Sober Not Mature

**Yep... we had delay issues again, but we made it through!** We've got Mike and Bill again. Mike started out with his reading and it was about giving and not taking. What we used to be and thankfully what we are now. It was a good conversation. The episode picture has meaning. Listen and you will hear it. We had a few random things like old drinking habits, T.V. shows and movies about sobriet...

*Just a heads up, we had a slight delay again with the recording* This week it's Mike and Bill again. Mike started off with his reading and it was all about service. Doing things for other people and our lives get better. Imagine that. Then a brief conversation about atheism. There is a reading in the 24 Hour Book every year and we talked about it. Mike is an atheist and Bill is at best agnost...

This week we have Mike and Bill AND... The start of Season 5! We had some technology issues, so when you hear the delay with us talking, oh well. It is what it is. **Make sure to scan the QR Code!!** Mike did his reading and it was about living in the moment. That is something that we talk about a lot and it's the back bone of our sobriety. We talked about judging people, the first time people...

This week we have Mike and Bill and the Season 4 finale! It's just us, but as always, we filled the time. Mike did his reading and it was about how fragile we all were and how we now work together. We had some laughs, but it was a good conversation. One of us has a birthday this weekend and we revisited what we think of birthdays. (It's probably what you expect) Then we were all over the p...

This week we have a split episode! Carly from Episode 83 is back and she has a bunch of stuff that she is doing and we wanted to help her spread the word. She is still working on Trust Your Message @trustyourmess_age , she is modeling and she wrote a book, that is in print and now available as an audio book on Amazon. The book is called Human: Behind the Mask and you can find more information on h...

This week we have... Well, you are stuck with Mike and Bill this week and we had some catching up to do. Mike did his reading and it was about the need for a higher power. Having one, trusting it and believing that it works. It was a good conversation. Then some vacation talk from Bill's trip to Myrtle Beach and a funeral that he went to this week for his ex-mother-in-law. On to alcohol awaren...

This week we have: Amanda McKoy Flanagan @amandamckoyflanagan and  Ginny Olivas-Smith @ginnyos13   Hosts of the Sol Rising Podcast @solrisingpodcast  Amanda is an author, podcaster, and motivational speaker and she recently released her award-winning inspirational memoir, Trust Yourself to Be All In: Safe to Love and Let Go. www.amandamckoyflanagan.com Ginny is a wife, Mom of two beautiful kids an...

This is Episode 100! Woohooo! It's just us this week and Mike started out with his reading. It was about this new life we have versus the old life that we thankfully left behind. We have the gift of choice and the ability to live an authentic life these days. Then we talked about a new job and the stress of the job search. It all works out and in it's own time. We looked back briefly at so...

This week we have: Chris Dreisbach @chrisdreisbach and Shannon Moore @theshannonmoore Chris hosts "A Night of Recovery: Live from the Moravian Center," a documentary featuring sobriety stories of wrestling stars Jesus “Ricardo” Rodriguez, Shannon Moore and Curt“Dirty Dango” Hussey. It is available on Prime Video, Apple TV+, and Google Play.  I could write a book about everything that the...

Hey! It's Mike and Bill again and it's our first Live Stream episode! The full audio is still here, but if you want to check out the video, visit us on YouTube - sobernotmature (and let us know what you think!) Mike did his reading and it was about the Serenity Pray. It's something that we used a lot in the beginning and still use at times and we had a good conversation. We received a...

Happy Freakin' New Year! Well, it's almost that time and it's your favorite fellas joining you this week. Mike's reading was about the New Year and we talked about what it was like then and what it's like now. (sounds kinda familiar) We talked about an annoying word and we gave an update on the number of "F" words from the last episode. It was a lot. Then on to square...

This week we have a gift for you. Yep, it's us. Just in time for Christmas. Mike did his reading and it was about the gifts that we get these days. Interesting lives and a world that is wide open. No more boredom and lives that have no meaning. Then we jumped into the 12th Step and talked about what it means to us and why it's so important. We had a couple of announcements about our friend...

