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Talks by Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee
This is a series of newly digitized talks by spiritual teacher, Lola McDowell Lee, spanning two decades—from the early Seventies through the Nineties. Lola was a Zen Roshi whose Rinzai lineage included Doctor Henry Platov and renowned Zen master, Shigetsu Sasaki. Lola was a religious scholar as well as an ordained Christian minister. While the talks are focused mainly on Zen and Buddhism, Lola drew on many spiritual traditions—including those of Jesus, Plato, Lao-Tzu, the Hindu Vedas, Meister Eckhart and Gurdjieff. If you find Lola’s talks valuable, more will be posted in days to come. RSSVERI...
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We are looking for nothing. Which doesn’t give you much to look for, does it? Oct 21, 1984 04.02.2025 50:27
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, reads from renowned Zen teacher, Ikkyu: “If it rain, let it rain; If it rain not, let it not rain; But even should it not rain, You must travel with wet sleeves.” What is religion? It is an inquiry into yourself. The German theologian, Meister Eckhart, once wrote, “There is an agent in the soul, untouched by time. . . God Himself is that agent. Keep looking inside a s...
Lao Tzu: Existence renders actual. Non-existence renders useful. Oct 7, 1984 29.01.2025 1:03:05
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, relates the tale of the monk who questions Chuang Tzu. He begins: Monk: "Much of what you talk about is that which is not of use to us." Chuang-Tzu: "Most of the earth is no use to you." Yin and Yang. Two archetypical poles of Nature. Male and female. Yin is quiet, intuitive. Yang is strong, creative, active. We must come to know the other to be in balance. We constan...
How can Truth be expressed without speaking—and without being silent? Sep 30, 1984 20.01.2025 42:07
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, tells of the puzzled monk who visits Master Fuketsu. He asks, "How can Truth be expressed without speaking—and without being silent?" Lao Tzu said, he who speaks does not know. And he who knows does not speak. Then there is the Maha Mudra, or the great gesture. When you hear a word from a master, there is a silence in the word. A portion of the great poem by Sri Aurob...
Is Zen difficult? Also, an in-depth examination of the Mu koan. Sep 23, 1984 13.01.2025 53:13
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, recounts the story of the family where every member was enlightened. A visitor asked the father, “Is Zen difficult?” The father answered, “Yes, very.” The visitor then asked the son the same question. “No, it’s not difficult at all,” the son said. Then he asked the daughter. She answered, “If you make it difficult, it is difficult. If you make it easy, it is easy.” Ac...
The story of the centipede, convinced by a fox to start thinking. Sep 16, 1984 07.01.2025 53:03
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, interprets passages of Chuang Tzu, the great Taoist master. The greatest man is nobody. The man of Tao does not cultivate his manner. Nor does he try not to. Our mind moves in one direction—then swings the opposite way. The most difficult thing to do is to keep the mind in the middle. Non-discrimination. Even from waking state to sleeping state, we cross the middle. I...
Don’t run to—and don’t run away. Aug 7, 1988 29.12.2024 54:35
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explains how nature wants balance. If conditions swing one way, they eventually swing the other way. Human nature is the same. If you strive in one direction about something, then the other direction eventually swings back at you. For example, those who strive to be 100% moral often succumb to immorality. We see this often. As is human nature, we swing in a swirl of t...
“In what state of mind should I seek Truth?” Doko asks. Sep 9, 1984 23.12.2024 49:42
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explains how when you first meditate, thoughts of your day may fill your mind. But eventually, you will experience a silence. God isn’t going to talk to you in words. He has no mouth. Junaid, a Sufi Master, seemed an ordinary laborer. And one of his young apprentices often wanted to display his great knowledge of things. Junaid says, “I am not so young as to know so m...
Without a word, without a thought, who are you? Aug 19, 1984 21.12.2024 49:28
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, tells the story of when Master Hyakujo offered a test to his monks. The winner will be the abbot of the new monastery. He sets out a water jug and says, “Without using its name, what do you call it?” Without a word, without a thought, answer this question: Who are you? Without using a word, show what reality is. You can’t use a word or concept without using your mind....
Words can’t teach how to practice. Like swimming, we must do it. Jul 22, 1984 06.12.2024 47:45
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, discusses how words can’t teach how to practice or how to wake up. Just like the wheelwright can’t teach how to make a wheel. Too much force and it weakens. Too little and it weakens. But how does he teach that? One has to do it. Like swimming. To learn it you need to do it. Zen practice is the same way. Chuang Tzu, the master of the absurd’s mysterious tale of puttin...
Lola recounts the surprising tale of the Sufi mystic who is captured and taken to the slave market by his captors. July 15, 1984 18.11.2024 53:59
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explains how if we are ruled from without, we are slaves. If we are ruled from within, we are still enslaved. Short review of recent sesshin. Lola shares the amusing tale of the teacher's visit to an archery target practice. When you’re always doing, disciplining yourself, there is a conflict. Beyond discipline is stillness. We receive teachings at the level we need t...
The Paramitas - 1. Giving 2. Observing precepts 3. Patience 4. Diligence 5. Meditation. 6. Wisdom. July 8, 1984 08.11.2024 43:32
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, suggests you look at your life as a story. Is there anything you would change? Though this life is not perfect, you’re probably reasonably comfortable living on this shore. Change is scary. While many of us are part of a practice group, we really each travel alone on this path. The truth is inside of us. We can’t find it together outside somewhere. For your travel on...
Pranyaparamita, or “the perfection of transcendental wisdom.” July 1, 1984 02.11.2024 52:40
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explores the possible meanings of several Buddhist and Christian concepts: • Pranyaparamita, or “the perfection of transcendental wisdom.” • Sunyata, or the emptiness that emptiness constitutes ultimate reality. Not adding, but taking away. • Avataṃsaka Sūtra, which comprehensively describes the powers of meditation and emptiness. • Anapanasati - awareness of that bef...
