Michael Levin

Thoughtforms Life

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A podcast by Professor Michael Levin exploring the frontiers of biology, cognition, and emergence. Engage in conversations about morphogenesis, bioelectricity, and synthetic life — and uncover how intelligence and agency emerge from the most fundamental levels of nature.

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Michael Levin

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Jun 27, 2026

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Discussion #1 with Elan Barenholtz 30.11.2025

This is a ~57 minute discussion with Elan Barenholtz ( https://mpcrlab.com/people/Elan-Barenholtz/) about language and its possible autonomy in brains, AI models, and other systems linking to our lab's work on active data and the thoughts-thinkers continuum. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Language As Auto-Generator (21:14) Virtual Governors In Physiology (30:37) Mathematics, Metaphysics, Free Lunches (40:40) L...

Conversation 1 with Diana Moga, Alexey Tolchinsky, and Chris Fields 29.11.2025

This is a ~52 minute discussion between Diana Moga ( https://www.dianamogamd.com/), Alexey Tolchinsky ( https://montgomerycountypsychologist.com/), Chris Fields ( https://chrisfieldsresearch.com/), and I on topics related to autism, ketamine-assisted therapy, and the linking of these concepts to somatic biology. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Ketamine, Trauma, Defining Autism (06:12) Trauma, Gender, Autism Mod...

Conversation 1 with Nora Belrose: AI, sentience, and Platonic Space 23.11.2025

This is a ~1 hour 5 minute conversation between Nora Belrose ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=p_oBc64AAAAJ&hl=en) and me on the topics of consciousness, AI, and different views of the Platonic Space. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Introductions and Moral Risks (09:11) Intelligence, Sentience, Irreversibility (16:38) Digital Copies and Value (24:54) Dynamic Platonic Mindspace (35:19) Passable For...

Discussion with Alexey Tolchinsky and Thomas Pollak 2 22.11.2025

This is a ~1 hour conversation between Alexey Tolchinsky ( https://montgomerycountypsychologist.com/), a clinical psychologist and Adjunct Professor at The George Washington University, Center for Professional Psychology, and Thomas Pollak ( https://orcid.org/0000-0002-6171-0810), a neuropsychiatrist and researcher working at the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience at King's Colle...

Discussion #1 with Chris Fields, Mark Solms, Karl Friston, and Thomas Pollak: introspection & more 21.11.2025

This is a ~1 hour 5 minute working conversation with Chris Fields ( https://chrisfieldsresearch.com/), Mark Solms ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=vD4p8rQAAAAJ&hl=en), Karl Friston ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=q_4u0aoAAAAJ&hl=en), and Thomas Pollak ( https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/thomas-pollak) starting on the topic of variable degrees of introspection in natural a...

"Entropic motivation and the roots of agency"by Alex Kiefer 17.11.2025

This is a ~35 min talk titled "Entropic motivation and the roots of agency" by Alex Kiefer ( https://philpeople.org/profiles/alex-kiefer) + ~25 min discussion of the issues of motivation in artificial and natural agents. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Entropy, Motivation, Psychophysical Identity (35:45) Willpower, Purpose, Buddhist Motivation (45:57) Emergent Goals and Uncertainty (58:06) Platonic Patterns and...

"Unconventional Embodiments: model systems & strategies addressing mind-blindness" by Michael Levin 11.11.2025

This is a ~45 minute talk for an embodied cognition audience, covering my framework for diverse intelligence, our use of morphogenesis as a model system for communicating with unconventional minds, and my views on our new MomBot platform and how it helps understand the symmetries between science and agency, and the novel group minds consisting of technology, living matter, and scientists themselve...

"Platonic Space: brief argument and research agenda" by Michael Levin 29.10.2025

This is a brief (~17 minute) introduction to my argument about Platonic space in biology, using a 1-page simplified argument format and then a quick overview of the research program entailed by it. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Mathematical facts and patterns (01:46) Math explains physical reality (04:28) Physicalism and Platonic space (06:17) Structured space of patterns (07:31) Beyond mathematics, agential...

