Manasi Kumbhat Janne Brok, Erik de Ruijter
The Third View
The Third View is a podcast about change at the system level: what is actually happening when an industry inverts, a political order collapses, or a business model becomes obsolete overnight. Not what we should feel about it. What the structure of it is, and what it makes possible. Every two weeks, Erik de Ruijter, Janne Brok and Manasi Kumbhat apply their framework of radical systems level change to one complex system: politics, business, or society. The framework comes from their book If Not This, Then What? (Bureau WO, 2025). The conversations go further. If you think in systems, this is yo...
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Manasi Kumbhat Janne Brok, Erik de Ruijter
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8 de jun. de 2026
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Mark Rutte can save NATO or keep it alive. Not both. 08.06.2026 26:00
Mark Rutte is spending his political capital convincing Europeans to buy more American weapons, meet spending targets, demonstrate loyalty, keep Trump engaged. But these attempts at preservation are precisely what will, eventually, lead to him failing at the job. This week Janne and I discuss our new article on substack ( bureauwo.substack.com ) where we analyse both the 'zoomed in' detailed NATO...
Europe doesn't have a growth problem. It has an identity problem. 24.05.2026 34:37
Europe keeps being told it's falling behind. Behind on GDP, behind on the number of unicorns, behind on scale. But four decades of values survey data tell a different story: Europeans consistently choose collective over individual, time over output, quality of life over standard of living. So why does European economic policy keep following a framework built around the opposite priorities? In this...
Don't waste a good crisis 11.05.2026 30:47
In your personal life, you think about the whole. Your household, your relationships, your kids. You don't optimise one part and ignore the rest. The moment you walk into an organisation, something changes. Suddenly you're responsible for your unit, your budget, your metrics. The whole becomes someone else's problem. This episode is about that switch: why it happens, what it costs, and whether it'...
Change more, not less 27.04.2026 32:59
Electric vehicles had a 20-year head start in 1900. Serious investment. Fifty manufacturers. They still lost. In this episode, Erik, Janne and Manasi dig into what that means for anyone trying to do something genuinely new today. Why first mover advantage can be a trap. Why coherence beats being right. And why scale, the thing every organization is racing toward, reliably creates completely new pr...
Business is having its systems thinking moment 14.04.2026 26:54
Every company right now is asking: how does AI affect my position? It is a reasonable question. It is just not the important one. The important question is: what are the load-bearing principles that make your current business model possible? It's not your product. It's not your competitive moat. It's the larger system around it. Based on an article with the same title, published on our substack: b...
The Hidden Logic Behind Trump's Chaos 31.03.2026 27:28
Most conversations about change give you two options: fix what's broken, or aim for something better. But what if the system itself needs to be inverted? That is what the third view is about. Each episode we take something complex, break it down into its foundational principles, that we call ‘essences’ and ask: what becomes possible once they are inverted? We published a Substack article arguing t...
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