. On our way to Nevis, I fainted on the plane—no warning, just out cold. The timing felt awful... until we found out later that the plane’s computer system failed after we got off. What seemed like bad luck was actually divine intervention, and it shook me awake in more ways than one. Fro...

Send us Fan Mail Cleveland and Lindsay return after a long break to tackle the frustrating phenomenon of silent scripts in relationships and why expecting your partner to read your mind sets you both up for failure. • Silent scripts are unspoken expectations we have for our partners but never communicate directly • The absurdity of expecting mind-reading from partners when we'd never expect i...

Send us Fan Mail Self-judgment holds us back from authentic growth by triggering stress responses and reinforcing negative beliefs about ourselves. Perfectionism, deeply rooted in childhood experiences and amplified by social media, creates impossible standards that disconnect us from our true selves. • Our brains evolved for survival not happiness, making negativity our default mode • Self-critic...

Send us Fan Mail Educational segregation in America has reached crisis levels, with schools more segregated today than in the 1980s, despite Brown v. Board of Education supposedly ending this practice decades ago. We explore how systemic issues including funding disparities, zoning policies, and power structures maintain educational inequality across racial and economic lines. • Shocking statistic...

Send us Fan Mail In this engaging episode, we explore the ramifications of fighting over every point and why it often leads to unnecessary stress and emotional exhaustion. Through candid discussions, we share personal anecdotes that shed light on how the need to be right in our current divisive climate impacts our relationships and overall well-being. This episode uniquely draws on the reasons why...

Send us Fan Mail Our recent episode focuses on empathy and the vital role it plays in countering division in today's world. We highlight Dave Chappelle's (SNL 50) poignant remarks on humanity, trauma, and compassion in the wake of societal upheaval, urging listeners to reflect on how they can elevate empathy in their own lives.  • Exploring Chappelle's perspective on division and em...

Send us Fan Mail This episode centers on the theme that accountability is fundamentally an inside job, exploring the connection between personal responsibility and healing through acceptance. We discuss stories of transformation, lessons from experts like Gabor Maté and Mel Robbins, and personal experiences that highlight the challenges of taking ownership in our lives.  • Accountability starts wi...

Send us Fan Mail This episode navigates the complexities of emotional fatigue and the overwhelming nature of modern life. Through personal stories and discussions on societal expectations, we explore acceptance, the dangers of information overload, and the importance of living authentically. • Discussing the challenge of accepting unexpected returns in family dynamics  • Reflection on emotional to...

Send us Fan Mail What happens when you blend the chaos of a kitchen flood with the warmth of a vegan Friendsgiving? Join us as we share our latest escapades, from Cleveland's ponderings of a PhD amidst his return to the office grind to Lindsay's unwavering resolve to steer clear of academia. Our Thanksgiving tales range from serene home-cooked vegan roasts to the bustling camaraderie of...

Send us Fan Mail What happens when two therapists, bound by marriage, tackle life's chaos together? From home renovations that never seem to end to tales of a high-tech toilet that's more intelligent than we'd like to admit, our lives have been anything but dull. We've celebrated our daughter's 17th birthday and navigated the frustrating saga of our son's dorm room ce...

Send us Fan Mail What if you could take control of your healing journey and transform your life beyond therapy sessions? Join us as we uncover the often overlooked aspects of personal growth, inspired by the biblical verse Philippians 2:12. Through engaging stories—including a humorous mishap with an abandoned kitten named Arugula—we illustrate the unpredictable nature of life and the significance...

Send us Fan Mail Ever wondered why partial commitments can feel like a full-time strain? Join us as we crack open the emotional rollercoaster of half-hearted investments in relationships and the unique challenges faced by house husbands. Cleveland shares his candid experiences of maintaining a clean home while Lindsay spills the tea on her binge-worthy obsession with "Gilmore Girls" and...

