Centre for the Study of Governance and Society
The Governance Podcast
Conversations on governance with leading social scientists around the world. Run by the Centre for the Study of Governance and Society at King’s College London.
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Mar 17, 2026
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Podcast - Scientific Expertise and Decision-Making Under Uncertainty 17.03.2026 48:07
About the Talk How do we make reliable decisions when our scientific models cannot predict outcomes with absolute certainty? In this episode, Our Associate Director, Dr Roberto Fumagalli, sat down with the speaker of our first Public Lecture under the Market Economies and Green Ideals project, Prof Roman Frigg, to unpack the philosophy of science, physics, and environmental modeling. We explore wh...
Podcast - Knowledge and Expertise in Democratic Politics. 28.01.2025 54:44
About the Talk In this episode of the Governance Podcast Associate Director Sam DeCanio, Dr. Jonny Benson, and Professor Jason Brennan discusses the relationship between knowledge, expertise and democracy. The conversation discusses whether democracy should be understood primarily as a system involving electoral choice, or whether democracy is a type of political system incorporating additional e...
Podcast - False Prophets of Economics Imperialism: a discussion with Matthew Watson 24.01.2025 1:05:16
About the Talk In this episode of The Governance Podcast, CSGS Director Mark Pennington discusses with Matthew Watson some key themes in Matthew’s new book False Prophets of Economics Imperialism. The discussion covers the tension in modern economic theory between mathematical modelling, axiomatic analysis, and their relevance to ‘real world’ empirical phenomena- and the key influencers in 20th Ce...
Podcast - Liberal Democracy and the Challenge of Anti-Democratic Viewpoints 20.01.2025 1:01:06
About the Talk In this episode of the Governance Podcast Mark Pennington discusses with Alasia Nuti the contribution of her new book Politicising Political Liberalism (Oxford University Press, 2024) co-authored with Gabriele Badano. The conversation covers philosophical and practical aspects of how to define when it might be justifiable to limit the spread and influence of anti-democratic views in...
Podcast - The Dispersion of Power: A Critical Realist Theory of Democracy 13.08.2024 1:02:08
About the Talk In this episode of the Governance Podcast, CSGS Director Mark Pennington speaks with Dr Samuel Bagg about his recent book - The Dispersal of Power: A Critical Realist Theory of Democracy, published by Oxford University Press. The book presents an in depth consideration of the problem of 'elite capture' and the possible strategies to address this. The Guest Samuel Bagg is Assistant...
Podcast: Liberal vs Paternalist Approaches to Economic Development Policy with Prof William Easterly 08.03.2024 53:01
About the Talk In this episode of the Governance podcast, our Director Mark Pennington speaks to Prof. William Easterly from New York University on liberal vs paternalist approaches to economic development policy. The Guest William Easterly is Professor of Economics at New York University and Co-director of the NYU Development Research Institute, which won the 2009 BBVA Frontiers of Knowledge in D...
Podcast - Estonia and Socialist Reality with Matthew D. Mitchell 19.02.2024 59:10
About the Talk In this episode of the Governance podcast, our Director Mark Pennington interviews Dr. Matthew Mitchell on the socialist reality in Estonia’s history. This episode is part of Matthew’s co-authored publication as part of the Realities of Socialism series run by the Fraser Institute. The Guest Matthew D. Mitchell is a Senior Fellow in the Centre for Economic Freedom. Prior to joining...
From Panmure House to State Capitalism: Adam Dixon on the relevance of Adam Smith 17.01.2024 59:49
About the Talk In this episode of the podcast, Prof. Mark Pennington interviews Prof. Adam Dixon on the contemporary relevance of the Scottish philosopher and political economist Adam Smith. The Guest Adam D. Dixon holds the Adam Smith Chair in Sustainable Capitalism at Adam Smith’s Panmure House, the last and final home of moral philosopher and father of economics Adam Smith. Professor Dixon is r...
The Life and Times of F.A. Hayek: A Conversation with Bruce Caldwell 14.12.2023 49:11
About the Talk In this episode of the podcast, Prof. Mark Pennington interviews Prof. Bruce Caldwell, one of the co-authors of this recently published book Hayek: A Life. Few twentieth-century figures have been lionized and vilified in such equal measure as Friedrich Hayek—economist, social theorist, leader of the Austrian school of economics, and champion of classical liberalism. Hayek’s erudite...
Podcast: Liberty and Complexity in Liberalism and Conservatism with Dr. Greg Collins 24.10.2023 49:12
About the Talk Can a moral or divine law independent of contingency accommodate the social and economic complexities of circumstance? Does a defense of custom necessarily repudiate the idea of immutable law applicable to all peoples and cultures? Is transcendent universality and spontaneous order reconcilable? This episode explores this age-old tension with reference to the intellectual origins of...
Podcast: When Law sends the Wrong Message: Understanding What Laws Communicate About ‘Socially Acceptable Behavior’ with Shubhangi Roy 16.06.2023 53:51
About the Talk Lawmakers, activists, and academics, often, presume that enacting a law sends a (powerful) message about what is socially desirable and acceptable. At worst, it is presumed that it will stay as ink on paper and not create any change. Therefore, it is considered as a cost-less endeavor with potential for creating great change at low costs. This has led for increase in demand for legi...
