Michael Levin

Thoughtforms Life

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A podcast by Professor Michael Levin exploring the frontiers of biology, cognition, and emergence. Engage in conversations about morphogenesis, bioelectricity, and synthetic life — and uncover how intelligence and agency emerge from the most fundamental levels of nature.

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Michael Levin

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Latest episode

Jun 27, 2026

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"Energy Constraints and Tradeoffs" by Martin Picard 27.06.2026

This is a ~57 minute talk titled "Energy Constraints and Tradeoffs: the mitochondrial daily energy expenditure MDEE study" by Martin Picard ( https://www.neurology.columbia.edu/profile/martin-picard-phd ) and a brief set of ideas by me at the end, presaging a full discussion of this for our next meeting. I mentioned these 2 papers: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030326472200143...

"Aging, goal-directedness, and bioelectricity" by Michael Levin 26.06.2026

This is ~23 minute talk overviewing our recent results and the way we think about aging and longevity. It was for a conference with quite short speaking slots so I had to talk fast... Longer talk coming with more data but this outlines some ideas and overviews our published recent work on aging. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Aging framework overview (01:16) Bodies as setpoints (03:08) Anatomical homeostasis e...

Computationalism and consciousness with Nic Rouleau, Jaan Aru, and Borjan Milinkovic. 22.06.2026

Discussion #2 (57 minutes on computationalism and consciousness) with Borjan Milinkovic ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=AwaZbzsAAAAJ&hl=en ), Jaan Aru ( https://scholar.google.de/citations?user=FvFOzS8AAAAJ&hl=en%29 ), and Nicolas Rouleau ( https://scholar.google.ca/citations?user=FyOpVTAAAAAJ&hl=en ). CHAPTERS: (00:00) AI consciousness middle ground (04:46) Substrate depen...

Free Lunches: Model Systems for Studying the Agential Gifts from the Platonic Space by Michael Levin 20.06.2026

This is a talk I gave, ~49 minutes long, titled "Free Lunches: Model Systems for Studying the Agential Gifts from the Platonic Space", to a philosophy audience. It covers some more ways I think about the latent space of patterns that in-forms biology and cognitive science. CHAPTERS: (00:02) Research program overview (05:15) Dissolving old categories (10:54) Goal-directed morphogenesis basics (14:1...

Platonic Space discussion 5 29.05.2026

This is a ~2 hour discussion among contributors to the Platonic Space Symposium ( CHAPTERS: (00:00) Strong perception framework (10:12) Perception model boundaries (17:41) Penrose and probabilities (30:57) Quantum interpretations debated (39:28) Probability dynamics and gravity (53:50) Relational observer problem (01:00:30) Dance synchronization physics (01:12:02) Rituals and group flow (01:23:43)...

Platonic Space discussion 4 25.05.2026

This is a ~2 hours 4 minute discussion among contributors to the Platonic Space Symposium ( CHAPTERS: (00:00) Strong anticipation analogy (08:16) Relational Platonic patterns (25:06) Finite brains, infinite grammar (40:05) Beauty and compression (51:17) Searching for grammar (01:01:58) Patterns and selfhood (01:14:44) Patterns claiming territory (01:29:28) Markets shape selves (01:43:57) Scaling c...

Discussion #1 with Amahury Jafet Lopez Diaz, Carlos Gershenson-Garcia, and Richard Watson 19.05.2026

This is a ~1 hour 5 minute discussion with Amahury Jafet Lopez Diaz ( Carlos Gershenson-Garcia ( and Richard Watson ( Stay tuned for part 2 where Amahury will present his ideas in more detail. Amahury's paper: CHAPTERS: (00:00) Common ground and stakes (06:10) Ontology of platonic space (14:50) Testing separate realms (25:52) Acid tests and metaphors (34:55) Interaction and narratives (44:20) Form...

A Multiscale Logic of Collective Intelligence" by Donald Hoffman and Chetan Prakash 11.04.2026

This is a ~1.5 hour talk + discussion, titled "A Multiscale Logic of Collective Intelligence" by Donald Hoffman ( and Chetan Prakash ( with Robert Chis-Ciure ( and Chris Fields ( and me. CHAPTERS: (00:01) Beyond space-time physics (10:10) Minimal observer participants (18:49) Recursive trace logic (35:08) Actions and trace blankets (43:45) Physics and agency together (52:32) Causal emergence and j...

