Associated Bodywork & Massage Professionals
The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage & Bodywork Profession
Our goal is to speak with luminaries and experts in and around massage and bodywork to help expound upon and better understand our profession and our practices.
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Jul 7, 2026
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Episodes
Ep 329 – IBS: "I Have a Client Who . . ." Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner 17.03.2023 13:51
A young woman is newly diagnosed with irritable bowel syndrome. Is massage therapy safe? Can it be helpful? What does a massage therapist need to know ahead of time? Answers: Yes, yes, and it's all here in this episode of I Have a Client Who . . . Sponsors: Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com Massage Mentor Institute: www.themassagementorinstitute.com Host Bio: ...
Ep 328 - The Serratus Posterior Superior & Inferior: The Anatomical Parentheses: "The Rebel MT" with Allison Denney 16.03.2023 13:33
Hidden in the shadows, the serratus posterior superior and inferior are, what I like to call, our anatomical parentheses. Subtle, nuanced, and often ignored, finding where they are and what they feel like is crucial to the work we do. In this episode of The Rebel MT , I underscore pushing our awareness beyond what we've been taught and to see what anatomy is trying to tell us. Host: ...
Ep 327 – Inspired Design that Reflects Your Style with Carolyn Boldt 14.03.2023 19:57
Design can be simple. Maybe that's why it's so complicated. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast , Kristin and Darren are joined by Carolyn Boldt, VP/Director of Design for CrossFields, to discuss what to look for when evaluating office space, how owning versus leasing plays a role in how you plan your design, why design is key to client retention, and design trends that have real staying power. Ca...
Ep 326 – East Palestine: "I Have a Client Who . . ." Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner 10.03.2023 16:28
A massage therapist lives and works near the East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment site. They want to know about the possible risks of working with people exposed to chemical toxins. With so many unknowns, what's the safest way to proceed? Join host Ruth Werner as she helps answer that question and others in this episode of "I Have a Client Who . . ." Sponsors: Books of Discovery: www.boo...
Ep 325 – Humbitious: Low-Ego, High-Drive Leadership with Dr. Amer Kaissi 07.03.2023 30:37
Arrogant. Charismatic. Narcissistic. If you were to name traits that define strong leaders, these words might spring to mind. The evidence, however, tells quite a different story. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast , Kristin and Darren are joined by professor and author Dr. Amer Kaissi to discuss how humility and ambition converge to make a great leader, the interesting dynamic between self-aware...
Ep 324 – Staghorn Calculus: "I Have a Client Who . . ." Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner 03.03.2023 15:50
A client reports she's about to lose a kidney due to a kidney stone. That seems . . . extreme, doesn't it? What's probably happening is that she has a staghorn calculus: a stone that takes up all the space in her kidney. If it's not removed it will continue to grow, which could lead to all kinds of problems. What is a staghorn calculus? And what accommodations do we need to make for a person who h...
Ep 323 – Optimize your Tax and Financial Lives with Kenesha Coleman 28.02.2023 23:39
Albert Einstein said, "The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." But does it have to be that hard? In this episode of The ABMP Podcast , Kristin speaks with CPA and tax coach Kenesha Coleman about what business owners need to know before filing, advice for practitioners who are feeling overwhelmed or stressed during tax season, and why bookkeeping year-round will benefit you...
Ep 322 – Client with Cerebral Palsy: "I Have a Client Who . . ." Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner 24.02.2023 14:51
A client is an adult man with spastic cerebral palsy. He has a Baclofen pump and is preparing for Botox injections. He's also found a massage therapist who has the experience and expertise to help him—that's amazing! Understandably, the MT has questions about the Botox—what are the guidelines for manual therapy when this is used to treat spasticity? Well, that assumes that such guidelines exist, w...
Ep 321 – Palliative Touch with Cindy Spence 21.02.2023 27:13
The word "palliate" comes from the Medieval Latin " palliare ," meaning to conceal, or to cover with a cloak. In the context of health care, a palliative approach is one that alleviates symptoms without curing disease. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast , Kristin speaks with author Cindy Spence about her book Palliative Touch: Massage for People at the End of Life , how practitioners can protect...
Ep 320 – Sprengel's Deformity: "I Have a Client Who . . ." Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner 17.02.2023 15:57
A client reports she has Sprengel's deformity and was told never to get massage or chiropractic. Nonetheless, she finds that massage is very helpful! What is Sprengel's deformity? And what are the questions we need to ask so we can make safe and effective clinical decisions? Spoiler alert: It's not as tricky as it sounds, and you'll find out on this episode of "I Have a Client Who . . ." Sponsor...
Ep 319 -The Teres Major and Minor: Tell Me How You Really Feel: "The Rebel MT" with Allison Denney 16.02.2023 13:13
The Teres Major and Teres Minor may share a name, but sharing is not something they do well. In a constant battle for the humerus, they have spent a lifetime arguing, competing, and creating friction. But getting to the truth of how a muscle really feels involves not only knowing their anatomy, but also knowing the human condition. Listen in to this episode of The Rebel MT to learn more about th...
Ep 318 – The Age-Proof Brain with Dr. Marc Milstein 14.02.2023 27:35
Mental decline is not an inevitable part of aging. You can boost your short- and long-term brain health and significantly lower the risk of dementia—if the right steps are taken now. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast , Kristin and Darren speak with Dr. Marc Milstein, author of The Age-Proof Brain , about assessing our brain's age, why sleep is so critical to brain health, and why lifestyle facto...
