Different with Steve Chalke and Jill Rowe

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about what on earth being Christ-centered means, as an organization and at an individual level. They explore the misconception that Jesus was Christian and dive deeply into the way of life all humanity is invited to live, loving God and loving others as we love ourselves. They talk about what a Christ-centered movement loo...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about reclaiming kindness. They discuss the impact of choosing kindness over hate, and the life-changing power it has on health and well-being. They celebrate the sheer enormity of kindness and generosity in the world. Despite the media causing us to think kindness has gone missing, and they think through the ways that rec...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about getting to 'the thing behind the thing'. They discuss how easy it is to not go upstream and discover the root causes of the challenges we can face, both personally and societally. They explore how we can get trapped in a cycle of reacting rather than finding lasting solutions and building the inclusion and belonging...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about what on earth prayer is and how they can make sense of it in a chaotic and unpredictable world where so much just seems wild. They discuss how misunderstood prayer can be and explore the richness of it as a practise and and a way of life. They think of it as an exercise for transforming our thinking rather than twist...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about grief and loss. They acknowledge that this is an experience that we all go through and is such a, part of the roller coaster of life. They know joy and pain, loss and gain, celebration and sadness. So together, they chat about how we can navigate all of this, helping one another, from what can feel like utter lostnes...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about the questions we ask trying to find home. They discuss those searching questions that have been asked for thousands of years. Questions of human longing: Am I of worth? Do I matter? Is there a God? And does that God love me? They recognise just how important it is to stop and notice these curious longings when we are...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about how God can get hijacked for violence and war. Theye end up exploring how sacred texts can be so easily misinterpreted. And they discuss how important it is for anyone who reads and references them to interrogate them and do the hard work of understanding. And they uncover, how, when we understand the books of the Bi...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about some major misconceptions. It all starts with an experience walking down Oxford Street and being left with a multitude of questions. They dive into words like repent and sinner and what they meant at the time of Jesus in 1st century Palestine. They talk about the courage to think differently and to challenge our assu...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about raising one another's humanity. They discuss the need to face up to the dehumanising that we see in society and the impact when othering starts and blame is directed towards those who are different to us. They explore together just how powerful it is to know people by name, to listen to and learn about their storey,...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about joy as an act of resistance. When things feel despairing, we can still seek out joy. Being able to dwell in joy takes planning and intention, and in time, what we do deliberately becomes second nature to us. Even when surrounded by despair, whether it’s eating together, singing together or serving together, joy can b...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about great expectations. They chat through how we can get stuck in maintenance, creating dependency rather than challenging injustice and reaching for progress. They think about how vital it is to not settle, but to keep pushing for the fullest of lives as we live into our God given potential, living at our peak, loving G...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about finding our way in uncertainty. How do they handle it? How do they find a way of living with and within, ambiguity? Together, they talk about fears and wonderings and remember that listening to one another really matters. Holding on to those around us brings us strength and courage, especially because things don't al...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about what happens when the computer says no and when process becomes their priority at the expense of their relationships with one another. Doing this can make us slow rather than helping us to be nimble, able to flex and, move forward to achieve vision and mission. So together they explore how vital it is that all proces...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about resilience. They uncover that resilience can be good and bad and can take many forms. So what ultimately matters are the values and beliefs that our resilience is rooted in. Ultimately, they can't discuss resilience without talking about our motives that are driving us, they think through what our resilience will loo...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about how to become a person who is trusted by others. Trust takes a long time and it's all built on the foundation of good relationship. They explore how trust is like money in the bank that we accrue and can spend. And most significantly, they recognise that becoming a trustworthy person means means being authentic, doin...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about beginning a new year. Instead of resolutions, they think about setting goals, about what they will do and how they will be. They explore how vital intention is and how they can enjoy the gift of each day so that they live life so well, with depth and faith and hope and love. So this day, how might they use it? How wi...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke all about thought traps, about getting stuck in a loop of thinking we just can't get out of. They talk about when we get caught in a survival mindset and how it triggers our anger, frustration and fear. And they discuss how the best chance we have is to connect and take care of one another. Hope is not found in fight and d...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about why developing inner core strength and refusing to take shortcuts matters so much. They discuss steadiness, balance and resilience and how these come about through hard work and practise exercising the spiritual and emotional muscles needed to thrive. It's tempting to take shortcuts, but stepping out of our comfort z...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about the importance of rites of passage, how marking moments helps us to navigate life and to thrive. We consider how the absence of such markers can leave us adrift, susceptible and without a sense of true north. And we miss the beautiful invitation to an ongoing journey of growth. We see the value of developing practise...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke all about how we can create beauty out of brokenness. Together, they explore the philosophy held within the art of kintsugi. And they recognise that we can often live life pursuing perfection, desperate for a life without scars. And we can have an insatiable appetite for both being and looking perfect. Yet by changing our...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke all about the power of trust and the need for honesty. They begin, though, with love and discuss how this is the foundation to it all. They chat about the importance of intent and motivation when honesty is at play and genuinely wanting the best for others. We owe it to people to be honest with them. Whether it's at work,...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke all about learning. We discuss how learning needs to be deep and goes far beyond just remembering facts. We all need to grow wisdom, too. We talk about the richness of neurodiversity rather than neuroformity. And we see the wonder and necessity of the invitation to all of us to go deeper and deeper in our learning for the...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about the importance of waging peace and not war. For that to happen, we all need to see the vital importance of really listening to others. We simply have to listen and we recognise that, in truth, we only win when we all win, we can learn to not let anger get hold of and grip us, and as the brilliant Desmond Tutu said, i...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke all about the wonder of ambiguity, starting from observing a Spanish Town Square in a power cut, all the way to how we can develop the ability to find our way in the dark when we aren't feeling sure at all.  So much of life is navigated in ambiguity. So together, we chat about how we can grow to not despise it, but we...

In this second part of 'Beyond the Barricades', Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about standing with courage in the face of fear as we speak and stand up for justice, compassion, and inclusion. Together, we explore how power can be so enticing for all of us. And we remind ourselves that we must speak out even when our voice is shaken, shaking, and even when we think we might lose it all. Respondi...