Kel & Michelle
Unrelating with Kel & Michelle
Unrelating is an all new podcast that explores relationships, why we do what we do, and what causes people to "un-relate". Join Kelly & Michelle as they talk to real people about the relationship challenges they face and provide an expert to help them sort it all out. Unrelating is hosted by show producer Kelly Beck and relationship expert Michelle Schafer. Michelle is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist who has been providing individual and couple’s therapy for two decades. Michelle has her Bachelor’s degree in Biopsychology and Cognitive Science from the University of Michigan and a...
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Kel & Michelle
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Latest episode
Oct 30, 2026
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Episodes
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 59 Deep Dive: The Emotional Maturity 30.10.2026 4:06
To recap Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 59 with researcher William Ballas, Michelle talks about considerations around voting and not voting, and some of the psychological dynamics at play, such as emotional immaturity and accurate value-alignment. William Ballas can be found at https://www.wsballas.com . To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at ...
The Emotional Vote 28.10.2026 55:31
Just in time for the midterm U.S. elections, Kel and Michelle sit down for a thoughtful conversation with William Ballas, researcher and author of the new book "The Architect: Authoritarianism, the Political Mind, and Blueprint for a Better Democracy." They discuss what pollsters get wrong about voters, why voters use emotion and identity before consciously evaluating facts, how online p...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 58 Deep Dive: Learn to Listen to Your Partner's LUST Language 16.10.2026 3:50
In this deep dive for Episode 58 with intimacy expert Susan Bratton, Michelle reflects on a theme from the show about learning what your partner likes and how important that is to the health of your relationship. Susan Bratton can be found at susanbratton.com . To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram;...
Learn To Speak Your Lust Language 14.10.2026 1:16:15
Get ready for an eye-opening conversation when Kel & Michelle sit down with intimacy expert and author Susan Bratton as she introduces us to her FLESH framework for couples, how to openly talk about women’s orgasms, suggestions for couples who feel like their sex life is in a rut, and what true connection looks like. Susan Bratton can be found at susanbratton.com . To ask us a question, sugges...
Ask Us Anything 30.09.2026 46:47
Send us Fan Mail Kel and Michelle answer your questions! First, we tackle how partners can stop keeping score with each other and avoid letting resentment build up. And we welcome back educational consultant and life coach Julia Evans to answer a listener question, what to do if your child rejects going to college. Julia Evans is available @guidepathadvisors. To ask us a question, suggest a topi...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 56 Deep Dive: Growing From Our Accountability 19.09.2026 3:17
Send us Fan Mail In this deep dive, Michelle returns to one of her favorite themes to talk about how to Mind the Gap, like Kirsten discussed on the show. Kirsten Davidson is the owner of Mind The Gaps Psychotherapy in Burlington, Ontario and can be found at @kirsten.davidson or https://mindthegaps.co/therapy-services/ To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at ...
Growing From Our Discomfort 16.09.2026 54:08
Send us Fan Mail Kel and Michelle sit down with psychotherapist Kirsten Davidson to explore the reasons people may struggle connecting with others, what it means to do parts-work, ways to reframe the way we speak to ourselves, and why confronting your own discomfort and addressing your fears can be such a catalyst for personal growth. Kirsten Davidson is the owner of Mind The Gaps Psychotherapy in...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 55 Deep Dive: How To Practice Scaling 04.09.2026 4:47
Send us Fan Mail In this deep dive after Gary Ras's show, Michelle focuses the spotlight on scaling, one of her favorite interventions for understanding and managing your feelings. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unre...
How To Practice EFT Tapping 02.09.2026 53:31
Send us Fan Mail Ever heard of tapping? Get ready for a thought-provoking conversation when Kel & Michelle sit down with Gary Ras, a healer specializing in energy healing techniques. Listen as Gary explains how Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) uses light tapping on your acupuncture points to settle the nervous system, process difficult emotions, and build new patterns of calm and resilience....
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 54 Deep Dive: Reclaiming Your Own Life 21.08.2026 4:20
Send us Fan Mail Based on our show with Machan Taylor, Michelle talks more in depth about abusive relationships and what healthy and safe relationships look like. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotif...
How To Reclaim Your Own Voice 19.08.2026 1:14:37
Send us Fan Mail Kel and Michelle sit down for an intimate and open conversation with Machan Taylor. Having performed with some of the biggest bands in the world, Machan is a singer, songwriter, educator, and author of the memoir "Naked Out Loud." We discuss tracing her path from postwar Japan to New Jersey, finding her voice on some of the world’s biggest stages, wrestling with her iden...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 53 Deep Dive: Transformation After Getting Well 07.08.2026 5:01
Send us Fan Mail In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 53, Michelle touches on how David was able to use skills after he healed that enhance his life, and what we can do to manage our feelings rather than internalize events. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://ww...
