Trial Tested

Carter Phillips, one of the most prolific U.S. Supreme Court advocates of our time, joins host Terri Mascherin to share insights into arguing before the nation’s highest court. With 90 cases argued, Phillips discusses the impact of oral arguments versus briefs on case outcomes, the art of anticipating questions, and shifts in courtroom dynamics over the past four decades. Phillips also emphasizes...

Join host Amy Gunn as she interviews Former U.S. Attorney and Acting Administrator of the DEA Chuck Rosenberg. As they delve into his study of Japanese American internment during WWII, Rosenberg discusses Executive Order 9066, ignored intelligence reports revealing no espionage threat, and landmark cases such as Hirabayashi, Korematsu, and Endo. He reveals how suppression of evidence led to devast...

In this episode, host Dave Thomas and attorney Kevin Hamilton discuss the evolving legal landscape of elections. Hamilton clarifies the distinction between a recount and an election contest, while also addressing the litigation strategies and challenges seen in recent election cycles. The timely conversation delves into complex issues such as redistricting, voter rights and suppression efforts, an...

Chicago attorney Bob Byman joins host Terri Mascherin to reflect on a career of high-profile, complex litigation cases and a Supreme Court argument that reversed a Ruth Bader Ginsberg decision – all delivered with a sharp wit and keen insights. He discusses the importance of resilience in facing challenges, emphasizing a career rooted in both civic duty and professional achievement. Byman also sha...

Retired Canadian Supreme Court Justice Rosalie Abella joins host Renee Rothauge to discuss her life and legacy in human rights and equality law. As the first Jewish woman appointed to the Supreme Court of Canada, Justice Abella has championed the rights of marginalized communities throughout her career. Her groundbreaking work includes shaping the concept of equality through landmark decisions and...

In part two of this interview, Jamal Alsaffar discusses the challenges and trial strategies involved in the Sutherland Springs Church Shooting case with host Amy Gunn. Alsaffar highlights the importance of empathy, sharing how he creatively used the courtroom's layout to help the judge and others grasp the trauma experienced by the victims. He recounts the discovery of crucial evidence, including...

In part one of this interview, trial attorney Jamal Alsaffar discusses his involvement in the Sutherland Springs Church Shooting case with host Amy Gunn. Pursuing the case under the Federal Tort Claims Act (FTCA), Alsaffar revealed a systemic failure by the Air Force and other military branches to report criminal records to the FBI’s background check system, which enabled the Sutherland Springs sh...

An attorney by education, Suzanne Spaulding has spent most of her career in public service, providing her expertise on cybersecurity and infrastructure to the United States Department of Homeland Security, the CIA, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, and more. Spaulding joins host Vince Citro for an in-depth discussion about democracy, the strategic advantages of transparency, an...

Criminal defense attorney Dick DeGuerin has defended members of Congress, judges, cult leaders and everyone in between. In this episode, DeGuerin joins host Vince Citro and reveals how he came to represent David Koresh and what transpired in Waco, Texas that fateful April of 1993. He also discusses how he avoided becoming labeled a “cult lawyer” through his high-profile representation of public fi...

Join host Terri Mascherin as she discusses generative artificial intelligence and its impact on trial law with Professor Maura R. Grossman, an expert in the field. Using recent examples, Professor Grossman explains why this rapidly evolving technology can’t be ignored, how to understand its usefulness and how to prevent misuse and “deepfake defense” In the courtroom.  

Join host Amy Gunn as she talks with ACTL Past President Susan Harriman about family, career, and her involvement with the College. Harriman recounts how a chance conversation with a stranger on a train led her to apply to law school after her service as a Peace Corps volunteer. She discusses her role in helping grow a firm from 10 to more than 120 attorneys, addressing the unique decisions and ch...

From discovering his motivation as a student at Morehouse College to walking the halls of the West Wing, former Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson joins host Dave Thomas to recount his accomplished career. Secretary Johnson shares his experiences in public service, highlighting high-profile matters such as the repeal of the military policy “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” while emphasizing the com...

In this special Juneteenth episode, Professor Douglas Blackmon joins host Dave Thomas to delve into what drove Blackmon to write his Pulitzer Prize-winning book, "Slavery by Another Name," which details the manipulation of the criminal justice system to terrorize and inflict forced labor onto African American men in the South after the Civil War. Blackmon discusses how World War II catalyzed the d...