Ep 317 – Hemochromatosis: "I Have a Client Who . . ." Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner 10.02.2023 15:39
A client with hip and back pain is referred to a massage therapist by her chiropractor. But there's a hitch: This person also has arrhythmia and hemochromatosis. Hemochromatosis is one of the most common inherited disorders in White people, and it can lead to life-threatening complications. One of those complications might be a factor in this client's situation. Fortunately, if it's found early, h...
Ep 316 – The Importance of Harm Reduction with Cal Cates 07.02.2023 31:50
Harm reduction in client/therapist engagements can be organized into four simple, but hard-to-implement tenets: minimize judgement, avoid offering advice or opinions, respect autonomy, and understand the complicated nature of behavior. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast , Kristin and Darren speak with Cal Cates about the lack of self-regulation training, examples of judgment with a client, and ho...
Ep 315 – Endometriosis where?: "I Have a Client Who . . ." Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner 03.02.2023 17:30
A client has chest pain, coughing, shortness of breath . . . on a mysteriously regular cycle. Testing shows masses in her lungs, but cancer is ruled out. The most likely situation here is thoracic endometriosis. What is endometriosis, how did this client get it in her lungs, and—most importantly—can massage help with her signs or symptoms? Sponsors: Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery...
Ep 314 – Lessons Learned: Communication and Customer Service 31.01.2023 26:47
In this episode of The ABMP Podcast , Kristin shares some of the lessons she has learned as a massage therapist, while Darren shares what he's learned as a client, why communication plays a major role in the client/therapist relationship, and how customer service weaves its way into every aspect of a session. Hosts: Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABM...
Ep 313 – Surfer's Ear: "I Have a Client Who . . ." Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner 27.01.2023 15:34
A client has frequent ear infections, including now while he's awaiting a prescription of antibiotics. He wants massage for his neck and shoulders. He has a history of a ruptured eardrum and several surgeries. And by the way, he's a surfer. Usually, we say that massage and acute infections don't really go together. But this client seems fine—he gets these infections often and they don't impact hi...
Ep 312 – Standard of Care, Scope of Practice with Ruth Werner 24.01.2023 29:25
A client with a complex health challenge can benefit from a conversation between their massage therapist and their health-care team. But, a conversation isn't the same as permission. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast , Kristin and Darren speak with Ruth about massage therapists' inclinations to get a doctor's permission before treatment, whether a doctor's note protects MTs, and what consulting...
Ep 311 – Arthrofibrosis: "I Have a Client Who . . ." Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner 20.01.2023 24:42
A client's knee surgery seemed to go OK, but now he has a problem: his knee is stuck in 60 degrees of flexion. His doctors don't seem interested in his diagnosis, leading him to wonder if anything will ever change. What's going on? Is this unusual? Turns out, it might happen a lot. But massage therapy might be helpful, according to one of the world's leading experts on the subject. Join us as we e...
Ep 310 - Untangling the Glute Max: "The Rebel MT" with Allison Denney 19.01.2023 13:45
The gluteus maximus is just like the rest of us—caught up in how society and the internet tells us we should look, think, and feel. Untangling this massive muscle from the interwebs takes a lot of introspection. In this episode, Allison pontificates the deeper issues of the Glute Max and offers some insights on how to free it from societal constraints. Host: Contact Allison Den...
Ep 309 – Pediatric Touch Therapy with Tina Allen 17.01.2023 36:12
Imagine a world where every child has the chance to reach their full potential. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast , Kristin and Darren speak with Tina Allen, founder of Liddle Kidz Foundation , about the differences between infant and pediatric massage, why she created the Liddle Kidz Foundation, what she has noticed in her travels around the world regarding "touch culture," and what advice she...
Ep 308 – CTE: "I Have a Client Who . . ." Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner 13.01.2023 14:09
A client is a former NFL linebacker with CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy). What is going on inside his head? And is it safe for the massage therapist to work with him? CTE is part of a range of head injuries that includes traumatic brain injury, concussion, and post-concussion syndrome. We don't have a lot of information about massage therapy in this context, but we can get enough informatio...
Ep 307 – The Significance of Motor Points with Mary Kathleen Rose 10.01.2023 30:54
Understanding the motor points of the neuromuscular system and their corollary—tonic acupressure points—increases efficiency in helping clients relax and deepen into a sense of calmness and well-being. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast , Kristin and Darren speak with Mary Kathleen Rose about the difference between motor points and tonic points, how deep a motor point is, what a point should feel...
Ep 306 – Agent Orange: "I Have a Client Who . . ." Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner 06.01.2023 18:04
A client's parent is a Vietnam vet, and she is left with the aftermath of the genetic damage caused by one of the deadliest toxins known: TCDD dioxin. She has spina bifida, a well-recognized consequence of parental AO exposure, but also a slew of other physical and emotional challenges. What is Agent Orange, and how did this happen? And… is there any way our work can help? Sponsors: Books of...
Ep 305 – The Why Behind the What with Doug Nelson 03.01.2023 33:49
Critical thinking can help people better understand themselves, their motivations, and their goals. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast , Kristin and Darren speak with Doug Nelson about one of his favorite topics: Critical Thinking. He discusses why we need to challenge not only our head and our hands—but our heart, how confirmation bias leads to struggle, and why we should pick our themes and not...
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