Transformation After Trauma 05.08.2026 1:06:09
Send us Fan Mail Kel and Michelle sit down with David Deane Haskell, author of the memoir "Wounded Angels", for a powerful conversation about losing his mother at a young age and the grief, sadness, and self-destructive behavior that followed. David also talks about what led him to start healing, the process of healing, and what skills he uses now to enjoy his life and relationships. &q...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 52 Deep Dive: Finding Your Communication Confidence 24.07.2026 2:58
Send us Fan Mail On this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 52, Michelle expands on a theme from Julia's show about increasing confidence, focusing here on building skills to communicate hard conversations with loved ones. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www....
Finding Your Career Confidence 22.07.2026 1:08:12
Send us Fan Mail It might be summer, but school's in session! Kel and Michelle sit down with educational consultant and life coach Julia Evans to break down how professionals and students can overcome self-doubt, improve their communication skills, and develop confidence. With A.I. beginning to affect our lives and careers, how can we build resilience and stay strong during these challenging...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Deep Dive Episode 51: Toxic Paralysis-How We Make Sense Of Our Hardships 10.07.2026 3:19
In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 51, Michelle discusses a phrase from Stephen's show on how to conceptualize what happens to us. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spo...
Toxic Relationships And Self-Sabotage: Why We Repeat Cycles 08.07.2026 57:39
Kel & Michelle sit down with Dr. Stephen Paul Edwards, author of the book "The Venus Fly Trap: Sex, Lies and Repercussions." Based on his personal journey and life lessons, they discuss how chaos can be a catalyst for transformation and why we repeat cycles like toxic relationships and self-sabotage. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at the...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 50 Deep Dive: Breaking Free from Mad, Sad, Happy 26.06.2026 4:15
In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 50 with author Alicia Barr, Michelle busts out the feelings wheel to help you get to the heart of your true emotions. Find a feelings wheel at https://feelingswheel.com/ Find Alicia Barr at aliciabarr.com and @aliciabarrauthor. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail...
Breaking Free From Your Secrets 24.06.2026 1:00:58
We all have secrets. But when is it finally time to tell yours? Kel and Michelle sit down for a thoughtful provoking conversation with Alicia Barr, author of “More Than A Secret” How A Mistress Broke Free From Her Affair". Alicia talks about her affair and the impact it had on her marriage and life, the psychological and physical impact of living in silence, and how to break free and heal fr...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Deep Dive Episode 49: Running Towards The Finish Line 12.06.2026 5:22
In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 49 with Matt Fuchs, we are re-airing our deep dive with therapist Dan Duane. In it, Michelle explores what we can do to be intentional and reflective about our life and death. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagra...
The Midlife Climax 10.06.2026 1:01:31
Are you dreading middle age and getting older? Dread not! Kel and Michelle sit down with author and researcher Matt Fuchs for an insightful conversation about the classic stereotypes and definitions of midlife crisis, what can cause midlife stressors and ways to manage them, how people's identities may change throughout life, and why the midlife crisis has now become a midlife "climax&qu...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 48 Deep Dive: Partners in Clarity - How to Balance True Expectations 29.05.2026 3:37
In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 48 featuring Maddison Violet, Michelle talks about how helpful it is to be accurate when voicing your expectations. Find Maddison Violet and Ve Oh Lay Winery @veohlayacres And to ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest , email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com . Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram...
Partners In Wine: How To Balance Marriage And A Winery 27.05.2026 58:46
Have you ever dreamed of calling all the shots? Kel and Michelle sit down with Maddison Violet, owner of Ve Oh Lay Winery and Farm in Summerland, Canada, to discuss how she and her husband followed their dream and started a winery, the secret to staying connected and supporting each other, navigating difficult conversations as co-owners, and advice for couples who work together or are considering...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 47 Deep Dive: Reimagining The Root Cause 15.05.2026 4:48
In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle featuring Mark Michaels, Michelle discusses how early relationships impact our attachment to others. In his preprint BINARIES, MULTITUDES, AND BEYOND, available now at markamichaels.com , Mark focuses the lens on his own journey and uses narrative analysis and critique to explore how authority, expertise, and healing are currently defined. h...
Reimagining Therapy 13.05.2026 1:06:07
Ready to reimagine how you’re approaching therapy? Kel and Michelle sit down with writer and conceptual artist Mark Michaels to discuss the problems with traditional therapy and why people may feel disillusioned, both the benefits and the limitations of alternative approaches like psychedelics and A.I. assisted therapy, and how growing up in the 1970’s New York punk scene influenced his work, life...
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