Past President of the College Jeff Leon joins host Dave Thomas to discuss his career as a leading Canadian litigator. He reflects on his role as co-lead counsel to the Public Order Emergency Commission following the Freedom Convoy protests, highlighting the challenges and importance of addressing issues regarding freedom of expression. Reflecting on notable cases, such as the sale of the Toronto M...

In this episode of Trial Tested, former Watergate prosecutor Jill Wine-Banks recounts her early career and the challenges she faced as a female lawyer, first in the Department of Justice's organized crime division and then as the youngest Watergate prosecutor. Wine-Banks joins host Terri Mascherin to discuss the obstacles faced by the Watergate prosecution team, including the infamous "Saturday Ni...

Go to criminal defense attorney Paul Meyer of Orange County, California reflects on his career with host Dave Thomas.  Meyer emphasizes the importance of preparation and empathy.  He shares his criminal defense experiences with high profile clients such as Dennis Rodman, Merrill Lynch,  national sports figures, elected officials, and the Saudi Arabian Royal Family, as well as his years defending j...

In this episode, host Vince Citro interviews David Oscar Markus, criminal defense attorney and host of his own podcast, For the Defense. Markus emphasizes the importance of loving what you do while discussing themes and trial strategy. He reflects on the significance of client testimony and the unpredictability of trial outcomes. Through his experiences, he underscores the evolving nature of trial...

Join host Renee Rothauge as she discusses the intricate world of intellectual property and patent case litigation with Attorney William Lee. From the Iran-Contra Affair to the “smartphone wars” to navigating losses like the recent Supreme Court affirmative action case, Lee shares his insights and lessons learned from trying more than 200 cases to verdict. He also delves into personal encounters wi...

Sharon McMahon, renowned as 'America's government teacher' and host of the podcast ‘Here’s Where It Gets Interesting,' joins host Amy Gunn to discuss topics such as nonpartisan civics education, fostering respectful dialogue and the importance of democracy. Originally a high school government teacher, Sharon unexpectedly transitioned to a national platform, driven by a desire to combat political m...

Honorable Willie J. Epps, Jr., judge in the U.S. District Court, Western District of Missouri, and author of The Jackie Robinsons of the Federal Judiciary: Examining the Appointment of the First Black Federal Judges, joins host Amy Gunn to discuss the history of Black federal judges, mentoring young lawyers, and fair and impartial treatment – irrespective of race – in the courtroom.  

The Hon. Suzanne Côté was the first woman to be appointed to the Supreme Court of Canada directly from private practice in 2014. This week, Madam Justice Côté joins host Amy Gunn to discuss her surprising journey from litigator to the Supreme Court, the heathy value of dissenting opinions and the importance of “answering the question.”

Jeffrey Rosen, President and CEO of the National Constitution Center (NCC) in Philadelphia, joins host Renee Rothauge for a comprehensive discussion about the US Constitution. They explore topics ranging from civics education to the impact of AI to the importance of fostering civil discourse on constitutional principles, all underscored with Rosen’s dedication to educating people about the Constit...

Late one night in 1994, Marcus Boyd was fatally shot on his front porch, leading to the wrongful conviction of Lamar Johnson. In 2023, Johnson finally walked out of a courtroom a free man after having served nearly 28 years for a crime he didn't commit. In this episode, host Terri Mascherin is joined by Johnson and attorney Charlie Weiss to discuss the importance of Pro Bono work and the extensive...

From religious discrimination to execution protocol, Judge Jeremy Fogel is no stranger to handling challenging matters in his courtroom. Judge Fogel, recipient of the Samuel E. Gates Litigation Award, joins host Dave Thomas to discuss effective advocacy, emphasizing empathy and mindfulness in the courtroom. By examining the role of culture, language and trauma in shaping individuals’ experiences,...

ACTL Past President David Beck emphasizes the importance of humility, hard work, and continual learning in this interview with host Vince Citro. With notable involvement in pivotal cases such as the BP Oil Spill litigation and other matters for Exxon, Beck's extensive career has earned him respect and admiration from clients and legal professionals alike.