Jessie Sage
When We're Not Hustling: Sex Workers Talking About Everything But
When We’re Not Hustling is a twice-monthly podcast that explores the lives and identities of sex workers outside our personas. Each episode features a long-form interview with a sex worker, where we talk about everything but work: personal philosophies, ambitions, family, relationships, passions, hobbies, mental and physical health, identity, spirituality, meaning-making, and more. On this show, we learn who sex workers are outside of the work they are known for. When We’re Not Hustling is an exploration of the people behind the fantasies.
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Episodes
S3 E12: I Needed to Do Something With My Hands—Now I Make Custom Leather Harnesses with Mia Walsch 24.03.2025 53:47
In this special crossover episode of When We're Not Hustling and Hobby Whores, Jessie Sage speaks with Mia Walsch, an Australian leatherworker and former sex worker, about her journey into leather crafting during the extended lockdowns in Melbourne. The conversation explores Mia's transition from sex work to a creative outlet that became a side hustle, as she intricately crafts leather harnesses a...
S3 E11: What Does It Mean to Be Human? More Importantly, What Does It Mean to Have Humanity? with Zalika 17.03.2025 1:08:19
In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage speaks with Zalika U. Ibaorimi, PhD, about the complex intersections of race, gender, and sex work. They discuss how Blackness disrupts conventional categories of identity and the limitations of the term "sex worker" in encompassing the diverse experiences within the sex industry. The conversation delves into the historical and systemic dehum...
S3 E10: What Do Mobile Peepshows, Burlesque and Non Profits Have in Common? Ruby 10.03.2025 1:03:10
In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage speaks with Ruby about her extensive work with the Peers Victoria Resources Society, a nonprofit supporting sex workers in Victoria, BC. Ruby shares insights into the organization's history and services, such as night outreach and harm reduction programs. She discusses the challenges sex workers face, including legal issues under the Nordic m...
S3 E9: I'm an Immigrant Six Times Over, and My Heart Helps Me Find a Sense of Home with Savannah 03.03.2025 1:00:19
In this episode of When We're Not Hustling , Jessie Sage interviews Savannah, a UK-based full-service sex worker turned webcam model and contemporary artist. Savannah discusses her self-care guide for sex workers, emphasizing the importance of acknowledging sex workers as full people with complex lives beyond their jobs. She shares how art has helped her find a sense of home and belonging as an im...
S3 E8: I Am a Pro Domme and a Pro Wrestler—I Like to Play the Heel with Katarina 24.02.2025 1:03:33
In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, host Jessie Sage and guest Katarina "The Domme Kat" Pierce delve into her journey from TV production and journalism to becoming a co-founder of the Sex Work Survival Guide, a nonprofit providing crucial resources and education to sex workers. The conversation covers the challenges and stigmas within the sex industry, the importance of safety and communit...
S3 E7: I Make Art From Bones and I Like Homesteading, Too with Miss Faith Rae 17.02.2025 54:00
In this episode of the When We're Not Hustling podcast, host Jessie Sage welcomes Ms. Faith Rae, a Canadian sex worker and multidisciplinary artist. The conversation explores Faith's life outside her work persona, delving into her passions for sustainability and art. Faith shares her unique craft of creating art with ethically sourced animal bones, a practice that connects her with nature and offe...
S3 E6: Stripping and Cam Modelling Isn't as Fun as Making Instant Noodles with Steph Sia 10.02.2025 1:07:21
In this episode of When We're Not Hustling , host Jessie Sage sits down with Steph Sia, a multidisciplinary artist and content creator from Vancouver, to discuss her diverse experiences in the adult industry. As a stripper, podcaster, and online content creator, Sia shares insights into balancing work and personal life while navigating the challenges and misconceptions surrounding sex work. The co...
S3 E5: The Most Taboo Subject in the World Isn't Sex, It's Perimenopause 03.02.2025 1:03:33
In S3 E5 of When We're Not Hustling , Jessie Sage sits down with Jet Setting Jasmine, an award-winning adult film director, psychotherapist, and master fetish trainer, to discuss perimenopause, evolving identities, and the challenges of navigating life, family, and sex work with autonomy and care. They explore the impact of bodily changes, the importance of boundary-setting, and Jasmine's unique a...
