Verse
Verse Talks
Discussing the latest news in digital art with Leyla Fakhr and Jamie Gourlay.
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Episodes
Adrian Pocobelli: from Ballard to digital art 26.09.2025 1:40:32
00:33 - Welcome Adrian Pocobelli 01:39 - Discovering the counterculture 07:10 - The desire to collect 13:05 - The Stone Roses, The Smiths, and J. G. Ballard 19:00 - Neoplatonism and psychedelics 24:30 - Learning the craft of graphic design 26:50 - Becoming a broadcaster 29:05 - Finding crypto, Objkt and Tezos 31:35 - The difference between crypto art and art on the blockchain 34:52 - The...
Sebastian Sanchez: digital art at Christie's, auction models, and the power of relational dynamics 19.09.2025 1:53:34
00:45 - Welcome Sebastian Sanchez 08:55 - A journey into digital art 11:05 - Christie's 3.0 and joining the team 17:44 - Developing a commercial mindset 20:40 - Finding the right market fit 22:30 - Nurturing artist and collector relationships 25:05 - Highlights across the last three years 26:58 - Curatorial vs commercial perspectives 30:18 - The effect of an open market on institution...
Verse round table: Verse secondary auctions, cultural stickiness and trusting the artist 12.09.2025 1:40:56
00:45 - Yeche Lange and Avant Gay recap 05:40 - Series size and collector focus 10:00 - Artist trajectories and release mechanics 13:10 - Art and the Diderot effect 20:10 - Collecting strategies and high-net-worth individuals 24:45 - What if every work was soulbound 28:30 - Cultural stickiness in the face of diluted attention 33:00 - Collecting as self narrative reinforcement 35:28 - Chris...
Eric De Giuli: breaking symmetry 10.09.2025 1:02:03
00:45 - Welcome Eric De Giuli 02:18 - Connecting art and theoretical physics 05:35 - Early explorations into generative art 08:29 - Balancing artistic and academic practices 10:35 - Discovering NFTs, 2021, and Art Blocks 13:05 - Navigating multiple audiences 16:25 - Creating order from nothing 18:55 - Avoiding noise as a structural element 23:50 - Amplifying and controlling unpredictabilit...
Rafaël Rozendaal: opening the door to Rooms 09.09.2025 1:17:37
00:35 - Welcome Rafaël Rozendaal 02:55 - The advantage of a conversational archive 06:21 - The influence of travel and cultural heritage 08:25 - Neen, LA and digital art in the late '90s 12:06 - Growing up in an artistic household 14:32 - Grants, funding and commercial pressure 16:35 - The potential of the early internet 21:00 - Art school and early connections 27:30 - Berlin and Post...
Jared Madere: Galerie Yeche Lange, VVV and the Avant Gay scene 05.09.2025 1:35:46
00:46 - Welcome Jared Madere 03:19 - The genesis of Yeche Lange 09:20 - Market consolidation and post-2021 11:00 - Exploring the role of the gallery in the Web3 space 16:18 - What caused the scene to develop on Solana 18:03 - The growth of community 21:59 - Earl16o1, trader fiction and chart paintings 25:35 - Compatibility with the traditional sphere 31:40 - A new mode of operating for a...
Paul Pfeiffer: the art of the spectacle 04.09.2025 42:49
00:47 - Welcome Paul Pfeiffer 03:07 - The spectacle of sport 07:06 - Exploring the implications of new technology 10:05 - Working with digital media in the early 1990s 14:50 - The blurring of the digital and the human 20:08 - How media consumption has shifted across the last thirty years 23:50 - The stadium as mediatised architecture 30:57 - New work and developing projects Paul Pfeiff...
Verse roundtable: diving into the Solana art trenches, consensus vs. non-consensus, bullposting and long-term value accrual 29.08.2025 51:05
00:48 - Diving into the Solana trenches 07:40 - PFP culture and Drilady 08:50 - Chain-specific culture and why Solana makes sense 14:26 - Parker Ito and the impact of Horses?2 17:00 - A different community of artists and collectors 19:00 - Jay's mid-curve meme 20:34 - Raoul Pal and consensus vs non-consensus 27:40 - Should we all be bullposting? 29:40 - AB[500] and does shuttering enc...
