Tried and Tested Podcast

In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP , speaks with Maria Spies, Co-Founder of HolonIQ and Chief Innovation Officer at QS, about global learning, AI, and the future of workforce readiness. Drawing on more than 25 years in post-secondary education, workforce learning, and education technology, Maria explores how demographic change, technology, and shifting workfo...

In this episode of  Tried and Tested , host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP , speaks with Tim Muckle, PhD, ICE-CCP, Chief Assessment Officer at the National Board of Certification and Recertification for Nurse Anesthetists, about longitudinal assessment and the future of continued professional certification. Drawing on his background in mathematics, psychometrics, healthcare certification, and ass...

In this episode of  Tried and Tested , host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP , speaks with Dr. Kristen DiCerbo, Chief Learning Officer at Khan Academy and one of Time’s top 100 people influencing the future of AI in 2024. Drawing on her background in school psychology, learning science, edtech, and assessment design, Kristen explores how AI is changing what assessment professionals can observe, int...

As assessment programs confront increasingly sophisticated fraud and rapid advances in Artificial Intelligence, protecting trust and integrity has never been more complex. In this episode of  Tried and Tested , host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP sits down with Paul Muir, Chief Customer Officer at risr/ and Board Chair of the Association of Test Publishers, for a candid conversation recorded live...

In this episode of  Tried and Tested , host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD,- ICE CCP, Chief Assessment Officer at PSI and ETS, sits down with Jenn McNamara, Vice President of Strategic Products and Partnerships at BreakAway Games. Recorded live at the ATP Conference, the conversation explores how serious games are being used to support authentic, performance based assessment across defense, healthcare, an...

This is our 50th episode of  Tried & Tested  and we’re marking the milestone with a conversation about what may be one of the biggest questions facing the workforce right now: how do people prove what they can do as change accelerates? Host Isabelle Gonthier welcomes Libby Rodney, Chief Strategy Officer at The Harris Poll, to unpack what “proof” looks like in today’s disrupted environment and...

As questions around remote testing and test security continue to surface across the assessment landscape, how can programs move beyond perception and focus on evidence? In this episode of  Tried and Tested , host Isabelle Gonthier is joined by Paul Gollash , SVP of TOEFL and GRE at ETS, and Wally Dalrymple , Chief Security Officer at PSI and ETS, for a timely conversation on trust, data, and deliv...

In this special HiSET edition of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP welcomes vice president of the HiSET program Tanya Guerrero Haug, who sits down with Wyvonne Stevens‑Carter, Associate Commissioner for Public Adult Education at the Massachusetts Department of Elementary and Secondary Education. Recorded live at the HiSET Boston Roadshow, the conversation highlights how Massac...

In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP , speaks with Ashok Sarathy, Vice President of Assessment Products at GMAC, about the evolving role of assessment in global graduate management education. Drawing on more than two decades in the assessment industry, Ashok shares how GMAC has continuously adapted the GMAT and its broader assessment portfolio to meet changing...

In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP , speaks with Jeremy Carter, CEO of SentiraXR, about immersive simulations and the future of assessment. Jeremy shares how immersive environments can move learners beyond learning about a situation and into performing inside a realistic scenario, allowing assessment teams to observe competency, decision making, reasoning, an...

In this episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier, PhD, ICE-CCP speaks with Ian Cartledge from Entrust about identity verification and the evolving fraud landscape impacting credentialing and high-stakes testing. As online testing and digital registration processes expand, identity verification plays an increasingly important role in protecting exam integrity and ensuring the right candi...

Discover how digital assessment is evolving through innovation, AI, and sustainable design in this conversation with EdTech consultant Geoff Chapman. What You'll Learn Where AI is reshaping the assessment lifecycle Why sustainable assessment must be built into assessment design How e-assessment impacts infrastructure, energy use, and learner experience Practical considerations for selecting an...

In this episode of  Tried and Tested , host Isabelle Gonthier is joined live from the I.C.E. Conference by Amy Schabacker Dufrane, Ed. D., SPHR, CAE, CEO of HRCI® — HR Certification Institute, to explore how HR certification builds connection, credibility, and measurable value for today’s workforce. As the leader of the world’s premier certifying and learning organization for the HR profession, Am...