Discussion: Lisa Maroski, Michael Levin, Richard Watson 10.04.2026

This is a ~1 hour discussion with Lisa Maroski ( and Richard Watson ( about the role of language in shaping our thinking in the field of diverse intelligence and beyond. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Language and systems thinking (04:25) Parts wholes and resonance (07:34) Who versus what (12:45) Recursion and new structures (17:47) Searching for a word (25:16) Holding multiple polarities (29:41) Nested biolog...

Discussion: Richard Watson, Alexey Tolchinsky, Mark Solms, Michael Levin, and Karl Friston 09.04.2026

This is a ~1 hour meeting with Richard Watson ( Alexey Tolchinsky ( Mark Solms ( and Karl Friston ( where we discuss issues of memory (especially, the role of forgetting) in diverse intelligence (human patients and beyond), and a bit on dreams and psychoanalysis. The original question from me was motivated by some findings on the effects of induced forgetting in models of unconventional cognition...

Conversation with Nic Rouleau, part 1: "Some thoughts on the mind as material" 03.04.2026

This is a ~1 hour talk and discussion, comprising part 1 of a conversation with a really interesting young neuroscientist, as well as friend, collaborator, and our Center member, Nicolas Rouleau ( Nic goes over unconventional aspects of neuroscience touching on free will, cybernetics, consciousness, and a lot more. We start a discussion which is continued in part 2. For more information: Nic's web...

Conversation with Nic Rouleau, part 2: neuroscience, memory transfer, aging of cognition, and more 03.04.2026

This is a ~55 minute discussion following up on Nic's talk and our brief conversation ( comprising part 2 of a conversation with a really interesting young neuroscientist, as well as friend, collaborator, and our Center member, Nicolas Rouleau ( We cover topics of consciousness, neural decoding, the meaning of neuroscience, memory transfer, cognitive plasticity and its relationship to rejuvenation...

Conversation 2 with Lisa Barrett, Ben Lyons, and Karen Quigley 24.03.2026

This is a second conversation with Lisa Barrett ( Karen Quigley ( and Benjamin Lyons ( about Relational Realism, allostasis, and questions of mind/body/behavior. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Rethinking emotion universals (09:34) Brain evolution and allostasis (17:25) Predictive processing and signaling (30:05) Objectivity and first-person science (38:45) Flexible body-world boundaries (45:46) Relational mean...

Cancer: mitochondria and metabolism - a discussion with Thomas Seyfried and his group 17.03.2026

This is a 1hr + 23 minutes talk and conversation with Thomas Seyfried, Derek Lee and Tomás Duraj ( Juanita Mathews from my group ( about their work on the metabolic and mitochondrial aspects of cancer. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Metabolic nature of cancer (08:52) Mitochondrial theory of cancer (34:00) Metabolic therapy in practice (40:39) Mitochondria and morphogenetic fields (45:21) Ion channels and metab...

"On Biological and Artificial Consciousness" by Borjan Milinkovic and Jaan Aru 05.03.2026

This is a ~53 minute talk + 14 minute Q&A titled "On Biological and Artificial Consciousness: a case for biological computationalism" by Borjan Milinkovic ( and Jaan Aru ( CHAPTERS: (00:00) Speaker background and research (03:16) Motivation and philosophical landscape (09:32) Von Neumann architecture (15:39) Computational metaphor in neuroscience (22:52) Metabolic constraints in neurons (29:04...

Platonic Space discussion 3 05.02.2026

This is a ~1 hours 44 minute discussion among contributors to the Platonic Space Hypothesis ( https://thoughtforms.life/symposium-on-the-platonic-space/). CHAPTERS: (00:00) Platonic forms and interaction (07:01) Xenobots and evolutionary cost (11:23) Symbiosis, rectifiers, embeddings (18:06) Free lunches in biology (27:59) Topology of competency space (39:53) Exploration, play, affordances (48:01)...

