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Talks by Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee
This is a series of newly digitized talks by spiritual teacher, Lola McDowell Lee, spanning two decades—from the early Seventies through the Nineties. Lola was a Zen Roshi whose Rinzai lineage included Doctor Henry Platov and renowned Zen master, Shigetsu Sasaki. Lola was a religious scholar as well as an ordained Christian minister. While the talks are focused mainly on Zen and Buddhism, Lola drew on many spiritual traditions—including those of Jesus, Plato, Lao-Tzu, the Hindu Vedas, Meister Eckhart and Gurdjieff. If you find Lola’s talks valuable, more will be posted in days to come. RSSVERI...
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Unlearning and existential trust. Delivered Aug 10, 1986 04.07.2026 44:42
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explores the concepts of unlearning, existential trust, and the structural dynamics of the ego. Lola describes the state of an enlightened individual as one whose nature has completely sunk back into its roots in the One. True spiritual power, she argues, is not achieved through cleverness, daring, or accumulated knowledge, but rather through an intense process of unl...
The Trap of Words - Delivered August 3, 1986 27.06.2026 43:53
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, recounts Chuang Tzu’s advice: the purpose of a fish trap is to catch fish, and once the fish are caught, the trap is forgotten. So too with words — once an idea is truly grasped, the words that carried it should be released. Yet we find this nearly impossible. Words stick. They cling to the mind and take on a life of their own, trapping the very people who use them. S...
Zen is not an intellectual exercise. Delivered Jun 20, 1986 12.06.2026 49:39
(Note on the recording: Thank you for your patience. Many of the remaining cassettes of Lola’s talks have substantial noise and echo issues. To overcome that, I’m trying out a different software to clean the audio. This software removes the noises, but it also sounds slightly clipped. Just so you know...if this sounds a little different from what you're used to. For those of you that follow her ta...
Emptiness is not nothingness. Jul 14, 1986 16.05.2026 1:00:55
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, discusses the concept of the "Unborn," the central teaching of Master Bankei. Lola recounts the story of an arrogant Abbot trying to challenge Bankei. The Abbot told his congregation, “If I put a difficult question to him, I can stymie him with just one word. So saying this, he went off to see this supposed master. And here in this large crowd, in the middle of the ta...
How to enter a gateless gate. Delivered July 6, 1986 09.05.2026 55:43
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, opens with the core question: How does one enter the gateless gate? Lola points to a mountain stream, suggesting that "listening" is entering. She distinguishes between the someone’s simple interest in Zen and the actual acquisition of a Zen mind. Lola says the spiritual path begins only when the soul moves beyond a mild interest in Zen and raises the question: "Who a...
The Basic Teachings of Zen Meditation. Presented on June 29, 1986 02.05.2026 56:32
(Note: Although there is some remaining quiet delayed echo from the original cassette tape, this talk by Lola about the basics of Zen meditation is still a good primer for a new student of the discipline) --- Zen Roshi Lola McDowell Lee, explores the essence of Zen practice, noting that while the era of the 1960s opened Western minds to Eastern traditions, it often lacked the rigorous supervision...
Accumulating knowledge versus attaining true wisdom. June 22, 1986 11.04.2026 1:00:38
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, Lola discusses the distinction between accumulating knowledge and attaining true wisdom. Lola shares the koan about a monk who asked his teacher, “Is there a teaching no master ever preached before?” And the teacher said, yes, there is. What is it, asked the monk. And the teacher replied, it is not mind, it is not Buddha, it is not things.. We require a different kind...
The Lesson of True Listening. June 15, 1986 01.04.2026 57:30
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explores the difference between merely seeking reality and actually experiencing it through the practice of true listening. Ancient Zen master, Tokai, is abruptly awakened from a nap by a frantic monk shouting about a fire under the kitchen floor. Rather than panicking or leaping into action regarding a future threat, Tokai requests that the monk wake him only when th...
An exploration of the subject of death. Delivered Jun 8, 1986 12.03.2026 59:40
Zen Roshi Lola McDowell Lee, opens by recounting the classic Zen koan of Master Dogo and his disciple Zengen. When visiting a deceased parishioner, Zengen asks if the person is alive or dead, to which Dogo refuses to answer either way. Even after Dogo’s passing, another master, Sakeso, repeats this refusal, telling Zengen, "No saying whatever". The story illustrates that life and death are not dis...
Does an enlightened Zen master live a saintly, extraordinary life? Delivered Jun 1, 1986 28.02.2026 56:57
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explores the nature of truth, the limitations of the intellect, and the profound importance of trusting one's own immediate experience. She begins by introducing a classic Zen Master Tozan’s question: "What is the Buddha?" While working in a storeroom, replied, "This flax weighs three pounds." This seemingly nonsensical answer helps dismantle our reliance on logical a...
Give gifts with no notion of reward or praise. Like moving something from one hand to the other. Mar 9, 1986 06.02.2026 51:50
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, discusses the Diamond Sutra , known as the "Cutter of All Doubts." She story of the Buddha and his disciple, Subhuti, a Bodhisattva. It’s a paradoxical teaching: A Bodhisattva should give gifts without being "supported" by anything—not by a notion of a sign, a gift, or a recipient. If a gift is given with the thought "I am giving this to you," it is limited. However,...
Learning to live less from the mind and more from the hara. Oct 14, 1981 16.01.2026 58:20
(Note: This recording contains a static hum that, in spite of efforts to remove, does remain somewhat. But the content of the talk might be worth overlooking). Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, understands how odd it must sound to some that an individual human being can become one with the universe. She explains that this search for unity is often misguided because people look out there for something...
