Kel & Michelle

Unrelating with Kel & Michelle

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Unrelating is an all new podcast that explores relationships, why we do what we do, and what causes people to "un-relate". Join Kelly & Michelle as they talk to real people about the relationship challenges they face and provide an expert to help them sort it all out. Unrelating is hosted by show producer Kelly Beck and relationship expert Michelle Schafer. Michelle is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist who has been providing individual and couple’s therapy for two decades.    Michelle has her Bachelor’s degree in Biopsychology and Cognitive Science from the University of Michigan and a...

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Kel & Michelle

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Latest episode

Jul 10, 2026

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Episodes

Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Deep Dive Episode 51: Toxic Paralysis-How We Make Sense Of Our Hardships 10.07.2026

In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 51, Michelle discusses a phrase from Stephen's show on how to conceptualize what happens to us. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at  theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spo...

Toxic Relationships And Self-Sabotage: Why We Repeat Cycles 08.07.2026

Kel & Michelle sit down with Dr. Stephen Paul Edwards, author of the book "The Venus Fly Trap: Sex, Lies and Repercussions." Based on his personal journey and life lessons, they discuss how chaos can be a catalyst for transformation and why we repeat cycles like toxic relationships and self-sabotage. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at  the...

Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 50 Deep Dive: Breaking Free from Mad, Sad, Happy 26.06.2026

In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 50 with author Alicia Barr, Michelle busts out the feelings wheel to help you get to the heart of your true emotions. Find a feelings wheel at https://feelingswheel.com/ Find Alicia Barr at aliciabarr.com and @aliciabarrauthor. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at  theunrelatingpodcast@gmail...

Breaking Free From Your Secrets 24.06.2026

We all have secrets. But when is it finally time to tell yours?  Kel and Michelle sit down for a thoughtful provoking conversation with Alicia Barr, author of “More Than A Secret” How A Mistress Broke Free From Her Affair". Alicia talks about her affair and the impact it had on her marriage and life, the psychological and physical impact of living in silence, and how to break free and heal fr...

Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Deep Dive Episode 49: Running Towards The Finish Line 12.06.2026

In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 49 with Matt Fuchs,  we are re-airing our deep dive with therapist Dan Duane. In it, Michelle explores what we can do to be intentional and reflective about our life and death. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at  theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagra...

The Midlife Climax 10.06.2026

Are you dreading middle age and getting older? Dread not! Kel and Michelle sit down with author and researcher Matt Fuchs for an insightful conversation about the classic stereotypes and definitions of midlife crisis, what can cause midlife stressors and ways to manage them, how people's identities may change throughout life, and why the midlife crisis has now become a midlife "climax&qu...

Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 48 Deep Dive: Partners in Clarity - How to Balance True Expectations 29.05.2026

In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 48 featuring Maddison Violet, Michelle talks about how helpful it is to be accurate when voicing your expectations. Find Maddison Violet and Ve Oh Lay Winery @veohlayacres And to ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at  theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram...

Partners In Wine: How To Balance Marriage And A Winery 27.05.2026

Have you ever dreamed of calling all the shots? Kel and Michelle sit down with Maddison Violet, owner of Ve Oh Lay Winery and Farm in Summerland, Canada, to discuss how she and her husband followed their dream and started a winery, the secret to staying connected and supporting each other, navigating difficult conversations as co-owners, and advice for couples who work together or are considering...

Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 47 Deep Dive: Reimagining The Root Cause 15.05.2026

In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle featuring Mark Michaels, Michelle discusses how early relationships impact our attachment to others. In his preprint BINARIES, MULTITUDES, AND BEYOND, available now at markamichaels.com , Mark focuses the lens on his own journey and uses narrative analysis and critique to explore how authority, expertise, and healing are currently defined. h...

Reimagining Therapy 13.05.2026

Ready to reimagine how you’re approaching therapy? Kel and Michelle sit down with writer and conceptual artist Mark Michaels to discuss the problems with traditional therapy and why people may feel disillusioned, both the benefits and the limitations of alternative approaches like psychedelics and A.I. assisted therapy, and how growing up in the 1970’s New York punk scene influenced his work, life...

Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 46 Deep Dive: Are You Just a Teenage Dirtbag, Baby? 01.05.2026

On this week's deep dive of Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 46 with Meehika Barua, Michelle reflects on how young people are having to navigate the world these days. Meehika Barua can be reached at @meehikabarua . To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at  theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrela...

