Verse
Verse Talks
Discussing the latest news in digital art with Leyla Fakhr and Jamie Gourlay.
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Episodes
Natalie Stone and Shane Lavalette: The next chapter of CryptoPunks, collecting against the trend and curation as the new PFP 27.06.2025 1:10:19
This week we sat down with former General Manager of CryptoPunks and founder of StoneWork Natalie Stone, and artist, gallerist and broker Shane Lavalette. We unpack Stone's journey into NFTs, Node’s Punks acquisition, and the enduring passion of the community as well as the evolution of curation and collector identity, Shane's thought process when looking at an artist's body of work...
Tyler Hobbs: navigating the traditional and digital worlds, prioritising the art, and dealing with the effect of a legacy 20.06.2025 1:18:20
We sat down this week with long-form generative pioneer Tyler Hobbs to explore Day Gardens, his new body of work released with La Collection at Art Basel this week. They dive into the balance between personal life and artistic career, and the future of generative art in a rapidly changing landscape, as well as the effect of audience expectations and market dynamics on a creative practice. 00:50 -...
Erik Swahn: inside Soma 18.06.2025 41:22
Jamie and Leyla sit down with artist Erik Swahn in advance of his upcoming series Soma. They discuss his artistic evolution, the impact of attention on creativity, and the relationship between colour and music. The conversation delves into the title and concept of Soma, as well as Erik's thoughts on the future of his artistic practice. 01:10 - Welcome Erik Swahn 02:40 - The effect of attent...
Sofia Garcia: the birth of ARTXCODE, building relationships and the future of art 13.06.2025 1:39:57
Jamie and Leyla sit down with Sofia Garcia to explore her journey through digital art, from the early days of ARTXCODE and building lasting relationships, to navigating the 2021 hype and envisioning the future of art in the age of the internet. 1:00 - Welcome Sofia Garcia 05:25 - The birth of ARTXCODE 10:50 - Selling works at CADAF and the first mint 17:10 - Finding an organic aesthetic in the...
Making markets, creating value and building for the long-term 06.06.2025 1:35:28
Jay, Jamie, Ivan and Leyla sit down together and examine the markets growing optimism, gallery models, transparency and creating value and confidence for both artists and collectors. 01:00 - Jay's summer break 05:53 - Twitter toxicity and curating your social feeds 09:30 - The market's heating up 15:40 - Speculation vs desire 18:30 - The confidence speculation can inspire in a...
Ciphrd & Cosimo from fx(hash): open-form, $FXH, art coins and the importance of an open platform 30.05.2025 2:07:05
Jamie, Ivan and Leyla sit down with Ciphrd and Cosimo from fxhash to explore their new Open-form protocol, the launch of the $FXH token and how the two platforms differ in their approaches. 00:50 - Welcome Ciphrd and Cosimo 03:17 - Digging into art coins 09:50 - Token mechanics and pricing mechanisms 12:08 - A new method of patronage 17:25 - Speculation and new market participants 21:02 - The...
Snowfro: democratising art, navigating success and the realities of gatekeeping 23.05.2025 1:55:56
Welcoming Erick Calderon aka Snowfro, to discuss all things generative, Art Blocks, Generative Goods, the difficulty of wearing multiple hats, the weight of people's expectations and dealing with competition in the space. 01:02 - Welcome Snowfro 01:40 - Bringing the energy and shaping culture 03:45 - The headspace of a founder vs an artist 05:25 - Being pulled in different directions...
Beeple: 69 problems but p*nises ain't one 16.05.2025 1:10:58
Jay, Ivan, Leyla and Jamie sit down with Beeple to discuss the importance of authenticity, virality, the role of galleries in web3 and the responsibility of curatorial uplift in an attention economy. 00:50 - Welcome Beeple 01:33 - Avoiding burnout and connecting with an audience 04:30 - Looking back across an artistic practice 06:06 - When is a work finished and the exploratory role of an arti...
Phantom Scribbler: are aesthetics dead, the social stickiness of NFTs, memetic value and an impulsive approach to art 09.05.2025 1:34:56
A conversation with legendary collector and timeline provocateur Phantom Scribbler. We dive into memes, the social impact of NFTs, the importance of concept & narrative in artworks and the death of aesthetics. 01:30 - The state of the market 05:47 - New additions and a rising floor 08:20 - Welcome Phantom Scribbler 09:15 - The effect of price action 10:40 - Phantom's introduction to...