Parker Ito: exploring The Pilgrim’s Living Room Crucifixion; Mona Lisa Hyper-Gamble 28.08.2025 1:24:42
00:38 - Welcome Parker Ito 05:25 - Tumblr, Post-Internet scene and finding community 12:20 - The effect of early success 20:30 - Disillusionment with the art world 24:25 - What caused the market to boom 26:28 - Deep lore, Basel 2015 and Leonardo DiCaprio 30:01 - The compromises needed to work as an artist 33:03 - Through-lines and stylistic tropes 35:10 - A non-hierarchical approach 38:17...
Adam Levine: exploring the Toledo Museum of Art, cultural accessibility, platform sustainability, and why Artie is leaving the space 23.08.2025 1:55:22
00:48 - Welcome Adam Levine 01:15 - What sets the Toledo Museum of Art apart 05:22 - Ensuring the community has access to culture 07:20 - The benefit of private funding 10:10 - TMA's digital program 13:25 - The history and founding principles of the museum 21:20 - An emphasis on craft, skill and aesthetic quality 27:10 - Artist studios, manufacturing and industrial process 31:20 - Inf...
Harm van den Dorpel: Quantizer, algorithmic archeology, and digital preservation 20.08.2025 1:22:03
00:40 - Welcome Harm van den Dorpel 01:35 - Working with plotters 05:06 - Creative beginnings 08:45 - A grounding in early AI 11:20 - From tech to art school 13:50 - The shifting context around digital presentation 16:10 - The development of post-internet art 18:00 - Separating sales and practice 22:40 - Markov's Window 25:00 - Establishing Left gallery and discovering blockchain 30:...
Harm van den Dorpel and Regina Harsanyi (Twitter Spaces): the early days of Club Internet, the ephemerality of time based media and the birth of Quantizer 18.08.2025 46:27
00:44 - Welcome Harm van den Dorpel and Regina Harsanyi 03:05 - Nasty Nets, Club Internet and the early surf clubs 09:05 - Creating context and community through curation 12:40 - Ongoing scepticism around blockchain and NFTs 18:00 - Left Gallery, early blockchain based ownership and speculation 20:10 - The speed of secondary in the digital world 22:00 - On creating Quantizer 27:10 - A true...
Steve McKeon, investing in art, the birth of Glitch and the future of digital culture 15.08.2025 2:00:47
00:35 - Welcome Steve McKeon 02:25 - Navigating the dot-com boom and bust 08:19 - A winding path to tenure 13:20 - Discovering crypto 15:50 - Writing Traditional Asset Tokenisation 19:30 - The birth of Collab+Currency 24:50 - A shift to consumer focus and NFTs 28:30 - Equity vs tokens 33:45 - The Art Blocks [500] 36:15 - Collectibility and end caps 38:05 - Traditional art, sculpture and...
Terence Broad and Luba Elliott: unpacking (un)stable equilibrium 10.08.2025 46:50
03:00 - Luba Elliott on Terence Broad 04:15 - Autoencoding Blade Runner 09:25 - Machine learning in 2016 12:31 - Arriving at the crossroads of technology and art 15:35 - Why Blade Runner? 19:05 - Luba and Terrence's collaboration through Feral File 22:06 - (un)stable equilibrium 25:00 - The conceptual journey behind the work 29:50 - Imperfect copies and more constraints 31:35 - The c...
Roger Dickerman: the origin of 24 Hours of Art, finding a deliberate imbalance and the objectivity of price action 09.08.2025 2:52:40
00:50 - Welcome Roger Dickerman 02:48 - The importance of a physical space 06:02 - Roger's journey into digital art 07:45 - A deliberate imbalance 11:02 - Controlling the bookends 14:15 - The birth of Artifex and 24 Hours of Art 20:25 - Sustainability and longevity 22:35 - Putting the work in and riding out the bear 24:45 - A process of iteration and evolution 28:35 - "One foot...
Eli Scheinman: building context, courting the traditional collector and working with Art Basel 25.07.2025 1:05:07
This week we sat down with seasoned advisor Eli Scheinman to discuss his new role at Art Basel, what’s driving the market’s fresh momentum, how today’s collectors are maturing and how to frame emerging work for a more traditional crowd. 00:50 - Welcome Eli Scheinman 02:39 - Why the market's moving 04:30 - The trickle-down effect of big sales 07:07 - New entrants into the space 09:48 - The...
