Associated Bodywork & Massage Professionals
The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage & Bodywork Profession
Our goal is to speak with luminaries and experts in and around massage and bodywork to help expound upon and better understand our profession and our practices.
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Jul 7, 2026
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Ep 29 - Ask ABMP: We Answer Your Questions on topics from COVID-related Coagulopathy to State Licensing Changes to Body Mechanics 15.09.2020 22:46
Send your future questions to podcast@abmp.com . The podcast sponsored by: Anatomy Trains Guests: Eric Stephenson is a 20-year massage veteran and Chief Wellness Officer for Elements Massage. Eric is also Co-Founder of imassage, Inc., an education and consulting company dedicated to extending the careers of massage therapists and spa practitioners through customized continuing education fo...
Ep 28 - Can This Relationship Be Saved? "I Have a Client Who …" Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner 11.09.2020 14:00
In this episode, a client might be disappointed. A therapist is very concerned. And we don't know what will happen next. When a "pinched nerve" that has been quiet for six months suddenly creates symptoms in the middle of a massage, what's a therapist to do? We will talk about what could be going on here (including some fascinating things about nerve-generated pain), and what the best next steps c...
Ep 27 – Surfacing Hidden Suffering with Massage & Bodywork Columnist Cindy Williams 08.09.2020 30:29
Recent events have turned our world upside down. Our routines have been altered, our freedoms have been compromised, and fear of harm is at an all-time high. It's natural to feel powerful emotions like stress, sadness, and grief in times like these. In this episode, author and instructor Cindy Williams, LMT, talks about what happens when these emotions become too powerful or uncomfortable to manag...
Ep 26 - Hernia - "I Have a Client Who …" Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner 04.09.2020 10:36
Guess the p athology: an e gg-sized l ump in the g roin . In this episode of "I Have a Client Who …" a massage therapist describes a client who comes in asking for groin work—to help with a "knot . " What on earth is going on? It turns out to be simple, but way, way outside our scope of practice—to label, or to treat. Inguinal hernias are common injuries in men, because the...
Ep 25 – "The Client is Always Right … Really?" with Cal Cates and Kerry Jordan of Healwell 01.09.2020 29:29
Everyone is selling something, massage therapists and bodyworkers included. It's all about how you sell what you're selling. What MTs and bodyworkers are really selling is an hour of their complete, undivided attention and caring. But what happens when the client is "right," but factually wrong? Cal Cates and Kerry Jordan of Healwell have some thoughts about the difference between the validity...
Ep 24 – Patent Foramen Ovale - "I Have a Client Who …" with Ruth Werner 28.08.2020 16:17
A man has a stroke at age 35. He fully recovers, but is put on a lifelong prescription of anticoagulants. What is going on, and will he ever be able to receive the deep massage he wants? In this episode of "I Have a Client Who …" we look at a common anomaly called patent foramen ovale . We discuss its connection to cryptogenic stroke (and we even dive into migraine for a hot second)....
Ep 23 – The State of PPE in Massage with Alison Harmelin and Amir Hemmat of Zeel 25.08.2020 34:06
Zeel Co-Founder Alison Harmelin and Zeel Senior Director of Public Health and Workplace Safety Amir Hemmat discuss the current state of PPE for massage therapists, including how to prioritize which products to use and which partners to trust, how to plan ahead so you're not caught unprepared in your practice, and what steps Zeel is taking to ensure the safety of their therapists and...
Ep 22 - Fractured Sternum. "I Have a Client Who …" with Ruth Werner 21.08.2020 12:12
A client who was recently in a motor vehicle accident was "cleared for massage" by her primary care provider. But it turns out she had no X-rays and that hid the fact that she sustained a fracture to her sternum. What is the responsibility of the massage therapist when a client has been "cleared for massage"? Ruth has some thoughts. Interesting links: Despite deaths, injuries and recalls, air...
Ep 21 - Lighten Up and Slow Down with Cathy Ryan: A Discussion About Fascia and Scar Tissue 18.08.2020 30:27
Author and educator Cathy Ryan joins the pod to discuss her love of fascia and how her work has been informed and changed by research over her 30-year career. We discuss Cathy's approach to working with scar tissue, deep dive into the wound-healing process, and talk about the possibility of facilitating change in both mature scars and those soon after insult. This episode sponsored by: Yomass...
Ep 20 - Undiagnosed Rash: What Do You Think It Is? "I Have a Client Who …" with Ruth Werner 14.08.2020 15:48
An older long-time client is on the table, midway through her massage. When the MT undrapes her leg, she finds a string of red blisters from the client's buttock down the leg. "Oh, yeah, it's kind of itchy," says the client. In this episode, we talk about undiagnosed skin lesions, and how carefully we need to talk about them. Then, we take a deeper dive into shingles: what causes it, what the risk...
Ep 19 - Change Your Breath, Change Your Health with James Nestor, bestselling author of "Breath: The New Science of a Lost Art" 11.08.2020 46:28
Is it possible that mouth breathing has contributed to, and exacerbated, numerous health conditions? New York Times bestselling author James Nestor wants to convert you into a nose breather. He spent years in laboratories and ancient burial sites, working with researchers at Stanford, University of Pennsylvania, and other institutions to figure out what went wrong with our breathing—and how...
Ep 18 - Shoulder injury—Or Is It?—"I Have a Client Who ..." with Ruth Werner 07.08.2020 15:35
A client complaining of seemingly uncomplicated shoulder pain has a very complicated issue indeed—the wrong choices here could have led to very serious repercussions. Pathology educator Ruth Werner shares one of her own "I Have a Client Who …" stories involving a neighbor, her garden, and her mysterious, stubborn shoulder pain—that turned out not to be shoulder pain. Are you interested in referr...
