The Co-Living Show

Paul Moore of BiggerPockets joins Craig and Zeona in today’s show to talk about his real estate journey. After a 5-year stint at Ford Motor Company, he became a serial entrepreneur and then a commercial real estate developer. Now, he is a managing partner at Wellings Capital, a podcast host, and an author. Paul goes a little bit into his books “The Perfect Investor” and “Storing Up Profits” as he...

In 2015, Paul Thompson realized that he needed income-generating assets so he decided to try properties. He got laid off from his job in 2017, but now, he has 50 single-family units and is transforming people’s lives through real estate and business ownership. In this episode, Paul looks back on his foray into real estate, breaks down his very first deal, and shares the steps he took to build his...

Garrett Terrell is an agent at eXp Realty who became a broker in 2018, learned the ropes, and got good at selling residential real estate. At the end of 2019, he started getting into rentals and flips. Now, he has 8 units under his belt, and he has just recently discovered BiggerPockets! In this episode, Garrett talks about his “backwards house hacking” journey and breaks down the numbers for his...

After first learning about house hacking in the fall of 2016, Jeff White closed a 4-unit property in August 2017 and got to work. Now, he has 5 house hacks and is a member of the FI Team—all while holding down his W-2 job! In this episode, Jeff walks us through his bumpy start, how he dealt with tenants who were on a tourist visa, and his transition from multifamily to single-family homes. If you’...

Jonathan Hayek worked low-paying W-2 jobs for nearly a decade before getting into real estate investing. He househacked his first live-in flip, saw success, and closed 22 rental doors within 4 years(!) through luck, creativity, and hard work. He quit his teaching job in 2019 and has been doing real estate full-time since then. In this episode, Jonathan dives into the details of his first deal, the...

Necessity drove Todd Baldwin to get a job at the age of 12. He started his first business at 15, learned about real estate while he was in high school, and then bought his first house at 23. Two years later, he became a millionaire. How? He maximized the rent-by-the-room strategy! In this episode, Todd walks us through all that he has been able to achieve thanks to his do-or-die attitude. He goes...

Avery Heilbron is a data analyst for a life insurance company whose journey to FI began after a serendipitous purchase in a bookstore. He started house hacking in Boston, Massachusetts—which is an expensive market—and saw success. Now, he has a Youtube channel and does coaching on the side. In this episode, Avery shares the action steps he took for his first few properties and the lessons he learn...

If you’re in it for the long haul, it’s possible to be financially independent through real estate even without being an aggressive investor! Wayne Loux first discovered FI in high school. But in college, he learned more about buy-and-hold, started crunching the numbers, and got licensed in 2007. He and his college roommate-turned-business partner house hacked their first property (before house ha...

Travis Watts was in love with the concept of passive income and knew there were great opportunities in real estate so, when the market crashed, he just went for it! Starting with a househack, he tried a variety of different strategies. But in 2016, he decided to transition to real estate syndication, and he has been investing and earning passively ever since. In this episode, Travis shares his eas...

Matt Nora is all about taking action. After working in accounting for 2 years and realizing that it didn’t make him happy, he moved out to Denver. Determined to make it as a broker, he slept on a mattress in an unfinished basement for about a year. After getting his first property, he immediately househacked it—during the pandemic! Matt looks back on how he got into real estate and met Craig. He b...

When the waves get rough, what matters is how you surf. Former car salesman Dave Panozzo and his wife Kim got bitten by the real estate bug in the late ‘90s. They started doing flips and rentals, but then the financial crisis of 2008 hit. He started a construction company, they managed to recoup their losses and saw great success. Now, Dave is a full-time CEO of The Panozzo Team Real Estate Group....

People who start getting into real estate usually do so after learning about FI. It was the other way around for Mindy Jensen . She first heard about FI from her husband, Carl, but she had been doing live-in flips before she even met him. Now, she’s a community manager on BiggerPockets and the co-host of the BiggerPockets Money podcast. In the previous episode, Carl revealed how he and his wife wo...

