The Whole Mess

we thought growth would feel more straightforward than this. that we'd make progress, learn the lesson, and move on. instead, we find ourselves revisiting the same struggles, dropping the ball, extending grace, receiving accountability, and discovering that transformation is a lot less linear than we expected. in this episode, we're talking about the messy process of becoming and the tension betwe...

what if rest isn’t something you earn… but something you’re invited into? in the first episode of our summer of becoming season, we’re unpacking the discipline of rest: why slowing down can feel uncomfortable, what our culture glorifies, and how true rest goes far deeper than just taking a break. we talk about the tension between striving and stillness, the fear of falling behind, and the reality...

italy made us question more than just travel. in this episode, we talk about slowness, presence, ambition, community, beauty, and what happens when another culture makes you reconsider the way you’ve been living your life... we recorded this conversation while hiking through the mountains, so consider the traffic noise, heavy breathing, and occasional chaos part of the experience. march 9, 2026

welcome back to the whole mess podcast. in this episode, we explore what it really means to be whole. Abby and Katie share their personal journeys with wholeness, how their definitions have changed over time, how those journeys have shaped them, and how they continue to be shaped as they lean in. we talk about the space that needs to be created in order to truly see ourselves and recognize the man...

this episode is a beginning... not a polished one, but an honest one. in our very first conversation, we share the heart behind the whole mess: why we felt called to start this podcast, why curiosity has mattered more to us than certainty, and why faith has often looked less like solid ground and more like stepping onto moving water. we talk about our open-handed “yes” and invite you to join us in...