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Discussing the latest news in digital art with Leyla Fakhr and Jamie Gourlay.
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Eli Scheinman: digital art coming to Art Basel Miami 14.11.2025 1:23:23
00:28 - Welcome (back!) Eli 01:10 – Preparing for Miami Beach 01:40 – Marfa and Las Vegas: Yuga Labs, collectors and community on the road 5:50 – The digital council: advising on the digital art ecosystem 7:08 – Leaning into digital art in a post-hype moment 7:50 – 1,000 m² space at Art Basel Miami Beach + global initiative 9:50 – Cultivating a new audience vs “just more sales” 18:20 – How Zero 10...
OSF: from a doodle to a $100 million token 07.11.2025 50:50
00:30 - Welcome OSF 01:40 - Coping with volatility and market panic 03:16 - The origins of RektGuy 06:15 - Managing impostor syndrome 09:15 - A community born in the bear market 10:55 - Pushing against societal definitions of an artist 12:56 - From PFP collection to drinks company 14:19 - The importance of branching out from NFTs 16:50 - Creating brand identity out of the art 19:20 - The...
David Shrigley: finding humour in art 31.10.2025 45:50
01:08 - Leaving art school and early success 03:15 - Staying true to your artistic voice 06:00 - Whitehawk and Nottingham Forest 07:13 - Frieze Magazine, Transmission Gallery and Err 10:46 - Tapping one's internal monologue 12:04 - The importance of comedy in art 14:15 - Shrig Shop, merchandise and exploring context 19:01 - Chocolate's Not The Problem, You Are The Problem 23:10...
Roundtable with Motzko & Lonliboy: the aesthetic experience of scrolling 28.10.2025 1:38:13
00:25 - Welcome Motzko 03:22 - Marfa recap 07:50 - Connecting and consolidating relationships 11:28 - Marfa highlights 13:50 - Fallout from the Raoul clip 19:16 - Navigating the social media landscape 26:00 - Motzko's collecting thesis 31:41 - Creating an aesthetic experience while scrolling 34:50 - Outside perspectives and judgments 36:37 - Silicon Valley's silence around NFTs ...
Redbeard: conviction, community and refining your focus 24.10.2025 52:10
00:35 - Welcome Redbeard 02:58 - Discovering digital art 05:03 - Too many sellers, not enough buyers 09:13 - Debunking the cabal 15:13 - Power laws, high prices and rising tides 18:42 - Building relationships and community 22:30 - Uplifting voices and building on history 23:17 - The importance of open-minded participation 25:55 - Being part of a movement and making an impact 29:08 - Zoom...
Hilde Lynn Helphenstein: the real Jerry Gogosian 17.10.2025 1:57:55
00:40 - Welcome Hilde Lynn Helphenstein 07:20 - Conservatism in the art world 10:02 - Early exposure to different cultures 11:54 - Conceptual Art, new genres and developing a practice 14:01 - The art world as a performance 16:54 - From Hooters to Art Basel 18:09 - The birth of Jerry Gogosian 22:24 - Problems built into the business model 24:43 - AI and the potential valuelessness of art 30...
Sasha Stiles: poetry in the age of AI 10.10.2025 1:18:35
00:42 - Welcome Sasha Stiles 04:55 - The foundations for an endless curiosity 09:50 - Connecting with Kalmyk art forms 13:40 - From academia to the arts 16:20 - New York, cultural absorption and parallel careers 19:05 - Living through pivotal technological shifts 21:52 - An ongoing cultural relationship with technology 23:20 - Nick Bostrom, Superintelligence and Attention Is All You Need 2...
Raoul Pal: from Real Vision to the new art world 04.10.2025 56:41
00:25 – Intro: Raoul Pal 01:05 – Real Vision: why it started after the GFC/Euro crisis 02:06 – Democratising finance content; early crypto coverage 03:41 – Bootstrapping video: “we knew f*** all” era (2013–14) 04:45 – Word of mouth growth; mistakes + learning media/tech 06:40 – Art + NFTs: desire to be part of a cultural movement 09:05 – Crypto Twitter as daily culture; priceless long-term record...
Adrian Pocobelli: from Ballard to digital art 26.09.2025 1:40:32
00:33 - Welcome Adrian Pocobelli 01:39 - Discovering the counterculture 07:10 - The desire to collect 13:05 - The Stone Roses, The Smiths, and J. G. Ballard 19:00 - Neoplatonism and psychedelics 24:30 - Learning the craft of graphic design 26:50 - Becoming a broadcaster 29:05 - Finding crypto, Objkt and Tezos 31:35 - The difference between crypto art and art on the blockchain 34:52 - The...