The similarities between Hassidic Judaism and Buddhism. May 19, 1985 08.10.2024 58:27
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, discusses the similarities between Hasidic Judaism and Buddhism. Many religions are more emotional. Zen practitioners are often intellectual. The similarities between Hasidic Judaism and Buddhism. Also, the tale of two men who travel during a dark night. Only one has a lantern. When their paths split, the man without the lantern must grope along in the darkness. That...
Make the smallest distinction and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart. May 12, 1985 29.09.2024 51:44
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explores the notion of preferences. As the Third Chinese Patriarch of Zen put it: when love and hate are both absent, everything becomes clear and undisguised. Make the smallest distinction, however, and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart. If you wish to see the truth, then hold no opinions for, or against, anything. That is the choice-less reality, true stabil...
A monk asked his teacher, "I am pecking from inside the shell. I beg you, Master, please peck from outside." May 5, 1985 23.09.2024 53:07
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explains that when most of us listen to a teacher talk, what we hear is determined by our conditioning. When one talks to God in his thoughts, he is not talking to God. To truly practice, one must be wholly sincere and not deceive oneself. A monk came to a Zen Master and asked, ”What if you meet up with someone who is deaf, dumb, and blind?” Also, if the aim of a Zen...
First is learning, called hearing. Then approaching. Then transcending. Lola Apr 14, 1985 19.09.2024 52:52
During this talk, Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, has a bad cough, which she lightheartedly uses in her discussion about how to hear and how to listen. To listen like a tape recorder, without thinking. Lola walks us through a quick history of philosophical thinking, from the Ionians (Thales thought the basic entity was water) to Pythagoras to Aristotle and beyond. To discipline oneself in learning i...
As illusions drop, as attitudes drop, how relaxing it is to be at ease with yourself. Mar 31, 1985 12.09.2024 51:07
You are born into pleasure and pain, and eventually emotions develop. Then centuries of conditioning. From your parents, from your culture. How many personalities and faces do you have? All creating contradictions in you. But if you dig down, there is unity—an undivided, centered individual. Most important: do not deceive yourself. Sit. Look into yourself and the truth will reveal itself to you. A...
The depth in saying “I don’t know.” Mystica Theologica. Lola Jul 22, 1985 03.09.2024 48:52
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, discusses Mystica Theologica by St Dionysias. He said religious experience can’t be described. Like music: as much as you might name notes, no description is adequate to explain what music really is. So it is with religious experience. Dionysias called it “agnosia” or unknowing. There is a depth in saying “I don’t know.” Even Socrates said the only thing he knows is t...
Zen masters never tell the truth. July 15, 1985 26.08.2024 54:44
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, recounts the tale of Zen Master Hogen who studied with Keishin Zenji. Once Keishin Zenji asked him, 'Joza, where do you go?' “Hogen answered, 'I am making pilgrimage aimlessly." Lola also shares the story of the non-believer who falls off a cliff and dangles by a small twig. He begs God to help him. "But I thought you didn’t believe in me,” says God. The non-believer...
"The mind dwells in the cave of the heart. He who conquers it frees himself from slavery." May 26, 1985 15.08.2024 59:57
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explains how you can ask questions about the meaning of life all day long. But who is the questioner? Usually we take the wrong approach to these questions. The questions and the answers are thoughts—or objects. They are not reality. If you have a deluded mind, how are you supposed to use it in meditation? You must set it aside. When silence is present, where are you?...
The mightiest fighting rooster does not crow about his might. Jun 24, 1984 13.08.2024 39:25
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, shares the teachings of Lao Tzu. He was not a brave man. Or a coward. Courage does not play a role in the sage. The mightiest fighting rooster does not crow about his might. True confidence does not brag. If you meet a sage on the road, how do you greet him? Meditation is like a coiled spring. You push, push, push it down… then release. Jun 24, 1984
When you’re silent, there is one mind. When you’re thinking, you are many. Jun 10, 1984 06.08.2024 51:19
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explains how a mirror reflects everything before it. It reflects young you when you’re young. It reflects old you when you’re old. But the mirror isn’t old or young. It is uncontaminated. The same consciousness is watching from inside you when you’re young, when you’re middle aged and when you’re old. But that Witness isn’t young or middle aged or old. Just like the m...
Examine your past so it doesn’t govern you. The past is dead. Stop living it. Oct 30, 1983 30.07.2024 52:17
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explains how when you’re happy, sad, pleased, unpleased—it’s all in your periphery. It is not really you. When you’re happy, sad, pleased, displeased—it’s all in your periphery. It is not really you. Do not deceive yourself with your own attitudes. Plastic flowers do not grow. Plastic personas do not grow. But you can. Your appearances give you respectability but they...
What must wake up in you for you to be awake? Oct 29, 1989 25.07.2024 51:37
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explores the wisdom of Zen Master Ikkyu. What must wake up in you for you to be awake? Where do you go when you’re in a deep sleep? Buddhism is a religion of the individual. We become individually free. Teaching about awakened self is like selling water by the river. We spend our lives trying to make our fantasies a reality. Assuming responsibility for one’s spiritual...
Once we understand we are not the masters of our thoughts—but victims—we can stop cooperating. Lola Mar 17, 1985 15.07.2024 58:13
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, recounts tales of Master Fugai. Lola gives a detailed explanation of meditation. How the word meditation, historically, has been thought to mean thinking, pondering. But in Zen it’s just the opposite. In Zen meditation you sit, and can watch your thoughts go by, but you do not get swept up by them. If you observe closely you’ll start to see that your thoughts create a...
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