The Australian Institute of Company Directors

The Dismal Science

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Join the AICD's Chief Economist Mark Thirlwell GAICD for this weekly deep dive into the latest economic news from Australia and around the world. From interest rates to trade wars and everything in between, we have you covered.

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Jun 10, 2026

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Episodes

A New Podcast From the AICD 10.06.2026

AICD is proud to announce the launch of a brand new podcast offering - Director Download.  Director Download   is a weekly podcast series that keeps directors and senior leaders ahead of evolving governance obligations.  Each episode features conversations with policy experts and leading directors to unpack complex governance challenges and deliver practical insights that can be applied in the boa...

220 - The RBA's Confident-but-also-Uncertain rate cut 23.05.2025

When the RBA cut rates back in February this year it sounded cautious. This time it sounded confident. At least kind of. It also sounded pretty uncertain about the global economy...but then who isn't these days? This week's episode of the pod gives its quick take on the May 2025 rate cut and the prospects for more to come.  For more insights from the AICD's Chief Economist Mark Thirlwell head to h...

219 - Markets, Tariffs, and the RBA Outlook 16.05.2025

In this week's episode, we unpack the post-election market rally, Trump's unexpected retreat on tariffs and renewed trade talks with China, fresh data on wages and unemployment, and what to expect from next week's RBA meeting. A quick but sharp look at the key economic signals shaping the week. For more from AICD's Chief Economist Mark Thirlwell, head to: https://www.aicd.com.au/news-media/economi...

218 - What should the RBA do? 02.05.2025

The RBA's new Monetary Policy Board meets later this month to consider the case for a second rate cut in the current easing cycle. What will it make of Australia's election campaign, this week's inflation numbers, the recent rash of international forecast downgrades from the IMF, WTO and World Bank, and ongoing global trade policy uncertainty? Still high on Easter chocolate, the pod offers its uns...

Special - Trump, Tariffs and Turmoil 16.04.2025

Instead of the traditional Easter Egg, the Dismal Science pod has a quick take on the implications of 'Liberation Day' and its aftermath in its Easter basket. It's tariff free! (Note, contents may include some discussion of trade policy tools.) For more economic insights from the AICD's Chief Economist Mark Thirlwell, including his weekly economic update, head to: https://www.aicd.com.au/news-medi...

Dismal Science Live at AGS: US Markets, CHIPS Act, Geopolitical Shifts, and Australian Economic Concerns 13.03.2025

In this live from the Australian Governance Summit episode, hosts Raphael Dixon and Mark Thurwal analyze current economic and geopolitical developments. They discuss the "Trump trade" market fluctuations, US CHIPS Act's mixed impact on semiconductor manufacturing, and China's growing chip capabilities. The conversation covers Germany's potential defense spending increase, US steel tariffs affectin...

217 - GDP Relief and a Fracturing Global Order 06.03.2025

This week on the Dismal Science, Raphael and Mark dissect the latest Australian GDP figures, revealing the end of the per capita recession, though productivity remains a concern with a third consecutive quarter of falling GDP per hour worked. Turning their attention to the global stage, they examine the evolving economic landscape in the United States, with the Atlanta Fed now forecasting contract...

216 - Eight reasons a soft landing is uncertain 27.02.2025

This week, Raphael and Mark dissect the latest inflation data and react to recent rate cuts, examining whether the soft landing declared by the IMF is truly secure . Mark shares a sneak peek of his upcoming article in Company Director magazine, outlining  eight key global uncertainties that could derail the current economic outlook. They explore topics such as diverging central bank rate paths, th...

215 - 🍾 Rate Cut Victory Lap! 🍾 AI's Sputnik Moment & the US' Smoot-Hawley Moment. 19.02.2025

We're back, and we force Mark to take a victory lap for his February rate cut prediction! We dive into the details of the RBA's decision and its implications for future cuts . Then, we dissect the market freakout following the release of Deepseek's open-source AI model . What does it say about AI market leaders' valuations, the effectiveness of export controls and the future of AI? Finally, we dis...

Special - Tech, AI, the New World Order, and the Future of Growth 06.01.2025

We're taking a break from our usual format to look at some of the big technological and economic themes of 2024, and where they are going in 2025 and into the future. Mark and Raph discuss the explosion of AI and where it might be headed, as well as its impact on financial markets. We contemplate what might constitute the next big wave of global innovation. Will AI prove to be transformative or me...

Special - 2024 Wrap Up: A Year of Living Conservatively Ft. Su-Lin Ong 17.12.2024

This week we are joined by Su-Lin Ong, Managing Director, Chief Economist & Senior Corporate Relationship Manager of RBC Capital Markets. Together Mark and Su-lin reflect on Australia's economic conditions and the RBA's 2024 performance. They unpack why the RBA has held interest rates steady for so long – and what this means for Australia's economic outlook, including a (mild) disagreement on the...

214 - February Rate Cut Back On The Table? 11.12.2024

The RBA keeps interest rates on hold, but the big news is a change in tone that suggests Mark's long predicted February rate cut is back on the table. Also, Mark looks back at his predictions from a year ago, revisiting his forecasts for inflation, unemployment, and economic growth. Get your ticket to AGS:  https://www.aicd.com.au/events/australian-governance-summit.html Subscribe to Mark's weekly...

