Centre for the Study of Governance and Society
The Governance Podcast
Conversations on governance with leading social scientists around the world. Run by the Centre for the Study of Governance and Society at King’s College London.
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Mar 17, 2026
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Understanding and Misunderstanding Governance in Afghanistan: In Conversation with Jennifer Murtazashvili 22.10.2021 54:53
On this week’s episode of the Governance Podcast, our Director Prof. Mark Pennington, interviews Prof. Jennifer Murtazashvili from the University of Pittsburgh. This episode features her latest book Land, the State and War, published by Cambridge University Press. The book employs a historical narrative, extensive fieldwork and a national survey to explore how private property institutions develop...
Social Movements and Liberal Political Economy: In Conversation with Mikayla Novak 12.08.2021 56:56
On this week's episode of the Governance Podcast, our Director Prof. Mark Pennington, interviews Dr Mikayla Novak from the Australian National University. This episode features her latest book Freedom in Contention: Social Movements and Liberal Political Economy , which explores social movement activities and outcomes through the lens of liberal political economy. Using historical and contemporar...
Should Everything Be for Sale? In Conversation with Mark Pennington 03.08.2021 39:19
On this week's episode of the Counterintuitive Series on the Governance Podcast, Professor Mark Pennington (King's College London) argues that if not quite everything, then a great many things, ought to be legally for sale. From kidneys, to drugs, to sex, to votes, how much ought the market be allowed to freely trade in?
The Bloomington School: beyond the romance of ideologies with Prakash Kashwan 28.06.2021 1:12:19
In the latest issue of the Governance podcast Mark Pennington interviews Prakash Kashwan of the University of Connecticut. The conversation considers the political economy foundations of the Bloomington school with in-depth discussion on the role of power, institutions, and incentives in the analysis of common pool resource problems.
Identity Politics as Modern Duelling? In Conversation with Clif Mark 01.06.2021 30:10
What can early modern practices of duelling teach us about the contemporary 'culture wars' over identity politics? According to Dr Clif Mark, a lot more than you might think. Join us for this episode of the Counterintuitive Series on the Governance Podcast.
Post Truth Politics? In Conversation with Matt Sleat 29.04.2021 41:21
That we live in an era of 'post truth politics' has become a widespread mantra since the shock of the Brexit vote and the 2016 election of Donald Trump. But Matt Sleat (University of Sheffield) believes this is a mistake: politics is no more 'post truth' now than it has ever been. To understand what has been happening, we need to look elsewhere. Join us on this episode of the Counterintuitive Seri...
Universal Basic Income: Free Money for All? In Conversation with Diana Popescu 06.04.2021 46:44
Diana Popescu (Department of Political Economy, King's College London) joins the Counterintuitive Series of the Governance Podcast this week to argue that Universal Basic Income - the state giving money to everybody, for free, and unconditionally - is a realistic and desirable policy, one that governments around the world should take seriously. Subscribe on iTunes and Spotify Subscribe to the Gove...
The Case for Direct Democracy: In Conversation with Jonathan Benson 14.03.2021 35:18
Given the upheavals unleashed by the Brexit referendum of 2016, many are now wary of direct democracy. But Jonathan Benson (Utrecht University) argues that to improve our current politics we need more, not less, direct involvement of the people in decision-making. Join us on this episode of the Counterintuitive Series on the Governance Podcast. Subscribe on iTunes and Spotify Subscribe to the Gove...
Should the State Recognise Marriage? In Conversation with Clare Chambers 10.02.2021 38:29
In the first episode of the Counterintuitive Series on the Governance Podcast, Professor Clare Chambers (University of Cambridge) defends the ideal of the marriage free state. She argues that for reasons of justice and equality, the state should not legally recognise - and therefore, privilege - any particular form of marriage. And until it ceases to do so, we must consider its actions unjust. Sub...
Political Parties And the Health of Democracy: In Conversation with Ian Shapiro 11.12.2020 47:51
Why are political parties important for liberal democracy? Which institutional reforms can alleviate the burdens of globalisation on the working class? Join us on this episode of the Governance Podcast for a conversation between Steven Klein (King’s College London) and Ian Shapiro (Yale) on the major governance challenges facing advanced democracies and how they might be solved. Subscribe on iTune...
Self-Governance in Public Policy: In Conversation with Simon Kaye 03.12.2020 45:46
Join us on this episode of the governance podcast between Simon Kaye and Mark Pennington for a conversation on the impact of Elinor Ostrom's work on public policy. Simon Kaye discusses his latest report for the New Local on how the ideas of self-governance and community power can transform public services in the UK. Subscribe on iTunes and Spotify Subscribe to the Governance Podcast on iTunes an...
Prisons and the Origins of Social Order: In Conversation with David Skarbek 24.03.2020 50:27
David Skarbek (Brown University) describes his ethnographic work on prison governance as a historical analogy to the emergence of states. Join us in this episode of the Governance Podcast led by John Meadowcroft (King’s College London) for a vibrant discussion on how governance emerges (or doesn’t) in different social landscapes, from prisons and gulags to clans and nation-states. Subscribe on iTu...
Poverty, Informality and Politics in India: In Conversation with Tariq Thachil 04.03.2020 46:05
Slums are home to 850 million people worldwide, making them prime territory for distributive politics. In this episode of the Governance Podcast, Tariq Thachil (Vanderbilt University) sits down with Irena Schneider (King’s College London) to discuss the counterintuitive ways in which governance emerges amidst poverty and informality in Indian cities. Subscribe on iTunes and Spotify Subscribe to th...