Allowing Purusha to extricate itself from the mindless play of Prakrit. Sept 27, 1987 29.12.2025 58:31
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, discusses the ancient Indian philosophy of Samkhya Yoga as a framework for spiritual observation. It includes the dual principles of Purusha (the essence of the self) and Prakrit (the "Great Mother" or manifested nature and energy). While Samkhya might appear to be dualistic, it aims for a state of Sahaja , or awakened consciousness. This state contains and transcends...
Plato, art and spiritual growth. Sep 5, 1987 14.12.2025 1:00:40
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explores the concept of freedom through the conquest of self. Per the Dhammapada , we should direct straying thoughts. The path to happiness is through quieting these elusive thoughts with single-mindedness, which brings freedom. We struggle from confusing wants and needs and forgetting the primary goal: freedom. This freedom is not worldly (economic, political, or so...
The Middle Way—between the world of appearance and the inner world of consciousness. Aug 29, 1987 08.12.2025 1:01:25
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee draws on the Dhammapada to emphasize a core principle of spiritual success: vigilance, or watching. The fool is careless and enslaved by desire. The master has firm resolve. Man is the only creature on Earth with the ability to choose. Unlike animals and plants, whose lives are determined by nature, humans possess a mind that allows for conscious choice. Man is not bor...
How do you go in? Simply stop going out. Aug 2, 1987 29.11.2025 59:56
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, continues her discussion of the Dhammapada . She warns us against mistaking the false for the true, urging us to look into our hearts and follow our true natures. Spiritual texts are meaningless without direct action. Lola discusses the seeming conflict of seeking external rewards while professing detachment from the fruit of action. Truth simply is . It is the truth...
The meanings of various Buddhist terms, practices & traditions. July 26, 1987 23.11.2025 59:57
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explores the meaning of the Dhammapada -Twin Verses. She discusses the importance of thought and self-mastery in shaping one's experience. We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts we make the world. An impure, conditioned mind leads to suffering, while a pure, unconditioned mind leads to unshakable happiness. We have, over and...
Dogen: “Not knowing is most intimate.” July 5, 1987 14.11.2025 1:00:09
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, explains the story of Dogen Zenji, the founder of the Soto Zen school in Japan. One master says, “Not knowing is most intimate.” Dogen’s question: if we are already Buddha nature — if enlightenment is our essence — then why do we need to seek it? When Dogen returned to Japan, he founded the Soto school and taught Shikantaza — just sitting. This practice, Lola explains...
How you form your ego—and can ultimately overcome it. Jun 28, 1987 02.11.2025 57:05
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, tells a parable about a powerful Chinese prime minister, who was a devoted Zen student. When the minister asked his master, "how does Zen explain egotism?" the master insulted him, calling him a "numbskull". As the minister's face filled with anger and hurt feelings, the master smiled and said, "Your Excellency, this is ego". Lola explains that this ego is our very ba...
Zen and Socrates. Jun 21, 1987 20.10.2025 58:34
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, argues that most people waste their lives playing superficial games and are deceived by their own minds. They fail to engage in the urgent, life and death work of knowing themselves. The pursuit of money, power, prestige, and reputation are hollow endeavors, like waves on an ocean. Lola draws parallels between Zen practice and the Socratic method. Many of us meditate...
Instructions for Koan study. And true understanding & non-discrimination. May 31, 1987 14.10.2025 53:10
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, recounts the story of master Joshu who offers cups of tea to the various monks, illustrating the idea of how distinction keeps us from seeing the world as it is. When he offers the same tea to newcomers and long-time members alike, the manager asks why. And Joshu has a shouting response. Why? Our scientific world breaks the world into bits, opreating within a framewor...
The limitations of human knowledge. May 17, 1987 08.10.2025 1:03:13
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, discusses human knowledge an its limitations. Typical knowledge is the result of fragmented perception. Our knowledge is narrow, limited to appearances and governed by desire, habit, and subconscious impulses. The relationship of Surya (divine light) and Agni (divine force). Agni symbolizes will in consciousness. Together, Surya (knowing) and Agni (will) form a unity....
In the struggle between opposites is the Truth. Mar 6, 1987 26.09.2025 59:56
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, draws on Buddhist and Hindu traditions (including the Mahabharata, Ramayana and Bhagavad Gita) to explain the human condition. Struggles and opposition are partners in our growth. Manjushri (wisdom) is not found in shrines, but is alive within each person. Lola recounts a tale of a monk and the village courtesan. She talks about how struggle is necessary for growth; i...
Where is God? Feb 28, 1987 11.09.2025 1:01:06
Note: Generally, this talk is more lighthearted than most that Lola gives. It’s nice to see that side of her personality. Lola begins with a comical tale about a man and a priest he asks for advice. Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, discusses Lao Tzu concept of how the hole in the wheel’s knave makes its utility. How the emptiness of a vessel creates its utility. Lola asks, “Who would you rather be: a...
Mystica Theologica, the Sutras of Patanjali and the Book of Genesis. Jan 31, 1987 31.08.2025 58:07
Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, discusses various texts about the notion of God — from the biblical book of Genesis to Mystica Theologica to the sutras of Patanjali. Dionysus was a disciple of St. Paul and one-time mayor of Athens. We eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil… but we must return to the Tree of Life. Buddhism did not identify God. Or a self. So for a Buddhist, what is there? Pe...
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