Against Mind-Blindness: recognizing and communicating with unconventional beings by Michael Levin 26.10.2025

This ~50 minute talk given at a futurism/AI gathering is a variant of my recent talks on diverse intelligence, focusing on ways to expand our perspective via considerations of non-brain-based intelligence in the body, patterns as agents, synthetic beings as model systems for learning to predict and communicate with agents that do not share our selection history, pattern of form and behavior from t...

Conversation with Benjamin Lyons, Eli Sennesh, and Jordan Theriault 21.10.2025

This is a ~1 hour discussion with Ben Lyons ( https://interestingessays.substack.com/), Eli Sennesh ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=3z4ALYgAAAAJ&hl=en), and Jordan Theriault ( http://www.jordan-theriault.com/), where they each give talks and then we have a brief Q&A on topics related to neuroscience, economics, and specifically the interoception and allostasis view of behaviora...

Why bioelectricity in morphogenesis matters: an introduction in 3 slides by Michael Levin 14.10.2025

This is an ~8 minute very quick introduction about the context for developmental bioelectricity and some examples of how we use it as an interface to control growth and form. In this very short 3 slide introduction at a discussion forum, I tried to explain that bioelectricity is not just more physics we need to keep track of in morphogenesis, nor is it about applying external fields to have effect...

"What the physiological software of life means for patient-specific interventions" by Michael Levin 14.10.2025

This is a very brief (~5 minute) explanation I made at a conference on next generation biomedicine about the topic of physiological learning and reprogrammability. I was commenting on the fact that differences in patient responses to interventions are not only due to genetics and epigenetics, but also to the memories made by cells and tissues of past experiences (which will differ greatly across p...

"The biology of apparent selves" by Michael Levin 12.10.2025

This is a ~52-minute talk titled "The Biology of Apparent Selves: Bioengineering Model Systems for the Contemplative Sciences" that I have at the CSCSC 25 (Complex Systems and Contemplative Studies Conference) symposium ( https://luma.com/3vyrtz4j?utm_source=ep-g2M2JDmWHB). CHAPTERS: (00:01) Embodied Minds And TAME (03:30) Beyond Human-Centric Minds (11:36) From Chemistry To Selves (18:49) Bioelec...

Discussion with Alexey Tolchinsky and Patricia Silveira 1 11.10.2025

This is a ~48 minute discussion between Alexey Tolchinsky ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=tiBKmrsAAAAJ&hl=en), Patricia Silveira ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=VexSZ40AAAAJ&hl=en), and me on the topic of molecular markers of trauma and how to extend ideas about the psychology of trauma to minimal models of cognition such as Xenobots and Anthrobots. CHAPTERS: (00:00...

"The Embodied Mind of a New Robot Scientist" by Michael Levin 08.10.2025

This is a ~58 minute talk titled "The Embodied Mind of a New Robot Scientist: symmetries between AI and bioengineering the agential material of life and their impact on technology and on our future" which I gave as a closing Keynote to the ALIFE conference in Japan ( https://2025.alife.org/). This is a different talk than any I've done before, in that besides going over the remarkable capacities o...

"Bioelectricity: a bridge between physics and cognition, by way of biology" by Michael Levin 07.10.2025

This is a ~22 minute talk that I gave remotely at the Tech For Impact Summit 2025 in Japan ( https://tech4impactsummit.com/). It goes very quickly over the idea of bioelectricity as the cognitive glue between different scales of intelligence at the body, allowing top-down control and transduction of high-level goals down to the chemistry. I discuss the idea of agential materials, the goals of nove...