213 - GDP Growth Stumbles, Per Capita Recession Deepens, Will the RBA Hold Firm? 04.12.2024

This week, we examine Australia's latest soft GDP figures. The headline number is a weak 0.3% quarterly expansion, the lowest rate of annual growth since the pandemic with private sector demand contributing nothing to this meager growth figure. Will the RBA stay the course with rates on hold in the face of a deepening per capita recession and falling living standards? We also look at what's drivin...

212 - Is Germany Kaput? Lessons for Australia in a Deglobalising World 27.11.2024

This week, the Dismal Science turns its attention to Europe's economic powerhouse - Germany. We examine the country's recent economic struggles, exploring the reasons behind its faltering performance, including the war in Ukraine, rising energy costs, and the rise of Chinese manufacturing. We discuss whether these challenges are merely cyclical or point to deeper structural issues with the German...

211 - Rate Cut Prediction on Life Support? Labour Market Holds Strong & COP29 Gets Political 20.11.2024

This week on the Dismal Science, Mark and Raph take a look at the latest Australian labour market figures and what it means for Mark's increasingly shaky call for a February rate cut. Is the RBA being too pessimistic about what the unemployment rate associated with full employment needs to be? Plus, the Dismal Science takes a metaphorical visit to Baku for COP 29 and finds "upside-down geopolitics...

US Election Special: The Return of Tariff Man 14.11.2024

Join Mark and Raph to unpack the potential economic implications of the US election result. We examine some of the key economic policy pledges that President Elect President Donald Trump made during the campaign, from tariffs to taxes, and discuss the possible ramifications for interest rates, inflation, growth, and other economic variables. President Trump's proposals could send US average tariff...

210 - Wage Growth Slows, Consumer Sentiment Lifts...but for How Long? 14.11.2024

This week on The Dismal Science, we examine the latest economic data releases, including wage growth figures, consumer and business sentiment surveys, and the AICD's Director Sentiment Index. The Wage Price Index showed annual growth slowing to 3.5%, a welcome development for the RBA in its fight against inflation. But with productivity growth stalling, will this be enough to see interest rate cut...

209 - US Election Volatility! Plus the RBA Holds, But For How Long? 08.11.2024

The big news this week is the US presidential election. Markets are reacting in real time as results come in - we look at the volatility and what it means for Australia. Closer to home, the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) left interest rates unchanged for the eighth consecutive month. We examine the RBA's latest forecasts, which suggest a slightly softer economic outlook than previously predicted,...

208 - Inflation Cools, But Services Stay Hot. Will Rate Cuts Come Sooner? 01.11.2024

This week we look at the latest Australian inflation figures. The September quarter CPI figures came in slightly better than expected, with the headline numbers showing a decrease in inflation. This was largely driven by government rebates and falling fuel prices. However, services inflation remains stubbornly high. Additionally, some commentators are suggesting a December rate cut is possible...w...

207 - IMF says "Mission Accomplished"? Bumper jobs numbers, and revisiting Mark's prediction... 25.10.2024

Today we have an in-depth look at the IMF's latest World Economic Outlook report, before returning home to dissect the bumper jobs numbers and latest consumer confidence numbers. In brief, it was an optimistic outlook from the IMF, begging the question, is central bank credibility back? With that said, champagne flutes should remain in the fridge, as there are still a litany of risks to the global...

206 - Oil price swings, China stimulus fallout, RBA minutes, and consumer confidence. 10.10.2024

Another week, another economic roller coaster.   Join Mark and Raph to discuss the recent volatility in oil prices , driven by factors including the Israel-Iran conflict and speculation about Chinese stimulus measures. We then unpack the latest RBA minutes , analysing the central bank's current thinking on interest rates and its assessment of the economic outlook. Have they made a dovish turn? Fin...

205 - Housing is cooling, back to back surpluses, we're still unproductive, and the complexities of oil pricing. 03.10.2024

Much to discuss on the agenda today.  We unpack recent housing data, exploring the slowdown in price and rent growth alongside lagging approvals. Retail sales showed strength - but the RBA and other analysts disagree on why. Were they impacted by the weather, stage 3 tax cuts, or an early father's day? Mark will be the judge. Additionally, Australia has hit a fiscal milestone with back-to-back bud...

204 - Inflation trends maybe good? Interest rates stuck & China's sweeping monetary moves. 26.09.2024

We begin with a look at recent inflation data. While headline inflation has decreased, Mark explore why the underlying numbers suggest continued vigilance is necessary. Our discussion then turns to the Reserve Bank of Australia's latest decision to maintain current interest rates. The focal point of our episode is China's economic situation. We address: The ongoing property sector challenges Weak...

203 - Labour market news, a pacy 50 bps Fed rate cut, and how Middle East unrest affects us down here. 20.09.2024

In this short but packed episode, we go through the complex economic landscape facing Australia and the world. We discuss the significance of the still tight Australian labour market and its implications for monetary policy, dissect why the US Federal Reserve decided on a rather large 50 basis point rate cut, and explore how Middle East tensions could spark global economic instability. All these f...

202 - Central bank independence in a changing world; from the RBA to the CBRT 13.09.2024

Prompted by proposed changes to Australia's Reserve Bank, as well as increased criticism of central banks globally, today we discuss what central bank independence means, its historical development, and the evidence for its effectiveness. Mark analyses key moments in the formation of modern central bank theory including "The golden age of central banks " of the pre-2008 era , the impact of the Glo...

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