Conversation with Darren Iammarino #1 04.02.2026

This is a ~54 minute conversation with Darren Iammarino ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=YNrxRaYAAAAJ&view_op=list_works) about open problems with respect to the Platonic Space model. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Patterns, minds, and causation (09:18) Interfaces and positive pressure (21:50) Randomness and new universals (31:21) Quantum randomness and scale (39:16) Cyborg minds and i...

"The Bioelectric Interface to the Collective Intelligence of Morphogenesis" by Michael Levin 30.01.2026

This is a ~57 minute talk titled "The Bioelectric Interface to the Collective Intelligence of Morphogenesis: development, regeneration, cancer, and beyond" which I gave at a UCSF seminar for an audience of graduate students and post-docs in Biophysics, Bioinformatics, and Chemical Biology. I covered the role of bioelectricity as cognitive glue underlying high-level adaptive plasticity in living ti...

Discussion #1 at the Platonic Space Symposium 21.01.2026

This is a ~1 hour 40 minute discussion among contributors to the Platonic Space Hypothesis ( https://thoughtforms.life/symposium-on-the-platonic-space/) CHAPTERS: (00:00) Math, identity and realms (16:08) Convergence, abstraction and attractors (34:05) Attractors, stress and observers (41:29) Realms, impossibility and simulation (51:40) Simulation, explanation and understanding (01:04:39) Mind eve...

Conversation 1 with Mijail Serruya, Alessandro Napoli, and Wesley Clawson 18.01.2026

This is a ~1 hour conversation with (including a short talk by) Mijail Serruya ( https://research.jefferson.edu/labs/researcher/serruya-research.html), Alessandro Napoli ( https://www.linkedin.com/in/alessandro-napoli-8383a164/), and Wes Clawson ( https://allencenter.tufts.edu/wesley-clawson-staff-scientist/). We talk about brain-body-machine interfaces, the clinical aspects and the deeper concept...

Conversation 1 w/ Lisa Barrett, Ben Lyons, Eli Sennesh, Jordan Theriault-Brown, and Karen Quigley 17.01.2026

This is a discussion with with Lisa Feldman Barrett ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=WF5c0_8AAAAJ&hl=en), Benjamin Lyons ( https://interestingessays.substack.com/), Eli Sennesh ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=3z4ALYgAAAAJ), Jordan Theriault-Brown ( http://www.jordan-theriault.com/), and Karen Quigley ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=aZ3qhVUAAAAJ&hl=en) abo...

"Evolution and Intelligence: inversion and a positive feedback spiral" by Michael Levin 15.01.2026

This is a ~50 minute video on evolution from the perspective of diverse intelligence. I discuss 3 main things: the nature of the mapping between genotype and phenotype (an intelligent, problem-solving process that interprets genomic prompts, not simply a complex mechanical mapping), the implications for evolution of operating over such a multi-scale agential material, and a few recent findings abo...

“The Unreasonable Effectiveness of the Behavioral Sciences in Developmental Biology and Biomedicine” 11.12.2025

This is a ~46 minute talk by Michael Levin titled “The Unreasonable Effectiveness of the Behavioral Sciences in Developmental Biology and Biomedicine” given at a developmental biology/bioengineering symposium, explaining the connections between the cognitive/behavioral sciences and the study of morphogenesis, from the lens of our framework and new technology. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Behavioral Science F...

Discussion #1 with Katrina Schleisman and David Burke 10.12.2025

This is a ~54 minute conversation with Katrina Schleisman ( https://www.galois.com/team/katrina-schleisman) and David Burke ( https://www.galois.com/team/david-burke) about issues related to memory, Platonism, diverse intelligence, and similar topics. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Paper comments and impetus (01:38) Math-physics causal dualism (06:19) Unreasonable effectiveness and foundations (12:54) Active P...

Conversation with David Resnik 1 01.12.2025

This is a ~52 minute conversation with philosopher David Resnik ( https://www.niehs.nih.gov/research/resources/bioethics/bioethicist) about the Platonic Space model and our plan for a new paper about a different variant of it than what I've been writing so far. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Morphogenesis and latent space (15:19) Platonism's scientific utility (27:06) Explanation, models, morphospace (36:51) M...

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