S3 E4: I'm No Longer the Object of Men's Desires—I'm the Subject of My Own Story with Suzannah Weiss 27.01.2025 57:43
In this episode of When We're Not Hustling , host Jessie Sage sits down with Suzanna Weiss, a sexologist and author of Subjectified: Becoming a Sexual Subject . Weiss shares her journey toward sexual empowerment, beginning with overcoming an eating disorder tied to societal objectification and evolving through experiences like sex parties and sex writing. Her book challenges traditional narratives...
S3 E3: Urban Warriors Sometimes Carry Seeds and Scythes with Xanthe Rhea 20.01.2025 1:06:05
In this episode of When We're Not Hustling , Jessie Sage sits down with long-time friend Xanthe Rhea to discuss her journey from stripping to full-service sex work. Xanthe shares insights into the financial pressures dancers face, including the challenges of "pay-to-work" club systems, and how these experiences shaped her transition within the industry. Beyond sex work, the conversation explores X...
S3 E2: Polyamory Works for Me, as Long as It's for Me, with Delphine 13.01.2025 59:28
In this episode of When We're Not Hustling , host Jessie Sage talks with Delphine, a full-service sex worker from the San Francisco Bay Area, about polyamory, non-monogamy, and balancing work with personal life. Delphine, who identifies as solo poly, shares how her approach to relationships emphasizes autonomy, personal growth, and creative expression. The conversation explores the challenges of d...
S3 E1: Men at Work: The Trans Masc Experience in Sex Work with Jack Parker 06.01.2025 1:06:27
In this conversation, Jessie Sage interviews Jack Parker , a writer and sex worker, about his experiences and the creation of the anthology Working Guys: A Transmasculine Sex Worker Anthology , which features stories from transmasculine sex workers. They discuss the diverse experiences within sex work, the importance of representation, and the impact of the anthology on the community. In this Epis...
S2 E23: The Life of the Mind, Season 2 Roundtable 09.12.2024 1:23:07
In this special roundtable episode wrapping up Season 2 of When We're Not Hustling , host Jessie Sage, producer Emily Foster, and guests Aviva Ruse, Amber Délice, and Madeleine Blair dive into the complexities of the mind. They discuss the connection between the brain, emotions, and personal experiences, exploring how the mind processes thoughts and feelings while balancing mental and physical exp...
S2 E22 AP: I'm a Dominatrix With a PhD, and There's a Lot of Us 04.12.2024 46:11
In the Season 2 finale of When We're Not Hustling , Jessie Sage, Emery Fields, and Emily Foster come together for an Afterparty episode to reflect on Olivia Snow's interview. They discuss her insights on surveillance and sex work, the challenges of balancing personal and professional identities, and the complexities of the industry. The conversation also explores the idea of sex work as a queer id...
S2 E22: I'm a Dominatrix With a PhD, and There's a Lot of Us, With Olivia Snow 02.12.2024 1:06:29
In this episode of When We're Not Hustling , Jessie Sage interviews Olivia Snow, a writer, professor, and dominatrix, to discuss the intersections of academia, labor rights, and the surveillance of sex workers. Olivia shares insights from her research on algorithmic surveillance and how technology, particularly smartphones, profiles sex workers. The conversation delves into themes of class, labor,...
S2 E21 AP: Living in a Van and Doing Psychedelics Changed My Life 27.11.2024 46:17
In this episode of *When We're Not Hustling After Party*, Jessie Sage, Emery Fields, and Emily Foster discuss the appeal of van life and the challenges of minimal living. Emery shares his dream of a U.S. road trip and a simplified lifestyle, while Jessie reflects on her own experiences with van living, including the difficulties of maintaining cleanliness in small spaces. They explore the emotiona...