Bioelectricity: A Bridge Between Physics and Cognition, by Way of Biology 23.09.2025

This is a ~54 minute talk I gave, titled ""Bioelectricity: a bridge between physics and cognition, by way of biology", at the National Institute of Health Interest Group "Quantum SIG" (https://oir.nih.gov/sigs/qis-quantum-sensing-biology-interest-group). My talk doesn't contain any quantum biology content per se, but I discuss the idea of top-down control and cognition all the way down, from abstr...

Intrinsic Motivation in Evolved, Engineered, and Hybrid Systems 20.09.2025

This is a ~1 hour talk I gave at the Oxford Robotics Institute called "Intrinsic motivation in evolved, engineered, and hybrid systems: the interface of biophysics, computer science, and behavioral science". It covers our work from the perspective of motivations - what are they (in various unconventional agents, spaces, and scales), how can we predict/change them, and where they "come from". CONNE...

Discussion between Elliot Murphy and Michael Levin 1 18.09.2025

This is a a ~1 hour discussion between Elliot Murphy ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=4AYNRj0AAAAJ&hl=en) and me on the topic of language, evolution, neuroscience, and language models. Elliot's paper: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17588928.2025.2523875 CHAPTERS: (00:00) Neural Basis Of Syntax (19:00) Signatures Of Structured Grammar (30:11) Origins Of Grammatical Stru...

Discussion with Chris Fields and Julian Gough #1 12.09.2025

This is a conversation between Chris Fields ( https://allencenter.tufts.edu/our-team/christopher-a-chris-fields-ph-d/), Julian Gough ( https://theeggandtherock.com/), and me about the theory of selection on the scale of universes and analogies to biology. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Evolutionary Cosmology Overview (10:03) Universe Heredity And Environment (20:10) Universe As Organism (30:58) Fermi Paradox A...

Discussion with Jordi Vallverdú #1 11.09.2025

This is a discussion between Jordi Vallverdú ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Y_Q8AQkAAAAJ&hl=en) and me, around the topic of transferring information from the minds of embodied humans into LLM AI's, and natural, biological analogs of this process (moving cognitive patterns across embodiments). The paper Jordi was referring to: https://journals.bilpubgroup.com/index.php/fls/article/...

Aastha Jain and I interview Robert Gatenby 09.09.2025

This is a ~1 hour interview by Aastha Jain Simes ( https://www.livelongerworld.com/) and I of leading cancer researcher Robert Gatenby ( https://www.moffitt.org/inspiring-stories/dr.-gatenbys-story). Bob talks about the evolutionary and physiology approach to understanding cancer. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Evolutionary Hallmarks of Cancer (12:02) Cooperation Stress Bioelectricity (22:23) Information Therm...

"Mapping Diverse Intelligence Spaces" by Janet Wiles - discussion 06.09.2025

This is a ~36 minute talk by Janet Wiles ( https://about.uq.edu.au/experts/13) "Mapping Diverse Intelligence Spaces: looking for xenobots in computational models of memory and language", followed by a ~24 minute discussion of her work on the intersection of cognitive science, language, robotics, and computer science, and some of our work on evolution and synthetic bioengineering. Slides kindly pro...

Against Mind-Blindness: Recognizing and Communicating with Agential Materials by Michael Levin 02.09.2025

This is a 1 hour 11 minute talk by me called "Against Mind-Blindness: recognizing and communicating with Agential Materials and Beyond". It is a slightly longer, updated version of this talk from last month, containing a bit of new material and a somewhat differently-ordered presentation. CONNECT WITH ME: Podcast Website YouTube Apple Podcasts Spotify Twitter Blog The Levin Lab

Patterns of Form and Behavior Beyond Emergence by Michael Levin 28.08.2025

This is a ~1 hour 15 minute talk titled "Patterns of Form and Behavior Beyond Emergence: how Platonic Space in-forms evolved, engineered, and hybrid embodied minds", which is the kickoff talk for our Symposium on Platonic Space ( https://thoughtforms.life/symposium-on-the-platonic-space/). Here I go slowly step by step to review the data that motivates this unconventional way to look at biology, a...

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