Dive-In-Justice

As we finally close the season, Shadiin both apologizes AND blames Delma for being at fault for this episode taking soooo long to record/post... Delma checks in about Christmas covid, working in a predominantly white institution (PWIs) and what it's like to navigate these spaces. He gives a shout to Corporate Erin and #NonProfitBoss for giving voice to the strangeness of the culture. Shadiin and D...

We have something special to share with you this week. This is the audio version of an essay, written by one of our collective members at the Center for Whole Communities, Samara Gaev. We simply invite you to close your eyes and take this in when you have the time, and listen as Samara gives voice to the tender reality of what it’s like to bring young ones into this world in a time of conflict, tr...

Thank you for your patience faithful listener! This week, Shadiin opens up by saying the quiet part out loud and admits she loves to hear Delma stumble over pronunciations. Delma checks in about what it means to respond to the world around us based on perceived racial identity and gender and how we potentially replicate the very systems we seek to change. Shadiin reflects on the pride she feels in...

Our hosts open up how much Shadiin REALLY appreciates Delma's presence in her life. From there, they discuss the nature of contemporary politics and the role of Trump in changing the political landscape so much that you start to miss Reagan and Bush. Shadiin talks about the way our various "hats" we wear impact how we choose to show up in various places. Are we being our authentic selves? CAN we b...

With the encouragement of both Shadiin and Dr. Finney, Delma briefly considers taking up late night DJ-ing. Shadiin and Delma check in about the passing of Delma's colleague and classmate, Dr. Charles Banks and the disproportionate health outcomes of BIPOC populations. Shadiin discusses her son's and their future plans. She also raises what it means to receive feedback from listeners about her "si...

Shadiin sets up Delma once again to mispronounce Indigenous nations. They check in on the Trump's team showing up in Fulton County and the idea that Fani Willis deserves her flowers sooner than later. Shadiin discusses the crazy-making that is holding people in loving accountability and the toll it takes on BIPOC. After the break, our fearless hosts welcome Taj James: Founder and former Director o...

Our Apologies...we had some tech difficulties with this ep. Here's to never giving up... Our hosts check in about the start of the school year so Delma can complain about having to start getting up earlier and getting organized again. They take a moment to reminisce about his Aunt Emma as she transitions into "the pantheon of ancestors." Shadiin reflects on what it means to be tough, the trauma we...

Our hosts check in about the start of the school year so Delma can complain about having to start getting up earlier and getting organized again. They take a moment to reminisce about his Aunt Emma as she transitions into "the pantheon of ancestors." Shadiin reflects on what it means to be tough, the trauma we navigate to get there, and what our kids gain and lose in the process of protecting them...

Shadiin and Delma open up discussing the cultural relevance of the "Rock at the Dock," The "Fadesgivin' Festivities, " otherwise known as the August 5th "Montgomery Mollywhop," wherein a group of white Alabamans fucked around and found out. They discuss how the role of blood quantum and other western notions of belonging continue to haunt the Pueblo nation Shadiin belongs to and what it means to d...

This week, we join our fearless/fearful hosts as Shadiin tells salacious lies regarding the origin of Delma's humor. They check in about the intersection of anger, mourning, and disproportionate health outcomes as Delma continues to mourn the loss of his father. Shadiin processes recovering from covid in the midst of a retreat she was central in putting together after 2 years of continuous work. A...

This week, we discover why Delma never became a serious runner and why Shadiin is cowboy adjacent and an enemy of our bovine brothers and sisters. Meanwhile, your hosts try to figure out why it feels like white people are often more emotive regarding tragedies befalling our four-legged family than they are when it happens to their fellow BIPOC siblings. After Delma's blood pressure comes back down...

Shadiin encourages Delma to BRING IT with the introduction. Our hosts discuss a lived experience of a micro-aggression and all the ways the mind and body responded in the moment...striving hard to say the quiet parts out loud. After the break, our hosts discuss the journey from our younger, more rigid, newly-informed "woke" selves to our more comfortable, older, more flexible selves of today. Did...

Shadiin and Delma briefly consider renaming the podcast. Our hosts take time to check in with one another on the nuances and difficulties of getting facilitating groups while trying to make it look easy and what it means to "teach" facilitation to a new generation of people while being feeling exhausted. After the break, our hosts discuss the existence, proliferation, external appearance, and inte...

