Different with Steve Chalke and Jill Rowe

In this episode of the Different podcast, I talk with Steve Chalke about shame and guilt. We chat about an experience at an AA meeting, and what a revelation it was of honesty and hope. We explore how shame can cause us to feel unworthy and even paralyse us. Guilt, on the other hand, we see can motivate and move us towards transformation, and making amends. And together we explore more about belie...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about why lament really matters, especially when we are surrounded on every side by seeming chaos. and the 24 hour news cycle. We chat about how to find our way when things seem out of control. And we think about discovering a healthy practice of lemon, through which we can help and support one another. As we go through disruption....

In this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about the human instinct to keep our distance from what is hard or challenging or doesn’t make sense. Via talk of playing hockey, having asthma, and wondering how God would figure in a game of Top Trumps, we chat about the way some beliefs leave us unable to manage the joy and pain of life and actually cause us harm rather than help...

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalke and I explore how are struggle to like and love others is connected to our struggle to like and love ourselves. We talk about the work of the philosopher, Martin Buber, and reflect on a tweet from Elmo of Sesame Street fame. We explore the impact that knowing we are loved by others can have on what we believe about ourselves. And, reflecting on...

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalke and I continue our conversation about how we can bring an end to the descending spiral of violence through the building of diverse, inclusive community wherever we are, recognising our absolute need as human beings to belong to and with others. It's built into our DNA and it’s what it means to be fully human and flourishing. So, - it’s interdep...

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalke and I explore how all behaviour is communication. We dive into the news, trying to make sense of what is happening now by seeing how trauma impacts individuals and whole people groups. We recognise how trauma that we don’t deal with deals with us. And we try to work out how we can surface trauma, talking and listening to the pain on both sides...

I'm Jill Rowe, and in this episode of the different podcast, Steve Chalke and I chat about forgiveness and grudges. We talk openly and honestly about times in our own lives when forgiveness has been something we have made our way to. Having realised that unforgiveness was toxic, we describe how forgiveness is in fact a gateway to freedom and come to see that Jesus was inviting us to discover our o...

In this episode of the different podcast, I talk with Steve Chalke about his new book, A Manifesto for Hope. We discuss how the systems that are meant to help people are failing. We look all the way back to the Beveridge Report, a revolution that laid out how to create social equality through partnership between government, the voluntary sector and local communities. Right at its core, Steve makes...

This one begins with cashew nuts, e-bikes, and shopping trolleys and we soon find ourselves talking about ethics – and the granular decisions we make day in, day out. We reflect on the gap we notice and dissonance we feel when who we want to be and the us that shows up sometimes feel too far apart. We celebrate how we can lean in and take note of our internal correcting mechanism we have, which ma...

"My name is Jill Rowe and in this episode Steve Chalke and I talk about the life lessons we can pick up from learning to swim. We unpack the daring involved in making bold statements and big moves but how such daring also shows up in the small things too. We think about the wonder of courage and also its cost, reflecting on how it always moves us and the story forward. We consider how failure is t...

I’m Jill Rowe and in this episode Steve Chalke and I dive into some of the misunderstandings about God and what those misunderstandings lead to. We talk about God not being angry and Jesus not being a Christian. We uncover that Jesus invited people to a way of life and a way of love. We hear some wisdom from a Chief Rabbi and dare to imagine what can happen if we flipped our thinking on its head....

I’m Jill Rowe and in this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about pivotal moments and pivotal people. We reflect on those relationships and people who have shaped us and even altered the trajectory of our lives. We talk about tributes at funerals and the legacy we can create. And we discuss how interdependence is vital for all of us to flourish, rooted in glorious diversity...

I’m Jill Rowe and in this episode Steve Chalke and I share a latte and get to grips with talking about the justice system. We discuss the revolution which is Oasis Restore – a secure school enabling young people to live their best lives, through education well-being & hope. We care for children aged 12-18 who are on remand and sentenced to custody by the courts. We talk about the power of rest...

In this episode Jill Rowe and David Bailey talk about the life changing things that can be learnt from a massage. They discuss how we can make wellbeing a part of the everyday, rather than a mountain we have to climb. They also ask how at times we need to make the call to prioritise our wellbeing, rather than putting it on the line. Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander ( Me...

In part two of this conversation, Steve Chalke continues his conversation with David Bailey about his book ‘The Lost Message of Paul’. They continue to wrestle with some the big questions that arise from St. Paul’s words and writings and help us to understand how we can learn from him about inclusion and being followers of the way of Jesus. This episode was recorded back in 2019. Our title music i...

This is the first of a special two-parter where Steve Chalke chats about his book ‘The Lost Message of Paul’ with David Bailey. They get serious with some big questions about what it was that St. Paul had to say. They discuss how his words and writings have been interpreted and understood and the impact they have had on those who often find themselves left standing alone at the margins. This episo...

In this episode Jill Rowe and David Bailey talk about the trials of a driving test and how shame can shape us. All of us mess up and fail - so why do we struggle so much to be honest? Why does failure have such a grip on us, why are we ashamed of it and why does it affect us so badly? We may be tempted to push all these moments away, but by being honest we find a way forward that is liberating as...

In this episode Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about why we all long for certainty only to discover that uncertainty and the ground shifting is where the answers are found. What might we do when we experience a dark night of the soul and how we can make sense of some of the tough stuff that happens to us all. Doubt and the importance of asking questions are at the heart of this thought-provoking...

In this episode Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about anger, beauty and love and how we might understand what is going on in the news cycle. We then jump right into chatting about disgrace and those who had a cheeky smoke between the sermon and communion and how grace won the day. Grace upon grace upon grace. Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander ( Message to Bears ). This p...

In this episode Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke discuss the way of the rabbi and the power of dust; how discomfort is integral to our growth and reaching the point of knowing we are part of something bigger than just us, with our lives becoming a line in an unfolding story. Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander ( Message to Bears ). This podcast is powered by Oasis . Edited and m...

In this first episode of our new podcast, Jill Rowe talks to Steve Chalke about his experience of standing in the bike sheds as a kid and being told the facts of life. Jill also shares the truth about the tragic death of a fish. Through these and other stories, we discover what our contribution to the world can be, leaning into the power and wonder of defining moments. And at the same time, explor...

We’d like to introduce you to a new podcast. It’s called Different . But why different? You know how when you’re wearing sunglasses it puts a tint on everything? Or if you wear glasses you see some things in focus and others out of focus? Well, we all have lenses on the inside of our head too. And they tint, colour and shape everything we see, think and understand. So, on this podcast Steve Chalke...