American College of Trial Lawyers
Trial Tested
Trial Tested: A Podcast by the American College of Trial Lawyers presents enlightening discussions about life and law through interviews with prominent trial lawyers and significant figures in the world of trial law. From lead counsel in historic cases to justices of the court, you will hear from the people who have made an impact in the courtroom – and in life. Hosted by Fellows of the College, Trial Tested aims to inspire trial attorneys to maintain and improve the standards of trial practice, professionalism, ethics and the administration of justice.
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Apr 30, 2026
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S7E1: From Courtroom to Courtside: Michele Roberts on Law and the National Basketball Players Association 12.10.2023 49:10
For Michele Roberts, former Executive Director of the National Basketball Players Association (NBPA), a career in law was sparked when her mother took her to observe local court proceedings as a child. Host Mike Herring delves into her experiences as Chief of the Trial Division at the PDS, her transition to private practice and her pivotal role at the NBPA. Roberts provides valuable insights on ma...
S6E6: Brian Gover on Due Process and Equity for All 10.08.2023 44:42
Brian Gover is known for tackling complex legal issues and leaving an indelible mark on high-profile cases throughout his career. Gover discusses his work in criminal and Aboriginal law, where he has represented both the Crown and individuals seeking justice. In this captivating conversation with host Dave Thomas, Gover emphasizes the importance of due process and treating both the powerful and po...
S6E5: Escaping the Taliban: How Judges Patricia Whalen and Mona Lynch helped Women Judges in Afghanistan 03.08.2023 48:08
In 2021, as international peacekeeping forces prepared to withdraw from Afghanistan, about 270 Afghan women serving as judges feared for their lives. A small group of international women judges, led by Patricia Whalen and Mona Lynch, tirelessly coordinated evacuations and sought government assistance to help these women escape. Join host Terri Mascherin for an inspiring conversation with Judges Wh...
S6E4: Behind the Scenes with DeMaurice Smith 27.07.2023 57:54
Join host Mike Herring as he interviews DeMaurice Smith, delving into a remarkable career that spans private practice and time in the U.S. Attorney’s office, leading up to his unanimous appointment as Executive Director of the NFL Players Association in 2009. Recognized for his role in guiding the players association through the 2011 NFL lockout, Smith was pivotal in facilitating a groundbreaking...
S6E3: Don’t be Afraid to Ask: Insights from Judge Barbara Lynn 20.07.2023 51:02
Judge Barbara Lynn, recipient of the Samuel E. Gates Litigation Award and the first female chief judge in Texas history, shares wisdom from her experience as a trial lawyer and judge in this interview with host Renee Rothauge. Judge Lynn emphasizes the importance of speaking up for what you want and taking opportunities to learn and practice while discussing topics ranging from jury trials during...
S6E2: Marc Mukasey: You’re Never Out of the Fight 13.07.2023 58:27
Marc Mukasey is known for managing high-profile cases such as the defense of Navy SEAL Edward Gallagher in a widely publicized trial and Halliburton in the Deepwater Horizon disaster. Mukasey joins host Vince Citro to discuss the importance of authenticity, connecting with a jury, and maintaining the fight for the pursuit of justice.
S6E1: Prosecutor to Ambassador: A Journey of Empathy and Understanding with Kevin O’Malley 06.07.2023 58:31
Ambassador Kevin O'Malley's career spans from prosecuting organized crime for the Department of Justice to private practice to serving as Ambassador to Ireland. After his tenure as Ambassador, he returned to St. Louis University Law School where is now a professor and ambassador in residence. Host Amy Gunn discusses Ambassador O'Malley's journey from being the descendant of Irish Immigrants to his...
Special Episode: Jeffery Robinson and the Who We Are Project 19.06.2023 40:46
On Juneteenth 2018, ACTL Fellow Jeffery Robinson stood before a packed house at the Historic Town Hall Theater on Broadway in Manhattan to present his closing argument on racism in America. Five years later, on Juneteenth 2023, Jeffery joins host Terri Mascherin to discuss his documentary film titled, “Who We Are: A Chronicle of Racism in America,” and his nonprofit organization, The Who We Are Pr...
S5E7- Defense for the Defense: Part 2 with Bob Trout, Josh Treem, and Bill Jeffries 20.04.2023 48:16
The conversation with attorneys Bob Trout, Josh Treem and Bill Jeffries continues as they recount how a criminal defense attorney came to be accused of obstruction for simply doing his job. Listen as they discuss the issues resulting from government overreach, cooperating criminal defendants and false testimony – among other things – with host Amy Gunn.
S5E6 - Defense for the Defense: Part 1 with Bob Trout, Josh Treem, and Bill Jeffries 13.04.2023 36:34
When you’re a criminal defense attorney facing government accusations, what do you do? In Part One of this captivating case study, attorneys Bob Trout, Josh Treem and Bill Jeffries discuss with host Amy Gunn how the defender of one criminal defense attorney came to need his own criminal defender and what happened next.
S5E5 - Inside the Florida Supreme Court with Justice Barbara Pariente 06.04.2023 44:09
Sandra Day O’Connor Jurist Award recipient Barbara Pariente became just the second woman to be appointed to Florida’s Supreme court in 1997. Six years later, and just one year before becoming Chief Justice, Pariente was diagnosed with – and later beat – breast cancer. Host Dave Paul uncovers the stories behind this trailblazer in the justice system as they discuss strength, integrity and enjoying...