After a lengthy hiatus, Shadiin and Delma are back with another season of DIJ and the mutual respect is as present as ever...Once Shadiin learns to loosen up a bit...we discuss the theme of justice and money that will inform the rest of season 3. We talk about what it means to care about both justice AND paying our bills; our need for love and our need for liquidity. We talk about how often we fee...

Dive-In-Justice is launching season 3 on May 19th! Join Shandiin and Delma's bi-weekly pod as they examine the role of money, resources, and access in relationship to Justice. How do we seek one without forsaking the other? We don't know either, but we're gonna spend season 3 talking thru it together. Come join for the conversation. It'll be interesting, honest, funny, and heartbreaking all at onc...

Season 2 is in the books! Thanks SO much for being a listener! Our hosts open up with a whole season's worth of bitter love and warm hostility. They discuss balancing workloads, family, and what it means to live in head vs the heart. Shadiin discusses comfort zones and how we might benefit from finding the right balance between feeling stretched, growing, and over-extending. Shadiin and Delma zoom...

This week on DIJ, Shadiin laughs at Delma's natural-born face. They discuss how meaningful it is to have close connections with their respective children. Our hosts discuss the promises and pitfalls of American life and how it impacts their views on patriotism vs packing it up, while in Black and Brown bodies-as well as what we saw in our fathers and grandfathers who served. DIJ then welcomes, Aay...

Shadiin and Delma discuss the horrors of Ukraine, what it brings up for them-including how this moment mirrors so many others. From the systemic assault of women to the systemic racial bias in it's coverage, our hosts grapple with what it means to be a human consuming information that deeply impacts our sense of safety, well-being, and our sense of responsibility to this global community we call h...

Shadiin and Delma open this week's episode with warmth, love, and light. Or...not. They move into a conversation about the ways their own inside jokes have potentially caused harm to some of our listeners-which leads to a broader analysis of how we might come to conclusions about what's acceptable and what's not-and to what extent we're even equipped to have those conversations with one another. W...

Delma & Shadiin open the episode reflecting on Delma's obvious high quality as reflected by the quality of his guests. Shadiin complains about having to confess her pettiness first as they dive into notions of retribution and rest. Delma confesses to being often on a high moral horse when working with white people and they discuss the benefits and setbacks of leveraging white guilt. DIJ welcom...

This week, we discover just how well-versed Delma is in the nuances of Indigenous nations. Shadiin ponders the toll of white supremacy on BIPOC health over the long haul. They both discuss the importance of rest in the face of ongoing social turmoil, oppression, and upheaval. The DIJ hosts welcome Lori Tapahonso (Diné/Acoma Pueblo). Lori is a public relations specialist, a teacher, a consultant, a...

Shadiin and Delma open up by discussing whiteness. From Jan 6, to friendships, to dating, to work life and beyond. They discuss how aging impacts our ability to show up and hold difficult spaces-even when they're filled by people who look just like us. Our fearless hosts reflect on the enraging nature of trying to figure out the nuances of community while trying to live in white supremacy. DIJ wel...

Delma and Shadiin take care through the latest wave of COVID as they dive deep into a debate on cultural appropriation, especially around who is capable of appropriating based on where whiteness is present and how systems of power really work. Environmental justice leader, Vernice Miller-Travis, founder of WE ACT for Environmental Justice and Executive Vice President alongside Shadiin at Metropoli...

Delma's sexism is apparently on full display when we join our hosts. Delma and Shadiin then discuss the various ways in which we can sometimes harbor ill-will toward people in our lives and what constitutes a reasonable expectation for dealing with it. Our hosts then welcome Stevi Atkins and Teresa Springer of Wellness Services INC -an AIDS service organization based out of Flint, MI. They discuss...

Shadiin and Delma are joined by dear friends, deep thinkers, committed activists, sincerely fierce humans, and Senior Fellows from the Center for Whole Communities: Kavitha Rao and Mohamad Chakaki. They open with the work of the Center for Whole Communities, how it centers/resurfaces indigenous practices like story-telling to better hold tension, empathy, and cent relationship--as well as the trag...