Complexity and the Politics of Regulation: A Discussion with Andrew Haldane 17.05.2023 50:47
On this week’s episode of the Governance Podcast, Mark Pennington, the Director at the Study of Governance and Society here at King College London, interviews Andy Haldane. This episode is titled 'Complexity and the Politics of Regulation’, and discusses the governance of financial risk in conditions where it's hard to predict how agents will respond to a given situation and the possibility of err...
‘Too much’ and ‘too little’ content moderation: Internet governance as a case study in advanced liberal modes of government: In Conversation with Terry Flew 19.04.2023 50:52
On this week’s episode of the Governance Podcast, Mark Pennington, the Director at the Study of Governance and Society here at King College London, interviews Professor Terry Flew. This episode is titled "‘Too much’ and ‘too little’ content moderation", and discusses the question of content moderation on digital platforms as a case study in Foucauldian approaches to governmentality. The Guest Terr...
The data that is and that data the isn’t: the pitfalls of using big data: In conversation with Diane Coyle 19.04.2023 50:39
On this week’s episode of the Governance Podcast, Mark Pennington, the Director at the Study of Governance and Society here at King College London, interviews Professor Diane Coyle. This episode is titled "The data that is and that data the isn't: the pitfalls of using big data", and discusses the various uses and implications of big data in society, and the many pitfalls that may arise. The Conv...
Politics and Expertise: In Conversation with Zeynep Pamuk 27.03.2023 36:12
Our ability to act on some of the most pressing issues of our time, from pandemics and climate change to artificial intelligence and nuclear weapons, depends on knowledge provided by scientists and other experts. Meanwhile, contemporary political life is increasingly characterized by problematic responses to expertise, with denials of science on the one hand and complaints about the ignorance of t...
Use of Algorithms in Society: In Conversation with Cass Sunstein 22.03.2023 48:19
On this week’s episode of the Governance Podcast, Mark Pennington, the Director at the Study of Governance and Society here at King College London, interviews Professor Cass R. Sunstein. This episode is titled "The Use of Algorithms in Society", and discusses the various ethical and moral dilemmas and implications of increasing AI us in society, and its impact on both social and economic factors. ...
UK Pensions Crisis and Central Banking: Dr. Steven Klein interviews Prof. Martin Weale 27.10.2022 33:19
On this week’s episode of the Governance Podcast, Dr. Steven Klein interviews Prof. Martin Weale from the Department of Political Economy at King's College London. This episode is titled “UK Pensions Crisis and Central Banking”. This episode discusses the pension funds sell-off that occurred following the UK government's mini-budget in early October 2022 and which led to the Bank of England's inte...
Bettering Humanomics: A Conversation with Deirdre McCloskey 13.06.2022 55:39
This episode explores Prof McCloskey’s criticism of the way the discipline of economics has unfortunately been separated from matters of ethics, the importance of liberal values for human progress, and her calls for a human-centered approach to economics called ‘humanomics’.
Cultures of Expertise in Economics: In Conversation with Dr. Danielle Guizzo 04.05.2022 1:00:36
On this week’s episode of the Governance Podcast, our Director Mark Pennington interviews Dr. Danielle Guizzo from University of Bristol. This episode is titled “Cultures of Expertise in Economics”. This episode explores the way in which the discipline of Economics has evolved over the years, the way economists achieved their status as scientific experts, and how pluralism and diversity may be pro...
Governing Markets as Knowledge Commons with Dr. Erwin Dekker 07.04.2022 1:00:11
On this week’s episode of the Governance Podcast, our Director Prof. Mark Pennington interviews Dr. Erwin Dekker from the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. This episode is titled “Governing Markets as Knowledge Commons”, which features Erwin’s recently co-edited volume with Cambridge University Press, Governing Markets as Knowledge Commons. The Guest Dr. Erwin Dekker is senior fellow wi...
Counterfactual History with Niall Ferguson 30.03.2022 44:22
On this week’s episode of the Governance Podcast, our Associate Director Dr. Samuel DeCanio interviews historian Niall Ferguson from the Hoover Institution. This episode is titled “Counterfactual History with Niall Ferguson”.
Sovereignty and International Law: In Conversation with Carmen Pavel 16.12.2021 1:03:33
On this week’s episode of the Governance Podcast, our Director Prof. Mark Pennington interviews Prof. Carmen Pavel from the Department of Political Economy at King’s College London. This episode is titled “Sovereignty and International Law”, which features Carmen’s recently published book with Oxford University Press Law Beyond the State.
How Neo-Liberal are Contemporary Modes of Governance? In Conversation with Will Davies 13.12.2021 1:00:22
On this week’s episode of the Governance Podcast, our Director Prof. Mark Pennington interviews Prof. Will Davies from Goldsmiths, University of London. This episode is titled “How Neo-Liberal are Contemporary Modes of Governance?”
Culture, Science, and the Predicament of Climate Change: In Conversation with Michael Hulme 08.12.2021 53:27
On this week’s episode of the Governance Podcast, our Director Prof. Mark Pennington interviews Prof. Michael Hulme from Cambridge University. This episode is titled “Culture, Science, and the Predicament of Climate Change”, where he suggests looking at climate change challenges as predicaments for human societies to cope with.
Money and the Rule of Law: In Conversation with Daniel Smith 03.11.2021 43:19
On this week’s episode of the Governance Podcast, our Assistant Director Dr. Bryan Cheang interviews Prof. Daniel Smith from Middle Tennessee State University. This episode features his latest book Money and the Rule of Law, published by Cambridge University Press and co-authored with Alexander Salter and Peter Boettke. Drawing on a wide body of scholarship, this volume presents a novel argument i...
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