This week it's just us and Mike and his girlfriend are in Mexico! We started off with Mike's reading and it talked about how we all do this sober thing the same way, but also just a little bit differently. The same path, with slight (and unique) variances. Then some nice comments from a listener and a follower. A short story about another podcast and proof that we don't always think be...

This week we have Mara! @marajsankin Another really, really good friend from Cleveland. We had a lot of fun with this conversation, but recovery is serious business with Mara. This is not her first run at this and she told us what happened and how she came back to sobriety. She also taught us a new word... "sodriety." (listen and you'll hear what it means.) The most important part of...

This week we have Nico Morales @nohalonm Nico joins us from New Mexico and took the time to walk us through all of the things that brought him down. He started using at 14 and gave up family and everything else that meant something to him. Then he found a solution. He doesn't follow the same path as we do, but we are all headed in the same direction and we talked about the similarities, rather...

It's the Gratitude Episode, with your friends, Mike and Bill! Mike did his reading and yep, it was about gratitude. The importance of saying thank you, being kind and being better than we used to be. Then we did a recap of the sober retreat that we went to last weekend. It was fun, engaging and we highly recommend attending a retreat. It was wonderful. We did have a slight "run in" w...

Yep, this week it's Mike and Bill and an early release, since we have a busy weekend ahead of us. Mike did his reading and it was about how "we" see alcohol and drugs, how "we" become fools when we drink, what we lose when we drink and ultimately what we gain when we stick around. Then we chatted for a few minutes about chaos. The life of chaos that we used to live and the...

This week we have Michael! Our really, really good friend from Cleveland and one of our sober friends for over 13 years. Michael told us a little bit about how he got here, but more importantly, why he stays here. We talked about The Keating Center and the 3/4 house that we were all at. Then about the woman that he met, who became his wife and the mother of his 2 beautiful daughters. There were po...

It's your friends, Mike and Bill this week! And we had some things to talk about. Mike did his reading and it was about monsters and miracles. Pretty much a then and now when it comes to folks like us, and we had a nice conversation about it. Then on to Step 11 (Since it's the 11th month) and it deals with prayer and meditation. We both work this step every day, but maybe differently than...

Yay! Just Mike and Bill this week. Eh, it is what it is, right? Mike did his reading and it was about responsibility. Certainly something that most of us lacked before we got sober, so it was a good conversation. Then we inadvertently got into a conversation about sponsors and sponsees. The main thing is that "we" can't keep anyone sober, but we can offer guidance and experience. We...

This week we have Heidi! @moonwater_motherearth Our good friend and "bestie" from Cleveland. She walked us through a little bit about what got her here (which was actually a guy), and then the goof stuff. What her life is like today. From not knowing how she would do anything without a substance, to a life that is full beyond her wildest dreams. And yes, she said the line... "It&#39...

Yeah... it's Mike and Bill again this week. We recorded on Thursday this week and it's Bill's son's birthday! Mike did his reading and it was about instincts, impulses and the dreaded idea of growing up. We have "not mature" in the name of our podcast, but even we have grown up. A little bit. It did make for a good conversation though. Then we talked briefly about "t...

Well, it's just the two of us again and we actually had quite a bit to talk about. Mike did his reading and it was about choices. They are lost while we are drinking, but when we get sober, we have a "sense' of choice again. It was a good reading and a good discussion. It's October, the tenth month, so we dove into the 10th Step. Personally, we both feel like this step is a big on...

Yep, just Mike and Bill this week and we were a little punchy, but in a fun way... Mike did his reading, and as always it was a good one, that turned into a great conversation. Faith, openness, higher powers and light switches. (it will make sense when you listen) We talked about the trip that Bill took, some old feelings and a story from a meeting that he went to in the bible belt. Lot's of G...

This week we have Carly and Breeze! @carlyannmariereed @_breezexx We had a great conversation with them and it was amazing how much we all have in common. They are young and we are old, but we all ended up in the same place. Kind of cool. They gave us some background and then they told us about this wonderful thing that they are doing called, Trust Your Message @trustyourmess_age Carly and Breeze...