This vs. That

On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the topic of nourished souls vs. starved souls with guest Kristen Wetherell, author of "Help for the Hungry Soul." We discuss why Christians sometimes lose their appetite for God's Word and how to recognize the signs of spiritual malnourishment. Kristen shares personal insights about her own struggles with treating Bible reading as a check...

On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the tension between accepting limitations and neglecting responsibility with Kelly Kapic, Professor of Theological Studies at Covenant College. Kelly, author of "Your Only Human" and the upcoming devotional "You Were Never Meant To Do It All," shares his personal struggles with productivity culture and the constant pressure to do mor...

On this episode of This vs. That, we welcome Kyle Worley, founder and lead pastor of Mosaic Church in Richardson, Texas. We explore the profound concept of our identity in Christ and what it means to be adopted as children of God. Kyle unpacks how our relationship with God as Father transcends mere acquittal from a holy judge—it's an invitation into a family where we are welcomed and delighted...

On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the critical distinction between pastoral care and counseling with Dr. Jeremy Pierre. We dive into how these two forms of care overlap and where they differ, examining the unique role each plays in the spiritual formation of believers. Drawing from his 22 years of experience as both a pastor and professor, Dr. Pierre helps us understand how counseling s...

On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the concept of whole body theology and how it differs from the body positivity movement with bestselling author Lisa Whittle. We discuss her forthcoming book Body and Soul , which takes a biblical look at how God created us to be whole persons - body and soul. We examine why simply having good feelings about our bodies isn't enough, and how understa...

On this episode of This vs. That, we sit down with Eric Schumacher to explore the profound concept of weakness in Christian life. We discuss how recognizing our limitations and dependence on God's grace can lead to greater freedom and spiritual growth. Eric shares personal insights from his latest book, addressing the paradox of working diligently while maintaining complete reliance on God&#39...

On this episode of This vs. That, we tackle the complex balance between church and family priorities in ministry life. We welcome special guests Jenna Allen and Stephanie Gilbert from Pastors' Wives Tell All who share raw, honest perspectives about navigating the demands of church leadership while protecting family wellbeing. Through candid conversation, we explore how to set healthy boundarie...

On this episode of This vs. That, we explore how to effectively help those suffering from depression without unintentionally causing more harm. Our guest Kathryn Butler, a former trauma surgeon turned writer, shares her unique perspective from both sides of depression - as a medical professional and as someone who has experienced it personally. We discuss the complexities of depression, including...

On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the tension between hope and despair in the face of evil with guest Collin Hansen, vice president and editor-in-chief of The Gospel Coalition. We tackle one of Christianity's most challenging questions: Where is God in a world of suffering? Collin shares insights from his forthcoming book and his years of wrestling with difficult questions of faith. We...

On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the challenging balance between anxious parenting vs. parenting with hope. We're joined by author and speaker Melissa Kruger, who brings wisdom and practical insights to this important conversation. We discuss how parental anxiety manifests in different seasons - from checking if babies are breathing to teaching teens to drive. We examine how social...

On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the important distinction between practical theology and prideful theology with guest Wendy Alsup, author and math professor. We discuss how true theology should lead to humility and practical life changes, while examining why theological discussions sometimes become prideful and condescending. Through personal stories and biblical wisdom, we unpack how...

On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the complex relationship between neglecting and embracing emotions with Joe Hussung, Director of Ministry Partnership and Senior Counselor at Fieldstone Counseling . Our conversation examines the role of emotions in the Christian life, cultural differences in emotional expression, and how the Bible speaks to our emotional experiences. Joe brings unique...

On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the fascinating topic of good stress versus bad stress with our guest Eliza Huie, Director of Counseling at McLean Bible Church and biblical counseling instructor at Reform Theological Seminary. We discuss how certain types of stress can actually be beneficial for growth and motivation, while other forms can be detrimental to our wellbeing. Drawing from...

