Second Order Change

In this episode, Executive Producer and business mentor Lisamarie Shires shares what it really means to move beyond execution and become a trusted strategic partner in the creative industry. Through stories and insights from years of experience working with filmmakers and photographers, Lisamarie explores how creatives can reclaim their value, embody their expertise, and lead projects with vision...

In this episode of Second Order Change , host Evan Bourcier engages in a deep and insightful conversation with mindset coach, entrepreneur, and artist Ian Maxwell. The discussion explores the concepts of authenticity, the fluidity of identity, and how our intrinsic characteristics and conditioned behaviors shape our experiences. Highlighting the importance of internal authority over external valid...

What happens when you stop suppressing your emotions and start embracing them? In this episode, we dive into the messy, beautiful process of emotional growth—how childhood experiences, therapy, and personal awakenings shape our perspective on life, creativity, and success. We unpack: 🔹 Growing up in a conservative religious environment and unlearning emotional suppression 🔹 The impact of grief,...

In this deeply personal episode, Drake Margolnick opens up about a life-altering blackout while working with rising artist Adina Rey —an incident that forced him to confront the lasting impact of a 2016 abduction that left him battling PTSD, blackouts, and addiction . From the rise and fall of his band Flagship to rebuilding as a solo artist, Drake shares the highs and lows of his journey—his stru...

In the latest episode of 'Second Order Change,' we dive deep into a conversation with filmmaker and entrepreneur Jason Adams. Part two of this discussion covers key topics including the often overlooked importance of trust and alignment with clients, the pitfalls of focusing on superficial metrics such as crew size and equipment, and the value of having a flexible, high-performing team. Jason and...

In this conversation, Evan Bourcier and Jason discuss the complexities and inefficiencies of production in the film industry. They explore the nature of production bloat, the impact of long work hours on productivity, and the dynamics of client expectations on set. The discussion emphasizes the need for clarity and effective management of time and resources to enhance the creative process while ma...

Chef Allen Campbell is widely known as a leader in the sports nutrition world. Most recently known as Tom Brady’s former personal chef, author of the TB12 Nutrition Manual as well as contributor to the TB12 Method and The Game of Eating Smart. Allen has popularized and revolutionized traditional culinary artistry by maximizing health benefits and sustainability.  Allen created AC Kitchen...

Today on Second Order Change we're talking to storyteller James Victor. James and Evan both grew up as church creative lads committed to the path of truth and creative expression, even when that has lead into conflicts with the Dogma they were surrounded in. During this conversation we explore the intersection of faith, fear, and creativity - unpacking the role of stories in the human experience,...

We're back with part 2 of our conversation with Musical artist Mitchel Dae. Show Links: Mitchel's IG: https://www.instagram.com/mitcheldae Evan's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier Ready to hand off Accounting so you can focus on Creative? You can hop on a No-Pressure Free Discovery Call with Core here: https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core

On this episode of Second Order Change we're talking to Alternative music artist Mitchel Dae about his journey to 450k monthly listeners without a label, which all started during one fateful night in his dorm room where he dropped his sister's guitar. We talk about finding your voice, building a brand, finding trusted collaborators, keeping things lean, trusting the process, finding producers, and...

This week on the podcast we're talking to Jeremy Doorn. Jeremy is my personal accountant and our relationship has changed my business and consequently, my life. We get into Jeremy's experience with how a mental breakdown pushed him to explore running as a release, his un-traditional path into accounting, and some of the biggest lessons he's learned in his time working with creative professionals....

Today on Second Order Change, we are talking to Mario Fabbri. Mario is a chef, filmmaker, and entrepreneur who started his journey studying actuarial science—a career path pushed on him by a guidance counselor that he didn’t want. After dropping out of college and betting on himself, Mario dove into entrepreneurship, filmmaking, and eventually food storytelling. Now, he’s a chef dedicated to inspi...

Today on Second Order Change we're talking to Colton Williams about his journey from low-level flyer designer to AVP of Global Brand Creative for L'Oreal. Along the way we explore our shared experience as homeschooled church kids, Deconstruction, Colton's 3 near death experiences, his 8 year stint as a Filmmaker, and so much more. Links: Colton's IG: https://www.instagram.com/mynameiscolton/ Evan'...

In this episode of Second Order Change, we talk to the incredible David Morin - delving into profound experiences of spiritual awakening, creative self-discovery, and integrating the reality of death into our lives. David shares his journey through a tumultuous period of life of existential dread which lead him to a darkness retreat, and emerging with newfound clarity, creative energy and a new id...

In this episode, we dive into themes of personal growth, career evolution, and identity with two unique perspectives—one from the world of professional hockey and the other from a creative career in film. From professional hockey to filmmaking, we dive into the mindset needed to navigate career changes, stay motivated, and find new sources of inspiration. We also discuss the drive to push personal...

This is a good one, we promise. Find Jacob on IG at: https://www.instagram.com/jacobstahler

Today we're talking to Therapist Jourdan Blue - and you're not going to want to miss it. JOURDAN BLUE is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and the creator of Relationship Theory. She is a direct and results oriented therapist and coach that has worked with thousands of individuals and couples and is known for her ability to completely rewire and change insecure attachment styles permanently...

Filmmaker Stephen Gray recently directed his first feature documentary. It's called After Death, and it's a niche documentary about Near Death Experiences. Most people would aim for a a small festival run and maybe some distribution - Stephen's film opened in 2,600 theaters. In this episode, we dive into the journey from losing his brother in law to making a movie. Long Live the Dream

Welcome back to Second Order Change! I'm Evan Bourcier - your host - and today we're delving into the transformative power of creativity and resilience with the remarkable Tracy Bywater. One thing I did NOT mention in the intro is that her beautiful puppy was hanging out with us - so you might hear some background bone chewing going on once in a while. Key Topics Covered: Tracy's Journey: Tracy, a...

In Second Order Change Episode 8 we talk to Jonathan Bregel. Audio Version: https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm/listen Jon's Gram: https://www.instagram.com/jbregel/ Wistia: https://wistia.com/

In Second Order Change Episode 8 Chris Savage talks about Clunky Technology, the Cluster of Podcasting Remotely, his Journey with Wistia, LiveStreaming, Analyzing Video Analytics, Unrealistic Expectations, Gratitude, and more. Audio Version: https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm/listen Chris's Gram: https://www.instagram.com/csavage Wistia: https://wistia.com/

In Second Order Change Episode 7 Ash Crawford Flips the script on Evan as they talk about his journey with Church, Therapy, Bullying, our perception of "girls names", Creativity, Coffee, Relationships, business, and so much more. Audio Version: https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm/listen Ash's Gram: https://www.instagram.com/ashrcrawford/ Quivr Coffee: https://www.drinkquivr.com/

In Second Order Change Episode 6 Guest Brian Buirge talks about his journey with Martial Arts, Nutrition, Giving out Good Fucking Design Advice, Creating Print Products, Building and Monetizing a Brand Online, and more. Just over ten years ago, Brian and Jason, two grad students trying to grab their students’ attention, got together over two cups of coffee and six cheap beers to make basic design...

In Second Order Change Episode 5 Guest Brady McLean talks about letting go for dear life, raising heck, accepting the idea that we die, riding motorcycles, going fast without dying, honesty, and so much more. If you aren't familiar with Brady, you might wanna check him out, and you might wanna check out his brand, Go Fast, Don't Die. Go Fast Don’t Die is a brand that represents a lifestyle of risk...

Cinematographer Greig Fraser shares where he's at on his journey after winning an Oscar for best cinematography. You can find Greig on instagram: https://www.instagram.com/greigfraser_dp