Ep 17 - The Sacred Sacrum with Massage & Bodywork columnist Cindy Williams 04.08.2020 35:13
The sacrum is held with a reverence because of its energetic, structural, and nervous system significance. Working to create positive change in this area can help balance your clients. Listen as Massage & Bodywork columnist Cindy Williams equips MTs with the information needed to foster a safe working environment for both MTs and clients, removing fears of working in this area. This episode spon...
Ep 16 - Essential Tremor—"I Have a Client Who …" with Ruth Werner 31.07.2020 14:02
A beloved long-time client is already affected by heart disease and diabetes. Now his hands have begun shaking too. Is there a safe way to help him, given his medical history? In this episode, pathology educator Ruth Werner addresses the complex overlap of conditions that this client lives with, with special attention to his latest challenge: essential tremor, a common, sometimes debilitating prob...
Ep 15 - Emotional First Aid with Chopra Center Certified Angie Parris-Raney 28.07.2020 31:03
How do emotions affect our biology? What determines how we interpret an experience? How do we navigate a heated exchange? How can understanding emotional intelligence help us? Listen as we wrap up our three-part mini-series on communication skills with Angie Parris-Raney, a 20-year MT who also has certification in Chopra Center meditation. Conscious communication means stopping during an altercati...
Ep 14 - A Stroke Survivor's Prognosis—"I Have a Client Who ..." with Ruth Werner 24.07.2020 18:00
A client recovering from a stroke seems to have given up on getting any better. His massage therapist would like to help, but what can they do? Pathology educator Ruth Werner dives into an "I have a client who ..." story with a description of stroke, how it affects function, and the role of massage therapy in this context. This is a complicated situation that also involves ethical boundaries, comm...
Ep 13 - This is Your Client's Session with Boulder Massage Therapy Institute instructor Nancy Saunders 21.07.2020 29:19
Organization, communication, and trust are the three pillars Nancy Saunders's bodywork practice, and important skills she establishes when educating new professionals at the Boulder Massage Therapy Institute in Colorado. From the basics of connecting often with clients to the physical appearance of your space—especially during COVID-19—Nancy reminds us of the importance of setting and holding your...
Ep 12 - Improving Your Client Communication Skills with Dr. Kerry Mitchell 15.07.2020 35:38
What does successful client communication look like? It involves active listening, foregoing judgment and assumptions, and clear direction. University of Denver assistant teaching professor Dr. Kerry Mitchell guides listeners on being present for your clients during COVID-19, "selling the why" during difficult conversations, and being aware of verbal triggers. The episode is sponsored by: Yoma...
Ep 11 - The Ups and Downs of Online Learning with Whitney Lowe and Til Luchau 30.06.2020 31:59
Whitney Lowe and Til Luchau discuss "emergency remote learning" during the pandemic and how instructors have had to adjust quickly and get creative with their approaches to teaching. Lowe and Luchau talk about balancing hands-on components with computer learning, maintaining quality education online, keeping learners engaged, and what the future might hold. This episode sponsored by: Anatomy...
Ep 10 - Supercharge Your Standard Protocols and Procedures During COVID-19 with Preventing Disease Transmission in a Massage Practice author Anne Williams 12.06.2020 47:45
Host Darren Buford checks in briefly with pathology expert Ruth Werner on recent WHO statements regarding asymptomatic spread of COVID-19, then transitions to an in-depth discussion with Massage Mastery Online's Director of Education, and Preventing Disease Transmission in a Massage Practice author, Anne Williams about the future of digital textbooks, teaching effectively in the 21st century, and...
Ep 9 - "Embrace the Suck" with Brene Brown Certified Instructor Amy Andrews McMaster 28.05.2020 35:12
How do we "embrace the suck" during a pandemic? Join us in this latest episode of The ABMP Podcast's Conversations in Quarantine as Brene Brown Dare to Lead certified instructor Amy Andrews McMaster walks us through a discussion on vulnerability, braving tough times, removing our armor, and finding our call to courage. This episode sponsored by: Anatomy Trains Yomassage
Ep 8 - Conversations in Quarantine - Interview with Allissa Haines and Michael Reynolds (Massage Business Blueprint) - Part 2 19.05.2020 42:17
In Part 2 of our discussion with Allissa Haines and Michael Reynolds of Massage Business Blueprint, we discuss short-term business triage ideas and long-term goals, planning for worst-case scenarios and unpredictability, accounting basics and financial literacy, impostor syndrome, developing your dream practice, diversification, and productivity in a downtime.
Ep 7 - Conversations in Quarantine - Interview with Allissa Haines and Michael Reynolds (Massage Business Blueprint) - Part 1 14.05.2020 36:53
Allissa Haines and Michael Reynolds, the team behind Massage Business Blueprint and Massage & Bodywork magazine's column Blueprint for Success, join us to discuss current life without massage and touch, client communication during a crisis, Allissa's decision to close her practice and office space, and what's the secret sauce that makes up Massage Business Blueprint's services and membership offer...
Ep 6 - Conversations in Quarantine - Interview with Irene Diamond 08.05.2020 26:43
Irene Diamond, consultant, CE provider, and developer of Active Modulation Therapy & Active Muscle Massage, speaks with us about what MTs can do when they can't offer hands-on work. Diamond speaks about virtual/remote services within practitioners' scope of practice and other options for serving clients when you can't provide therapeutic touch.
Ep 5 - Conversations in Quarantine - Interview with Nathan Nordstrom - Part 2 29.04.2020 26:45
In Part 2 of our conversation with Hand & Stone's Nathan Nordstrom, Nordstrom describes changes and considerations to the spa and practice environment, including new cleaning protocols, staggered start times, engaged intake processes, and the ethical dilemmas of reopening and clientele psyche.
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