Send us Fan Mail Ever wondered why some people seem genuinely content while others constantly chase external approval? We kick off this episode reflecting on a quote from a silent retreat: "Who looks inside awakens, who looks outside dreams." This sets the stage for a profound exploration of the importance of internal validation, especially as social media and election year pressures mou...

Send us Fan Mail What happens when unsuspecting guests discover they’re at a vegan B&B? Find out as we recount our delightful stay at the Black Sheep Inn and Spa, complete with two-hour vegan breakfasts and the warm hospitality of Simon and Miranda. Plus, we give a shout-out to our loyal listener Kim, whose heartfelt note made our day, and share our excitement over our new Breville air fryer—a...

Send us Fan Mail What if embracing your loneliness could be the key to true freedom? In this bonus episode, I steal Lindsay's microphone and take inspiration from the legendary Jimmy Buffett and the timeless wisdom of Mark Twain to explore the profound connection between solitude, authenticity, and personal liberation. Reflecting on Twain’s contemplative travels and Buffett's unique life...

Send us Fan Mail We explore seeing one's life as a story that can be rewritten, encouraging listeners to reflect on who is authoring their personal narrative. The conversation navigates the differences between living passively versus proactively, emphasizing how active control can reshape one's life story into something more authentic and fulfilling. Our episode wraps up with exploring v...

Send us Fan Mail What happens when you blend the magic of live music with the liberating feeling of breaking free from societal pressures? Join us as we recount our unforgettable summer adventures, starting with a thrilling trip to Nashville. Our escapades were legendary, from rocking out at a Zac Brown Band and Kenny Chesney concert to sharing laughs at Garth Brooks' Friends in Low Places ba...

Send us Fan Mail Discover the secrets to a happier and more balanced life with Colleen Jednak, a personal trainer, life coach, and "happiness trainer." In this episode, Colleen shares her transformative journey from the corporate grind to creating her own fitness programs like Stroller Mamas and Strong Mamas. Learn how physical activity can be a gateway to mental clarity and overall well...

Send us Fan Mail Celebrating life’s simple pleasures, we recount our heartfelt adventure in the British Virgin Islands and beyond. From a memorable 50th birthday bash in the Finger Lakes to meeting new friends on the peaceful island of Anegada, we share how these experiences have deepened our appreciation for uncomplicated, joyful living. Join us as we contrast island residents' serene, undis...

Send us Fan Mail Imagine navigating the winding, guardrail-less roads of Tortola, the landscape as thrilling as it is breathtaking. In this episode of "The Devil You Do Not Know," we share our exhilarating Caribbean adventure, from Cleveland's keen interest in U.S. politics to Lindsay's delightful exploration of local cuisine and literature. The journey to Lindsay's parent...

Send us Fan Mail What if true freedom isn't about financial success or material wealth? Join us as we reflect on our recent journey to the British Virgin Islands, where we found ourselves inspired by the contrasting lifestyles we encountered. We explore the illusion of freedom in American society and ponder what it truly means to live autonomously, free from social media and consumerism press...

Send us Fan Mail Have you ever wondered how a simple island life could hold the key to managing anxiety in our hectic modern world? Join us as we share our unforgettable experience at the Elm Beach Bar and Suites in Cane Garden Bay, British Virgin Islands, where we met the delightful Elvett and uncovered his intriguing connection to Jimmy Buffett's Cheeseburger in Paradise . In this episode,...

Send us Fan Mail What if failure wasn't something to fear, but something to celebrate? Discover how embracing failure can be the key to unlocking success in both your personal and professional life. Join us as we share inspiring stories, including Lindsay’s triumphant journey to becoming a licensed psychotherapist and our adventurous escapade in the Catskills, complete with a quirky wood-fire...

Send us Fan Mail Ever wondered how your childhood experiences influence your resilience today? We tackle the tough questions, looking at how modern pressures may have left us feeling 'abandoned' and how trauma disconnects us from our true selves. But there's hope – through stories of suffering, growth, and the healing process, we uncover the silver linings that lead to emotional wel...