Sebastian Sanchez: digital art at Christie's, auction models, and the power of relational dynamics 19.09.2025 1:53:34
00:45 - Welcome Sebastian Sanchez 08:55 - A journey into digital art 11:05 - Christie's 3.0 and joining the team 17:44 - Developing a commercial mindset 20:40 - Finding the right market fit 22:30 - Nurturing artist and collector relationships 25:05 - Highlights across the last three years 26:58 - Curatorial vs commercial perspectives 30:18 - The effect of an open market on institution...
Verse round table: Verse secondary auctions, cultural stickiness and trusting the artist 12.09.2025 1:40:56
00:45 - Yeche Lange and Avant Gay recap 05:40 - Series size and collector focus 10:00 - Artist trajectories and release mechanics 13:10 - Art and the Diderot effect 20:10 - Collecting strategies and high-net-worth individuals 24:45 - What if every work was soulbound 28:30 - Cultural stickiness in the face of diluted attention 33:00 - Collecting as self narrative reinforcement 35:28 - Chris...
Eric De Giuli: breaking symmetry 10.09.2025 1:02:03
00:45 - Welcome Eric De Giuli 02:18 - Connecting art and theoretical physics 05:35 - Early explorations into generative art 08:29 - Balancing artistic and academic practices 10:35 - Discovering NFTs, 2021, and Art Blocks 13:05 - Navigating multiple audiences 16:25 - Creating order from nothing 18:55 - Avoiding noise as a structural element 23:50 - Amplifying and controlling unpredictabilit...
Rafaël Rozendaal: opening the door to Rooms 09.09.2025 1:17:37
00:35 - Welcome Rafaël Rozendaal 02:55 - The advantage of a conversational archive 06:21 - The influence of travel and cultural heritage 08:25 - Neen, LA and digital art in the late '90s 12:06 - Growing up in an artistic household 14:32 - Grants, funding and commercial pressure 16:35 - The potential of the early internet 21:00 - Art school and early connections 27:30 - Berlin and Post...
Jared Madere: Galerie Yeche Lange, VVV and the Avant Gay scene 05.09.2025 1:35:46
00:46 - Welcome Jared Madere 03:19 - The genesis of Yeche Lange 09:20 - Market consolidation and post-2021 11:00 - Exploring the role of the gallery in the Web3 space 16:18 - What caused the scene to develop on Solana 18:03 - The growth of community 21:59 - Earl16o1, trader fiction and chart paintings 25:35 - Compatibility with the traditional sphere 31:40 - A new mode of operating for a...
Paul Pfeiffer: the art of the spectacle 04.09.2025 42:49
00:47 - Welcome Paul Pfeiffer 03:07 - The spectacle of sport 07:06 - Exploring the implications of new technology 10:05 - Working with digital media in the early 1990s 14:50 - The blurring of the digital and the human 20:08 - How media consumption has shifted across the last thirty years 23:50 - The stadium as mediatised architecture 30:57 - New work and developing projects Paul Pfeiff...
Verse roundtable: diving into the Solana art trenches, consensus vs. non-consensus, bullposting and long-term value accrual 29.08.2025 51:05
00:48 - Diving into the Solana trenches 07:40 - PFP culture and Drilady 08:50 - Chain-specific culture and why Solana makes sense 14:26 - Parker Ito and the impact of Horses?2 17:00 - A different community of artists and collectors 19:00 - Jay's mid-curve meme 20:34 - Raoul Pal and consensus vs non-consensus 27:40 - Should we all be bullposting? 29:40 - AB[500] and does shuttering enc...
Parker Ito: exploring The Pilgrim’s Living Room Crucifixion; Mona Lisa Hyper-Gamble 28.08.2025 1:24:42
00:38 - Welcome Parker Ito 05:25 - Tumblr, Post-Internet scene and finding community 12:20 - The effect of early success 20:30 - Disillusionment with the art world 24:25 - What caused the market to boom 26:28 - Deep lore, Basel 2015 and Leonardo DiCaprio 30:01 - The compromises needed to work as an artist 33:03 - Through-lines and stylistic tropes 35:10 - A non-hierarchical approach 38:17...