In this forward-looking episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier is joined by Janet Garcia, CEO of PSI and President of ETS, for a timely conversation on what’s next for assessment as the profession looks toward 2026. Recorded at PSI’s headquarters in Olathe, Kansas, the discussion reflects on the shifting landscape of credentialing and licensure and the growing responsibility assessmen...

In this special episode of Tried and Tested, host Isabelle Gonthier opens the new year with a curated look back at the most meaningful moments from the podcast’s 2025 conversations. Featuring standout clips and Isabelle’s personal reflections, this episode revisits the insights, innovations, and expert perspectives that shaped last year’s dialogue across credentialing, licensure, test design, and...

In this episode of  Tried and Tested , host Isabelle Gonthier sits down with Tony Ellis, Executive Director of the Oncology Nursing Certification Corporation (ONCC), for a deep dive into how competency modeling is reshaping the future of certification and professional development in oncology nursing. Recorded at ONCC’s Pittsburgh offices, Tony shares his unique path into credentialing and the less...

In this episode of  Tried and Tested , host  Isabelle Gonthier , PSI’s Chief Assessment Officer, sits down at the Conference on Test Security (COTS) with  Anna Rubin , Manager of Professional Certification Programs at Cisco. Together, they explore the evolving landscape of test development, test security, and the operational strategies behind protecting one of the world’s most recognized certifica...

In this episode of  Tried and Tested , host Isabelle Gonthier sits down at ETS headquarters in Princeton, New Jersey with Ratnesh Kumar Jha, General Manager of Institutional Products at ETS, to explore how English language assessment is evolving for the workplace and beyond. Drawing on ETS’s mission and the global footprint of TOEIC, they unpack what it really means to measure language skills in a...

In this episode of Tried and Tested , host Isabelle Gonthier sits down with Ian Browne , Director of Education at Chartered Accountants Ireland , to explore how the Institute is transforming professional learning for more than 8,500 students across Ireland. Ian shares insights from his decade-long journey leading one of the most ambitious education transformations in the accounting world. From mod...

Tried and Tested host Isabelle Gonthier sits down with Brian Donovan , General Manager of SkillsBox and the ICDL Foundation , to explore how innovation is transforming credentialing. Together, they unpack the evolution from floppy-disk exams to fully automated, in-application testing that mirrors real-world performance. Brian shares insights into how ICDL’s global network is adapting to the rapid...

In this episode of Tried and Tested , host Isabelle Gonthier sits down with Dale Cyr, Chief Executive Officer and Executive Director of Inteleos , to explore how certification and credentialing must evolve in today’s rapidly changing world. With over 25 years of leadership in healthcare certification, Dale shares how Inteleos is reimagining maintenance of certification to prioritize lifelong learn...

In this episode of Tried and Tested , host Isabelle Gonthier sits down with Dr. Lydia Liu, Associate Vice President at the ETS Research Institute, to explore how research is shaping the future of assessment. Dr. Liu shares her inspiring journey into psychometrics, her perseverance in joining ETS, and the pivotal role research plays in advancing testing worldwide.  Together, they discuss defining a...

In this thought-provoking episode of Tried and Tested , host Isabelle Gonthier sits down with Rachel Schoenig, founder and CEO of Cornerstone Strategies and board member of the Credential Integrity Action Alliance (CIAA), to unpack one of the most pressing challenges in credentialing today: commercial cheating. Rachel shares her unique journey from practicing attorney to leading expert in exam sec...

In this energizing episode of Tried and Tested , host Isabelle Gonthier sits down with Johnna Georgieva, Senior Psychometrician and Director of Assessments at the Dental Assisting National Board, to explore the evolving landscape of micro credentials. Johnna shares her personal journey into the world of psychometrics and how a chance mentorship led to a 20-plus year career in credentialing. Togeth...

In this special episode of Tried and Tested, recorded live in London during the E-Assessment Association Conference, host Isabelle Gonthier sits down with two trailblazers in the UK assessment space: Matt Wingfield, Managing Director of EdTech Horizons, and Tim Burnett, Founder of Education Tech Consulting and the Test Community Network. Together, they explore the evolving role of AI in assessment...