Womanhood in Tocqueville's Democracy: In Conversation with Sarah Wilford 25.02.2020 54:05
Alexis de Tocqueville argued that American democracy was rooted in associational life. What role did women play in building this capacity for association? In this episode of the Governance Podcast, Dr Sarah Wilford (University of the Andes) sits down with Dr Irena Schneider (King's College London) to discuss how the domestic sphere shapes free societies and stems the tide of democratic despotism. ...
The Case Against the Sovereign State: In Conversation with David Thunder 17.02.2020 57:06
David Thunder (University of Navarra) argues that many modern political theorists, from Hobbes to Rawls, overstate the importance of state sovereignty. He envisions an alternative, polycentric form of social organisation that can support one’s freedom to flourish. Tune in for his argument in this episode of the Governance Podcast led by Billy Christmas (King’s College London). Subscribe on iTunes...
Socialism and the Future of Heterodox Economics: In Conversation with Geoffrey Hodgson 06.02.2020 58:07
Is socialism feasible? What is the future of heterodox economics after the financial crisis? In this episode of the Governance Podcast, Mark Pennington (King's College London) sits down with Geoffrey Hodgson (Loughborough University London) for a wide-ranging conversation on the nature of social democracy, neoliberalism, and new paradigms in economics. Subscribe on iTunes and Spotify Subscribe to...
Fukuyama on Liberalism, Dignity and Identity: In Conversation with Humeira Iqtidar and Paul Sagar 27.01.2020 43:45
Where are the fault lines in the modern liberal project? In this episode of the Governance Podcast, Dr Humeira Iqtidar and Dr Paul Sagar of King's College London tackle this question in a dialogue on Francis Fukuyama's new book, Identity: The Demand for Dignity and the Politics of Resentment. Subscribe on iTunes and Spotify Subscribe to the Governance Podcast on iTunes and Spotify today and g...
Migration and Economic Development: In Conversation with Volha Charnysh 09.01.2020 35:17
How does migration affect economic development? In this episode of the Governance Podcast, Volha Charnysh (MIT) talks to Humeira Iqtidar (King's College London) about this complex relationship, drawing on extensive fieldwork and archival data on forced migration in Post-World War II Germany and Poland. Subscribe on iTunes and Spotify Subscribe to the Governance Podcast on iTunes and Spotify ...
The Politics of Order in Informal Markets: In Conversation with Shelby Grossman 16.12.2019 30:09
Social science theories suggest that informal governance thrives when the state is weak. Shelby Grossman of Stanford University argues otherwise. In this episode of the Governance Podcast, she sits down with John Meadowcroft (King's College London) to discuss the relationship between markets, states and informal institutions in Lagos, Nigeria. Subscribe on iTunes and Spotify Subscribe to the Gove...
The Governance of Science: In Conversation with Terence Kealey and David Edgerton 04.12.2019 56:49
How does science drive the economy? What are the origins of the creative sector, and how should it be governed? In this episode of the Governance Podcast, David Edgerton (King's College London) sits down with Terence Kealey (University of Buckingham) to discuss the counterintuitive role science plays, and should play, in society. Subscribe on iTunes and Spotify Subscribe to the Governance Podcast...
How Ideas Govern Public Life: A Conversation with Mark Bevir 21.11.2019 1:00:37
What can we know about the social world, and how much of it can we control? How high are the stakes in the battle between positivism and interpretive social science? In this episode of the Governance Podcast, Mark Pennington (King’s College London) and Mark Bevir (UC Berkeley) discuss wide-ranging questions about the influence of philosophy and social science on public policy. Subscribe on iTunes...
Self-Governing Social Orders, Economic Methods and Academic Women 14.11.2019 1:13:12
In this special roundtable discussion on the Governance Podcast, we sit down with Jennifer Murtazashvili (Pittsburgh), Liya Palagashvili (SUNY Purchase) and Shruti Rajagopalan (Mercatus Center) to discuss their research on self-governing social orders outside the west, the future of economic methodology and the challenges women face in academic science. Subscribe on iTunes and Spotify Subscribe to...
Forms of Domination in the Market: A Conversation with Elizabeth Anderson 05.11.2019 54:45
Can employers wield dictatorial power over employees? Join us for a lively discussion between Mark Pennington (King’s College London) and Elizabeth Anderson (University of Michigan) on how power accumulates in the market, which institutions can ameliorate the problem, and how Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE) as a discipline helps us understand the human condition. Subscribe on iTunes and S...
Can We Trust the Polls? A Conversation With Roger Mortimore 29.10.2019 51:51
In this special episode of the Governance Podcast, we're partnering with Andrew Blick of the KCL Centre for British Politics and Government to discuss all things public opinion with Roger Mortimore, Professor at King's College London and Director of Political Analysis at Ipsos Mori. As a leading social scientist behind the UK general election exit poll, Professor Mortimore takes us through the ori...
States as Laboratories for Policy Experimentation: In Conversation with Jenna Bednar 09.10.2019 33:58
How do states learn how to solve problems? Does federalism create chaos or diffuse conflict in complex societies? Join us for this conversation between Hanna Kleider (King’s College London) and Jenna Bednar (University of Michigan) on the key challenges and benefits of multi-layered governance. Subscribe on iTunes and Spotify Subscribe to the Governance Podcast on iTunes and Spotify today and...
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