Adam Berninger: Heft, physical spaces for the digital community, institutional vs influencer gatekeeping and the culture casino 02.05.2025 2:02:45
Jay, Ivan, Jamie and Leyla sit down with Adam Berninger of Tender and Heft Gallery to dive into Heft's opening, the realities of opening a physical space, artist-gallery relationships, the culture casino and institutional vs influencer gatekeeping. 01:38 - Welcome Adam Berninger 03:50 - The relationship between Tender and Heft 07:49 - What inspired the move to a physical gallery model 12...
A conversation with Kenny Schachter, plus Sketchbook B, Zora's content coins and Rodeo's USD pivot 25.04.2025 2:01:50
Kenny Schachter joins Leyla, Jay, Jamie & Ivan to discuss NFT-ism, technology, criticism and all things art before diving into Sketchbook B, content coins and Rodeo's pivot to USD. 01:00 - Welcome Kenny Schachter 03:20 - Building an audience in a pre-internet world 06:30 - Embracing authenticity and integrity 09:00 - Art as a means of social expression 12:49 - Closed mindedness in the a...
Jack Butcher: this episode may or may not be notable 18.04.2025 1:39:33
This week Jack Butcher joins Jamie, Leyla and Jay to discuss, the power of a network, Systems art, the internet's huge creative unlock, the value of independence and whether 'Artist' is a dead word. 00:50 - Welcome Jack Butcher 03:46 - Jack's practice in his own words 05:56 - Don't over think it 07:32 - Design vs Art 10:11 - Systems art and the internet as a canvas ...
Toxic positivity within the space, are panel discussions boring? Leyla's wallet boycott, Jack Kaido and SuperRare 12.04.2025 1:25:19
01:20 - Recap on William Mapan's SOLOS exhibition in London 05:00 - Mapan's holistic artistic approach 07:40 - Are discussion panels boring 14:20 - Embracing browser discrepancies 22:00 - The artist's intent vs breaking emerging standards 28:15 - Leyla's wallet boycott 33:10 - Jack Kaido and SuperRare 43:07 - Diving into Holly's collection 47:37 - Toxic positivity an...
The Deviates secret revealed (SPOILERS), Chat GPT's Ghibli moment and life with personalised slop machines 04.04.2025 58:24
00:58 - The Deviates aftermath 02:15 - Unpacking the process 03:45 - The secret 06:40 - Driving variety and collaboration 10:50 - Battling platform censorship 13:50 - The reveal 16:45 - Great art can come from anywhere 20:20 - Self-expression and acceptance 23:15 - Deviations and community 24:18 - Permanence and provenance 27:09 - Personalised slop machines 35:40 - ChatGPT and the next...
Opening the sketchbook: A conversation with William Mapan 28.03.2025 1:04:30
01:22 - A complex practice 05:30 - Reflecting on Sketchbook A 09:50 - Parenthood on creativity 12:15 - Slowing down and escaping a framework 16:00 - Building bridges and the importance of physical work 19:48 - The evolution of Sketchbook B and Etudes 26:05 - Immersed in the process 27:33 - The completion of the sketchbook 31:20 - Mark making, self-exploration and identity 34:35 - Dealing...
Blue chip art in a red chip world, Jeff Magid and traditional perspectives, converging towards consensus 21.03.2025 2:02:17
01:30 - Jeff Magid 08:50 - Discovering another world 16:25 - Becoming a collector 19:15 - Risks and rewards 24:35 - Breaking convention 28:40 - The future of the art world and digital art 36:19 - Value creation and a complex market 39:55 - Stagnation and exclusivity 44:27 - Welcoming new participants 48:40 - Where digital art is going wrong 57:27 - The stigma of the PFP 1:00 - An outsid...
Hot deals or falling knives, the pullback and its cultural impact, thinking about historical context 14.03.2025 55:50
01:03 - Hunting for deals 02:47 - A market slump's effect on cultural enthusiasm 06:40 - Reassessing pricing and expanding the collector base 10:10 - Buying the top and catching falling knives 14:26 - Managing liquidity 15:46 - Navigating the market as an artist 19:22 - New mediums, new metas and perspectives 24:04 - Approaching historical context as a curator 32:15 - Watching the exi...