Nikita Diakur: The strangely beautiful world of Ugly, balancing parallel creative paths and his upcoming SOLOS exhibition 14.07.2025 40:08
This week Leyla sits down with artist and filmmaker Nikita Diakur to explore his journey in the art and film worlds, spotlighting his acclaimed short film 'Ugly'. They dive into the film's themes and the creative process behind it, as well as his artistic identity, experiences with NFTs, and his upcoming exhibition on Verse with SOLOS. 00:40 - Welcome Nikita Diakur 02:20 - Identit...
Natalie Stone and Shane Lavalette: The next chapter of CryptoPunks, collecting against the trend and curation as the new PFP 27.06.2025 1:10:19
This week we sat down with former General Manager of CryptoPunks and founder of StoneWork Natalie Stone, and artist, gallerist and broker Shane Lavalette. We unpack Stone's journey into NFTs, Node’s Punks acquisition, and the enduring passion of the community as well as the evolution of curation and collector identity, Shane's thought process when looking at an artist's body of work...
Tyler Hobbs: navigating the traditional and digital worlds, prioritising the art, and dealing with the effect of a legacy 20.06.2025 1:18:20
We sat down this week with long-form generative pioneer Tyler Hobbs to explore Day Gardens, his new body of work released with La Collection at Art Basel this week. They dive into the balance between personal life and artistic career, and the future of generative art in a rapidly changing landscape, as well as the effect of audience expectations and market dynamics on a creative practice. 00:50 -...
Erik Swahn: inside Soma 18.06.2025 41:22
Jamie and Leyla sit down with artist Erik Swahn in advance of his upcoming series Soma. They discuss his artistic evolution, the impact of attention on creativity, and the relationship between colour and music. The conversation delves into the title and concept of Soma, as well as Erik's thoughts on the future of his artistic practice. 01:10 - Welcome Erik Swahn 02:40 - The effect of attent...
Sofia Garcia: the birth of ARTXCODE, building relationships and the future of art 13.06.2025 1:39:57
Jamie and Leyla sit down with Sofia Garcia to explore her journey through digital art, from the early days of ARTXCODE and building lasting relationships, to navigating the 2021 hype and envisioning the future of art in the age of the internet. 1:00 - Welcome Sofia Garcia 05:25 - The birth of ARTXCODE 10:50 - Selling works at CADAF and the first mint 17:10 - Finding an organic aesthetic in the...
Making markets, creating value and building for the long-term 06.06.2025 1:35:28
Jay, Jamie, Ivan and Leyla sit down together and examine the markets growing optimism, gallery models, transparency and creating value and confidence for both artists and collectors. 01:00 - Jay's summer break 05:53 - Twitter toxicity and curating your social feeds 09:30 - The market's heating up 15:40 - Speculation vs desire 18:30 - The confidence speculation can inspire in a...
Ciphrd & Cosimo from fx(hash): open-form, $FXH, art coins and the importance of an open platform 30.05.2025 2:07:05
Jamie, Ivan and Leyla sit down with Ciphrd and Cosimo from fxhash to explore their new Open-form protocol, the launch of the $FXH token and how the two platforms differ in their approaches. 00:50 - Welcome Ciphrd and Cosimo 03:17 - Digging into art coins 09:50 - Token mechanics and pricing mechanisms 12:08 - A new method of patronage 17:25 - Speculation and new market participants 21:02 - The...
Snowfro: democratising art, navigating success and the realities of gatekeeping 23.05.2025 1:55:56
Welcoming Erick Calderon aka Snowfro, to discuss all things generative, Art Blocks, Generative Goods, the difficulty of wearing multiple hats, the weight of people's expectations and dealing with competition in the space. 01:02 - Welcome Snowfro 01:40 - Bringing the energy and shaping culture 03:45 - The headspace of a founder vs an artist 05:25 - Being pulled in different directions...
Beeple: 69 problems but p*nises ain't one 16.05.2025 1:10:58
Jay, Ivan, Leyla and Jamie sit down with Beeple to discuss the importance of authenticity, virality, the role of galleries in web3 and the responsibility of curatorial uplift in an attention economy. 00:50 - Welcome Beeple 01:33 - Avoiding burnout and connecting with an audience 04:30 - Looking back across an artistic practice 06:06 - When is a work finished and the exploratory role of an arti...
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