FIRE may be more difficult for some, but it is doable if you’re willing to put in the time and leverage your strengths. If you’re still hesitant about starting, Carl Jensen is an example that neither age nor family obligations are an excuse. He’s a recovering engineer who was already married (to Mindy from BiggerPockets!) with 2 kids when he first learned about FI. Carl shares how he was able to r...

Joining Craig and Zeona on the show today is JohnEFinance from TikTok! He has a degree in finance but only got high on FI after listening to a couple of podcasts, BiggerPockets included. Just a year after graduating, he was able to save enough money to close his first property. John explains how he pulled off his first house hack during the pandemic. He discusses financing strategies, the advantag...

We cannot stress this enough: Money is made over time in real estate—so get started today! Take it from our guest, Jacob Lapp. He started a house painting business, got his real estate license, and through house hacks, he’s achieved financial independence—and he’s only 24! In this episode, Jacob looks back on his transition from vocational school to real estate investing. He also talks about his p...

When you know what you want, sometimes you just have to go for it. This is what Bradley Dosch did when he first learned about FI in 2019. He educated himself about real estate investing while traveling, he bought a house and got right into househacking! This week, Brad dives into how he found his first property, the renovations he did, and how the pandemic affected his rentals. He also highlights...

It’s never too late to start getting into real estate!  Nicole Rueth  first learned how to capitalize on real estate as a means to achieve FI when she was 41. Now, she has 24 investment properties under her belt, and she and her team are operating in 22 states—with plans to reach even more by next summer! In this phenomenal episode, Nicole gives us an overview of her diverse portfolio and her goal...

Erin is a tech startup nerd, CrossFit enthusiast, and first-time real estate investor in Denver, Colorado. Erin’s appetite for entrepreneurship led her to join a fast-paced tech startup where she leads customer success and is learning first-hand how to build a business from the ground up. Her first real estate investment has already shown her the power of house hacking and a clear path to financia...

Jordan Smith was working as a consultant when he first discovered BiggerPockets in 2017. He started taking steps to get into real estate investing, but it was only when COVID hit that he really decided to focus on achieving FI—taking inspiration from Craig and Zeona (!). In this week’s episode, Jordan gives an overview of his foray into real estate investing, breaking down the numbers of his first...

After encountering Mr. Money Mustache about a decade ago, Ernesto Hernandez shifted his priorities and investing interests. He left his W2 and through prudent financial management, was able to help his mom buy a house of her own, and is now flipping houses full-time and serving as an investor agent in the Bay Area. In this episode, Ernesto goes in-depth with his BRRRRs and how this strategy taught...

Today on the show, Craig and Zeona are joined by Matt Giovanisci—CEO of Swim University and Brew Cabin, website designer and developer, AND music producer! He used to be terrible with money but with a little help from his mom (!) and reading the usual suspects, he has achieved FI through pure creativity and good old-fashioned hustle.  Real estate investing is only a fraction of what this guy is up...

Some people are well on their way to FI before even realizing what it is, and Luc Nadeau was one of them! Through rentals and buy-and-hold, this jack-of-all-trades investor generated enough equity and passive income to retire at the age of 42! This week, Craig and Zeona sit down with Luc to talk about his real estate deals and how it got him out of debt, the advantages of DIY’ing rehabs and repair...

After 3 corporate jobs,  Avery Carl  realized that she did not make a good employee! Her first foray into real estate catapulted her into short-term and vacation rentals, and  The Short Term Shop  was born! Thanks to her go-getter attitude, she has over 30 properties under her belt and was one of The Wall Street Journal’s Top 100 Agents in 2020. This week, Avery talks about her vacation home loan...

Jason Moore had a $20,000 student debt and a dream to see the world, so he worked as a “glorified carny” and traveled all over the US and overseas—for over a decade! He eventually bought his first property and turned it into a rental for passive income. Now, he’s based in Norway with his wife and kids, helping others achieve that same location independent lifestyle he’s created. Whether you live o...

Today on the show, we welcome hustler, inspirational investor, and member of the FI Team,  Ben Rhodin ! He lost his W2 job because of COVID, but instead of taking it easy, he used his free time to get into real estate investing. He managed his parents’ rentals, learned about financing, closed his first property, renovated it, and got his license—all in 2020(!). From film school graduate to real es...