S2 E21: Living in a Van and Doing Psychedelics Changed My Life with Sinn Sage 25.11.2024 1:12:35
In this episode of When We're Not Hustling , Jessie Sage welcomes Sinn Sage, a longtime content creator and AVN Hall of Famer. Sinn shares her unique journey in the sex industry, from her early days as a stripper to producing indie porn and collaborating with her husband. The conversation explores her adventurous lifestyle, including living in a van, and her experiences with psychedelic medicine a...
S2 E20 AP: I Throw Sex Parties, and There's No Boys Allowed 20.11.2024 34:24
In this When We're Not Hustling After Party episode, hosts Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, and Emery Fields discuss Josie Oakley's episode, highlighting her dedication to organizing safe, inclusive sex-positive events and her activism with SWOP Pittsburgh. They explore how Josie's work extends beyond event planning, advocating for reduced penalties for prostitution to make sex work safer and more acces...
S2 E20: I Throw Sex Parties, and There's No Boys Allowed with Josie Oakley 18.11.2024 50:29
In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, host Jessie Sage sits down with Josie Oakley, a Pittsburgh-based escort and advocate. Josie discusses her personal journey and her efforts to create safer, more inclusive spaces, including organizing "No Boys Allowed" sex parties. These events prioritize safety, consent, and community, providing a much-needed refuge from the presence of cis men. Josie al...
S2 E19: The Holy Hour Book Launch Special Live Episode 11.11.2024 2:43:15
In a special live episode, When We're Not Husting collaborates with Stay Gold Books , Working Girls Press , and SWOP Pittsburgh to celebrate the launch of Working Girls Press's debut anthology, The Holy Hour: An Anthology of Sex, Work, Magic, and the Divine . The event features impactful readings from the anthology, alongside discussions on the intersections of sex work, spirituality, and identity...
S2 E18 AP: I'm a Proud Bed-Rotter, and I Think Everyone Should Try It 06.11.2024 35:45
In this episode of When We're Not Hustling: The Afterparty , hosts Jesse Sage, Emily Foster, and guest host Emery Fields discuss the concept of "bedrotting," inspired by a recent episode featuring Lana Hart—a New York City-based stripper, writer, sex worker, and stand-up comic. In her article for the Tryst Blog titled "Hobby Whores," Lana describes "bedrotting" as the intentional act of lying in b...
S2 E18: I'm a Proud Bed-Rotter, and I Think Everyone Should Try It with Lana Hart 04.11.2024 41:01
In this special crossover episode with Tryst blog's "Hobby Whores" column, host Jessie Sage sits down with Lana Hart, a sex worker, comedian, and writer, to explore the concept of "bed rotting." Described as the act of lying in bed to recharge and care for oneself, bed rotting is framed as an essential form of self-care—especially for those in demanding professions like sex work. Together, Lana an...
S2 E17 AP: I'm Happier, Wealthier, and More Satisfied Single 30.10.2024 34:07
In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling: The After-Party," the hosts explore the themes of singlehood, societal expectations, and the importance of friendships through the lens of Gem DeMilo's story. Gem, who has chosen to remain intentionally single after past relationships, sheds light on the societal pressure to prioritize romantic relationships and how she values friendships instead. The d...
S2 E17: I'm Happier, Wealthier, and More Satisfied Single with Gem DeMilo 28.10.2024 58:24
Host Jessie Sage sits down with Gem DeMilo for a heartfelt discussion about redefining fulfillment beyond romantic partnerships. Gem opens up about her solo journeys to Mexico City and Iceland, sharing how travel has deepened her life's meaning and enriched her sense of self. Together, they explore the importance of close friendships, the unique joys of single life, and the ways society's expectat...
S2 E16 AP: It's Not Funny to Get Punched in the Face, but I Do It Anyway 16.10.2024 34:27
In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling: The After-Party," the hosts discuss Kaytlin Bailey, a multifaceted individual who has significantly influenced the podcasting, sex work, and activist communities. Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, and Milk Glass delve into Kaytlin's extensive contributions, including her critical feedback shaping the show's messaging that sex work is legitimate work. They also...
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