Are You Just A Placeholder? 29.04.2026

Kel and Michelle sit down for a candid and eye-opening conversation with writer Meehika Barua about placeholder partners, why people stay in relationships when their partners show no signs of commitment, when to set the proper dating boundaries and be more selective, and how you can recognize if you’re a placeholder partner or friend to someone else.  Meehika Barua can be reached at @meehikabarua...

Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 45 Deep Dive: Running Towards the Finish Line 17.04.2026

In this deep dive of the episode featuring therapist Dan Duane, Michelle explores what we can do to be intentional and reflective about our life and death. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at  theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHea...

Running Into The Fire 15.04.2026

Kel and Michelle sit down with new psychotherapist Dan Duane, who pivoted from a successful journalism career later in life, for a candid conversation on why men’s attitudes about the therapy profession are shifting, the desire to “run directly into the fire” to help others, and his advice for other men considering similar midlife career pivots. Dan Duane can be found at https://danielduanetherapy...

Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 45 Deep Dive: Could You Be My Neighbor? 03.04.2026

In this Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 45 Deep Dive, Michelle talks about what happens when you start to notice the world through the eyes of someone with different challenges and how we don't need to be afraid of acknowledging the benefits we have. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at  theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instag...

Could You Be Neuro-Sensitive? 01.04.2026

Could you be neuro-sensitive? Kel and Michelle sit down with counselor and educational strategist Judy Lipson to find out! We explore some of the traits and characteristics, techniques and tips for dealing with family and friends with neuro-sensitivities, and why having a neuro-sensitivity could actually be a superpower. Judy Lipson can be found at https://www.spiralwisdom.com/. To ask us a questi...

Accountability and Negativity Bias 18.03.2026

Kel and Michelle discuss why accountability matters and how negativity bias affects our mental health.  We explore how not taking accountability impacts our relationships and the psychological reasons we don’t step up. We also discuss negativity bias, the effects it has on our life, and learn some practical ways that we can minimize exposure and rewire our brain out of a negative loop. To ask us a...

Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 43 Deep Dive: Leaving Old Reactions Behind 06.03.2026

In this Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 43 deep dive, Michelle highlights two themes from Justine's show, exploring regret and being open to improvements. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at  theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/   Check us out on Youtube: https://www.youtube...

Leaving A Career Behind 04.03.2026

Kel and Michelle sit down with Justine, a young professional who has pivoted between multiple diverse careers, to discuss lessons she’s learned, navigating workplace discontentment and dissatisfaction, how she is aligning her work with her values and goals, and how failure can be an important learning experience to help discover your true calling.  To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our n...

Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 42 Deep Dive: The Power Of Awareness 20.02.2026

Top recap Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 41 with Terry, Michelle delves deeper into having us try to understand our responses to adversity so we can enhance our resilience. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at  theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrel...

The Power Of Resilience 18.02.2026

Kel and Michelle sit down with cancer survivor and author Terry Healey for an inspiring conversation about adversity, recovery, and resilience. After a life-threatening cancer left him with a permanent facial difference, Terry talks about how he rebuilt his confidence, discovered the power of gratitude and positivity, and found greater purpose and joy in his life.  Terry Healey is the author of At...

Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 41 Deep Dive: Each Of Us VS The Manosphere 06.02.2026

To recap Unrelating with Kel & Michelle Episode 41, in this deep dive Michelle talks about why it can be hard to take action or accept responsibility in our lives and when we're up against societal challenges. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at  theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast...

Parents Vs. The Manosphere 04.02.2026

Kel and Michelle sit down for a candid and eye-opening conversation with educator and online content creator Abby Eckel about the challenges of raising boys in today’s negative social media landscape, how the manosphere molds young minds, and the proactive roles that parents can play in raising their kids today. Abby Eckel is available at Abbyeckel.com or @abbyeckel. To ask us a question, suggest...

Unrelating with Kel & Michelle Episode 40 Deep Dive: When To Cut Off Your Aches And Pains 23.01.2026

After the Unrelating with Kel & Michelle Episode 40, Michelle does a Deep Dive on a type of therapy mentioned on the show with Sharon that works on the mind-body connection, and how we are physically affected by our feelings and relationships. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at  theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www.in...

When To Cut Off Your Family 21.01.2026

Kel and Michelle sit down with psychotherapist and writer Sharon Kwon to discuss why she decided to cut ties with her parents, navigating difficult parental expectations, how to set clear relationship boundaries, and the dangers of "therapy speak" in social media. Sharon Kwon is the founder of Bodhi Aware Therapy and is available for online therapy at bodhiawaretherapy.com . To ask us a...

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