On this episode of This vs. That, we sit down with Robert Cheong, founder of Gospel Care Ministries and former pastor of care at Sojourn Church Midtown. We explore the critical distinction between normal ministry tiredness and burnout, discussing how we can recognize the signs when regular exhaustion begins shifting toward burnout. Drawing from his extensive pastoral experience, Robert shares valu...

On this episode of This vs. That, we sit down with Toni Collier, founder of Broken Crayons Still Color . We explore the powerful contrast between hiding vs. healing, as Toni shares her journey from a challenging childhood to becoming an author and speaker. We discuss what it truly means to heal, the importance of being honest with our pain, and how we can find hope and security in Christ even when...

On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the fascinating tension between fear of man and fear of God with special guest Ed Welch and guest co-host Jonathan Holmes, Executive Director of Fieldstone Counseling. We trace Ed's journey of writing his influential book "When People Are Big and God Is Small," which began as a response to the codependency movement of the 1980s. Through our conversation...

On this episode of This vs. That, we welcome Ginny Owens, a talented singer-songwriter, author, and Director of Worship Arts and Community Engagement in New York City. We explore the intriguing topic of Seeing vs. Believing through the unique perspective of Ginny, who lost her eyesight at the age of three. We discuss how Ginny's experience of blindness has shaped her faith journey and her unde...

On this episode of This vs. That, we have a captivating conversation with Jonathan Holmes, the Executive Director of Fieldstone Counseling and a visiting professor at CCEF and Westminster Theological Seminary. We discuss the topic of modern identity versus gospel identity, a central theme in his upcoming book, Grounded in Grace, which helps kids build their identity in Christ. We explore the disti...

On this episode of This vs. That, we welcome our good friend Jeff Dalrymple, founder and executive director of the Evangelical Council for Abuse Prevention and Lumino Global , as well as chairman of Anchored Hope's board of directors. Jeff joins us to discuss the topic of stewardship versus complacency. We explore what it means to be a faithful steward of God's gifts in every area of life...

On this episode of This vs. That, we welcome Rush Witt, the lead pastor of Paramount Church in Bexley, Ohio, and author of "I Want to Escape" and "Die Hard Sins: How to Fight Wisely Against Destructive Daily Habits." Rush joins us to discuss themes from his book, specifically distinguishing destructive habits from everyday sins and how we can combat these issues in our lives. W...

On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the topic of church hurt and discuss when to stay versus when to go. We talk with author and Bible teacher Courtney Reissig about the different perspectives of church hurt—from being a witness in the pews, to causing hurt as a leader, to being the one who is hurt. Courtney shares her personal experiences and insights from nearly 20 years in ministry, hi...

On this episode of This vs. That, we welcome Alicia Britt Chole, a wife, mother, mentor, and author, known for her unique and refreshing style that connects with people of all ages. We discuss her newest book, "The Night is Normal," and explore the concepts of disillusionment versus reality. Alicia shares her personal story, including how her father's view of questions as sacred shap...

On this episode of This vs. That, we have an engaging conversation with Trevin Wax. Trevin joins us to discuss the nuances between tribal leadership and multi-directional leadership. We explore the differences between leaders who align strictly with a particular group versus those who address challenges from multiple perspectives. Trevin shares insights on why multi-directional leadership is essen...

On this episode of This vs. That, we are joined by Dr. Mike Emlet, a faculty member and counselor at CCEF, who brings his extensive experience and expertise to our discussion. Emlet offers valuable insights into how we can apply the gospel to those grappling with religious scrupulosity, whether in its extreme forms or more common experiences of an oversensitive conscience. We cover the definition...

On this episode of This vs. That, we welcome Pastor Joby Martin, lead pastor at The Church of Eleven22 in Jacksonville, Florida. Joby shares his journey into ministry, his passion for evangelism, and his drive to reach every tribe, tongue, and nation with the Gospel. In our conversation, we tackle the complex topic of Contentment vs. Satisfaction, exploring what these terms truly mean in a Biblica...