S5E4 - Houston Gordon: Persuasiveness Comes from Trust 30.03.2023 43:21
He has prosecuted a serial killer and represented a mass murderer, but Houston Gordon’s greatest joy as a trial lawyer is representing catastrophically injured children. Listen as host Mike Herring uncovers the natural storyteller in Tennessee litigator Houston Gordon as they discuss Lt. William Calley and the My Lai Massacre, the clemency of Cyntoia Brown and the lessons learned from a 50-year ca...
S5E3 - Benjamin Brafman: There Are No Shortcuts 23.03.2023 50:53
Attorney Benjamin Brafman has represented some of the highest-profile white collar criminal defendants in New York. From Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein to NFL wide receiver Plaxico Burress to Executive Martin Shkreli, Brafman never wavers from his number one rule: Be the best-prepared person in the courtroom. Enjoy a discussion spanning Brafman’s 50-year career with host Dave Paul.
S5E2 - The Attica Prison Uprising of 1971 and its Legacy with Dr. Heather Ann Thompson 16.03.2023 54:10
Historian Dr. Heather Ann Thompson always starts with the facts. Host Amy Gunn talks with Dr. Thompson about what happens when history gets it wrong, and her decades-long research into finding out the truth about what really happened at Attica Prison. Listen as they discuss Dr. Thompson’s book – Blood in the Water, The Attica Prison Uprising of 1971, and Its Legacy.
S5E1 - Civil Rights Attorney and Presidential Medal of Freedom Recipient Fred Gray 09.03.2023 34:02
Iconic civil rights attorney, preacher and recent recipient of the ACTL Thurgood Marshall Equality and Justice Award, Fred Gray takes host Gregory K. Wells on a tour of the Tuskegee History Center. Known for representing Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Jr. and the victims of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, listen as Gray discusses his life’s work fighting for equality and justice for all.
Special Episode: Mike Cody on Representing MLK Jr., Confronting Segregation and Running a 4:24 Mile 16.01.2023 38:43
Mike Cody was on the trial team who represented Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and was one of the last attorney groups to speak with Dr. King prior to his murder. An avid runner, he’s logged in over 80,000 miles, using the exercise to process, relax and think about tough cases. Listen as Host Mike Herring speaks with Cody about segregation, Dr. King, and his life of legal service.
S4E6 - Andrew Coats, Successful Attorney, Officer in the Navy, Mayor, Dean, Professor and more…. 17.11.2022 39:20
Join Host Mike Herring as he speaks with Past President of the College, Andrew Coats. Coats talks about his journey in the Navy, law school, and prosecuting one of the biggest murder cases in the history of Oklahoma. Coats is known for his landmark argument in the US Supreme Court that broke the NCAA’s college football TV monopoly. His experience in the courtroom allows him to be a great teacher i...
S4E5 - Author Kati Marton: “Just Do Not Engage with Skunks” 10.11.2022 42:05
Kati Marton, a journalist, human rights activist, author, and great storyteller. Marton speaks about Angela Merkel’s iron composure and how nothing could rattle her. Trial lawyers are often goaded – learn by example from Angela Merkel; don’t take the bait. Join us as host Amy Gunn recounts excerpts from Kati Marton’s book The Chancellor, the Remarkable Odyssey of Angela Merkel.
S4E4 - Rick Friedman, An Advocate Teacher 03.11.2022 49:06
Rick Friedman, trial lawyer, published author, teacher, attorney and influencer, joins host Dave Paul for an in-depth conversation on practicing law and the importance of mental health and therapy.
S4E3 - Newspaper Headline: “Enemies of the People”, After a Win in the High Court with Lord David Pannick 27.10.2022 40:27
Lord Pannick, a Barrister for over 40 years and appointed by an independent committee to the House of Lords, has fascinating stories about his journey to becoming King's Counsel. Host Amy Gunn learns about Lord Pannick’s participation in Brexit as they talk law, Queens, Kings, and supreme courts.
S4E2 - Boma Alabi Has the Willingness and a Desire to Serve 20.10.2022 40:48
Boma Alabi is a commercial trial lawyer working in Nigeria while maintaining a large pro bono criminal workload. Boma is a fierce advocate and creator of a soon to be released App aimed at helping citizens being targeted and harassed by government agencies. Listen as host Amy Gunn talks to Boma about leaving her home country and returning years later to practice law while giving citizens a tool to...
S4E1 - Show Me the Evidence with Earl Silbert 13.10.2022 39:39
Earl Silbert was known for his role as the first prosecutor in Watergate and he served as President of the College from 2000 to 2001. Host Dave Paul talks with Earl about the Watergate “scandal” and his extraordinary career in private practice.
S3E7 – Christy Jones: Lifetime Lawyer and Volunteer Worker in Asia 28.07.2022 43:43
Listen as Christy Jones recounts fascinating stories, from being one of the first women in drug and medical device mass tort litigation, to giving back to others while working in Asia. Join Host Amy Gunn as they speak about the ever-changing world of law.
S3E6 - The Humility to Prepare and the Confidence to Pull it Off with Doug Young 21.07.2022 40:52
Doug Young, Past President of the American College of Trial Lawyers and a veteran of the United States Marine Corps, has an extensive career in matters relating to antitrust, securities, FCPA claims, theft-of-trade secrets/IP, white-collar defense and court-appointed indigent defense including death penalty cases. Join host Mike Herring as they talk about the courtroom and what it’s like to repres...
S3E5 - Nothing But The Truth with Marie Henein 14.07.2022 52:35
As one of Canada’s top criminal defense lawyers, Marie Henein has elevated the art of cross-examination. She is also known for her outspoken views on ethics, respect for the justice system and equality in the workplace. Host Dave Paul talks with Marie about her passion for the truth, her legendary cross-examination prep and her belief that every lawyer has an obligation to better the profession by...
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