Adam Levine: exploring the Toledo Museum of Art, cultural accessibility, platform sustainability, and why Artie is leaving the space 23.08.2025 1:55:22
00:48 - Welcome Adam Levine 01:15 - What sets the Toledo Museum of Art apart 05:22 - Ensuring the community has access to culture 07:20 - The benefit of private funding 10:10 - TMA's digital program 13:25 - The history and founding principles of the museum 21:20 - An emphasis on craft, skill and aesthetic quality 27:10 - Artist studios, manufacturing and industrial process 31:20 - Inf...
Harm van den Dorpel: Quantizer, algorithmic archeology, and digital preservation 20.08.2025 1:22:03
00:40 - Welcome Harm van den Dorpel 01:35 - Working with plotters 05:06 - Creative beginnings 08:45 - A grounding in early AI 11:20 - From tech to art school 13:50 - The shifting context around digital presentation 16:10 - The development of post-internet art 18:00 - Separating sales and practice 22:40 - Markov's Window 25:00 - Establishing Left gallery and discovering blockchain 30:...
Harm van den Dorpel and Regina Harsanyi (Twitter Spaces): the early days of Club Internet, the ephemerality of time based media and the birth of Quantizer 18.08.2025 46:27
00:44 - Welcome Harm van den Dorpel and Regina Harsanyi 03:05 - Nasty Nets, Club Internet and the early surf clubs 09:05 - Creating context and community through curation 12:40 - Ongoing scepticism around blockchain and NFTs 18:00 - Left Gallery, early blockchain based ownership and speculation 20:10 - The speed of secondary in the digital world 22:00 - On creating Quantizer 27:10 - A true...
Steve McKeon, investing in art, the birth of Glitch and the future of digital culture 15.08.2025 2:00:47
00:35 - Welcome Steve McKeon 02:25 - Navigating the dot-com boom and bust 08:19 - A winding path to tenure 13:20 - Discovering crypto 15:50 - Writing Traditional Asset Tokenisation 19:30 - The birth of Collab+Currency 24:50 - A shift to consumer focus and NFTs 28:30 - Equity vs tokens 33:45 - The Art Blocks [500] 36:15 - Collectibility and end caps 38:05 - Traditional art, sculpture and...
Terence Broad and Luba Elliott: unpacking (un)stable equilibrium 10.08.2025 46:50
03:00 - Luba Elliott on Terence Broad 04:15 - Autoencoding Blade Runner 09:25 - Machine learning in 2016 12:31 - Arriving at the crossroads of technology and art 15:35 - Why Blade Runner? 19:05 - Luba and Terrence's collaboration through Feral File 22:06 - (un)stable equilibrium 25:00 - The conceptual journey behind the work 29:50 - Imperfect copies and more constraints 31:35 - The c...
Roger Dickerman: the origin of 24 Hours of Art, finding a deliberate imbalance and the objectivity of price action 09.08.2025 2:52:40
00:50 - Welcome Roger Dickerman 02:48 - The importance of a physical space 06:02 - Roger's journey into digital art 07:45 - A deliberate imbalance 11:02 - Controlling the bookends 14:15 - The birth of Artifex and 24 Hours of Art 20:25 - Sustainability and longevity 22:35 - Putting the work in and riding out the bear 24:45 - A process of iteration and evolution 28:35 - "One foot...
Eli Scheinman: building context, courting the traditional collector and working with Art Basel 25.07.2025 1:05:07
This week we sat down with seasoned advisor Eli Scheinman to discuss his new role at Art Basel, what’s driving the market’s fresh momentum, how today’s collectors are maturing and how to frame emerging work for a more traditional crowd. 00:50 - Welcome Eli Scheinman 02:39 - Why the market's moving 04:30 - The trickle-down effect of big sales 07:07 - New entrants into the space 09:48 - The...
Nikita Diakur: The strangely beautiful world of Ugly, balancing parallel creative paths and his upcoming SOLOS exhibition 14.07.2025 40:08
This week Leyla sits down with artist and filmmaker Nikita Diakur to explore his journey in the art and film worlds, spotlighting his acclaimed short film 'Ugly'. They dive into the film's themes and the creative process behind it, as well as his artistic identity, experiences with NFTs, and his upcoming exhibition on Verse with SOLOS. 00:40 - Welcome Nikita Diakur 02:20 - Identit...
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