The Giraffe, pretension vs fun, building in the space and the team's 2 ETH picks 07.03.2025 1:26:33
03:00 - The Giraffe, debate, drama and narrative 07:37 - Understanding and the value of participation 11:19 - Pretension vs fun 16:15 - Freedom of expression and new value systems 22:43 - The Funny Guys, Monk Antony and Le Random 25:48 - Historic importance 30:00 - Research, criticality and ignoring hype 32:50 - Diving into Kaloh's tweet - the team's 2 ETH picks 46:30 - The diffic...
A conversation with Alejandro Cartagena, competition and collaboration, curating AI Agents and the power of machine artists 28.02.2025 1:39:52
01:40 - Embracing Web3's rollercoaster 03:20 - Navigating the intensity and finding a balance 07:57 - Living parallel lives 10:20 - Understanding new value systems and cultural shifts 14:14 - Opportunities within a lack of bureaucracy 18:00 - What denotes importance 27:00 - Grace's Tweet, competition and platform collaboration 30:20 - AI curation, Fellowship's north star and...
Unpacking Geometric Fluidity, concept vs aesthetics, SuperRare's Discord closure 21.02.2025 1:22:41
01:45 - Unpacking Geometric Fluidity 04:28 - First steps and markers 06:52 - Community, creation and curation 09:58 - Proof of participation 12:00 - Tensions and criticism 16:25 - Building conversations 20:29 - Over indexing on complexity 24:25 - The Future of Man 26:48 - Collector interaction 29:45 - Artistic merit vs market value 40:00 - Emperor's new clothes and conceptual gymnast...
Botto post-performance, the Christie's letter, art vs slop 14.02.2025 44:52
01:02 - Big sales and moving beyond the bubble 02:27 - Considered acquisitions 04:15 - Botto evolution and the afterlife of the work 07:09 - Thoughts on the performance and the final 22 13:41 - Community, interaction and curation 18:15 - The open letter to Christie's 21:45 - Art vs Slop 22:40 - The reality of appropriation in a contemporary practice 24:58 - A question of degree 29:50...
Is marketing the new curating, navigating the algorithm, chain dynamics 07.02.2025 55:30
00:40 - The market's impact 03:15 - Chain choices and complexities 12:00 - Early constraints and historic value 15:20 - Is marketing the new curating? 17:15 - Defining curation 19:16 - Communication, context and narrative 23:20 - Differences in approach between the web3 and trad art-worlds 28:06 - Personal connections and interactions 30:06 - Navigating click bait and the algorithm 3...
Simon Hudson on the future of Botto and the power of the DAO 05.02.2025 1:15:11
02:20 - p5 and the evolution of Botto 10:22 - The future of governance and Botto's agency 15:00 - Navigating the new agentic landscape 19:25 - Botto's economy 23:50 - Responsibility, conviction and longevity 25:51 - Simon's motivations 31:50 - The power of the DAO 40:20 - p5.Botto, surprises, parallels and development 48:36 - Possible futures and directions 51:08 - Present...
Mario Klingemann on the evolution of Botto 31.01.2025 1:08:34
02:40 - Building and hacking systems 09:35 - The birth of Botto 14:10 - The importance of the DAO 18:30 - The evolution of Botto in the face of new AI development 20:40 - Botto's persona and longevity 25:30 - Styles, themes and periods 27:53 - The economy of Botto, rewards and incentives 37:45 - The genesis of P5.Botto 41:15 - How the p5.Botto system works 47:50 - The final 22 algori...
AI and the art market, emerging artists, Kim Asendorf's PXL DEX 24.01.2025 1:26:22
01:25 - Crazy season 11:25 - Kim Asendof's PXL and an upward market 21:47 - Thinking about emerging artists 26:25 - Striking a balance 31:26 - Tabor Robak's Tabcorp Labs 36:24 - Verse Rundown 39:16 - Artist Highlights 40:49 - Digital natives and gaming culture 44:22 - Artist Highlights part 2 48:40 - A chat with Jo Lawson-Tancred 50:21 - Is the art world dead? 53:00 - Sceptici...
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