Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon

Science In-Between

This is a conversation about how science teaching can move between and connect different worlds.

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Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon

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Oct 21, 2026

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Episodes

Episode 169: Add It Up 29.11.2023

In this episode, we discuss the NCTM standards and teaching practices and how they compare to the NGSS standards. NCTM Principles to Action Things that bring us joy this week: College Football: Michigan vs. Ohio State Tootsie Roll Snowballs Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 168: The Holiday Uncle Test 22.11.2023

This week we talk about The School of Thought, in particular the new Conspiracy Test that asks people to examine their own thinking. We make connections to how students learn and how to have civil conversations at the holidays. School of Thought The Conspiracy Test Things that bring us joy this week: Holiday Movies, in particular Four Christmases Scene on Radio , in particular the series Seeing Wh...

Episode 167: One Query, Two Query, Red Query, Blue Query 15.11.2023

In this episode, we discuss different ethical scenarios that relate to the use of generative AI in academic situations. Things that bring us joy this week: Hadsel by Beirut The Squirrel and Acorn Bookstore Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 166: Fidelity Landmines 08.11.2023

This week we talk about the complexity of "scaling up," or how we try and spread innovations in practice. We unpack the notion of fidelity and what it means when you want to avoid deficit positioning of learners and hierarchical notions of change. Things that bring us joy this week: The Banshees of Inisherin Research Rabbit Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 165: Fallacious Beasts and Where to Find Them 01.11.2023

In this episode, we discuss logical fallacies and how they apply to science education reform efforts. Some resources from this episode include: Audible Reckoning: How top political podcasters spread unsubstantiated and false claims (Brookings Institute, 2023) Some logical fallacies Things that bring us joy this week: Hidden Potential by Adam Grant Make Stuff Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction b...

Episode 164: Old and Regular Practices 25.10.2023

This week we talk about the engineering practices, which were added to the science practices as part of the Next Generation Science Standards (NGSS). Things that bring us joy this week: Great British Baking Show on Netflix Tour de France Unchained on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 163: Caught in Charlotte's Web 18.10.2023

In this episode, we attempt to do a cross-walk between Charlotte Danielson's Framework for Teaching and the Next Generation Science Standards and Ambitious Science Teaching. In our conversation, we draw on the following the documents: New Jersey's Science Instruction Companion to the Danielson Framework New Vision for Public Schools' Science Look Fors Things that bring us joy this week: The Winner...

Episode 162: Your Cultural Cookies 11.10.2023

This week we talk about how we talk about the social and political consequences of science as part of what we do in Ambitious Science Teaching classrooms. Heraclitius - Never step in the same river twice... Things that bring us joy this week: Fall/Autumn Weather (Sweater Weather) Dan Coe Carto Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 161: A Nobel Aspiration 04.10.2023

In this episode, we discuss who would qualify for a Nobel Prize in Education, if one existed. Things that bring us joy this week: Stop Making Sense Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 160: It Just Something Vibrating 27.09.2023

This week we return to the gapless explanation and how it can help with planning and enactment of teaching. Things that bring us joy this week: Adult Kids Moving Out Chef Reactions Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 159: I'm Julius Sumner Miller... 20.09.2023

In the episode, we discuss Julius Sumner Miller, Professor Wonderful. We specifically examine his work in the following videos: From the Australian ABC Network: Why is it so? - Tanker truck video From PBS: Demonstrations in Physics - Centrifugal Force and Other Strange Matters From The Hilarious House of Frightenstein – The Professor Things that bring us joy this week: Hijack on Apple TV+ All the...

Episode 158: Do You Want to be a Sibling? 13.09.2023

This week we talk about becoming a new member of a community and how old-timers can support bringing in new folks. Things that bring us joy this week: Seth Godin's Blog The Killing Room by Robert Smartwood Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 157: An Eye on Identity 06.09.2023

In this episode, we talk about "professional identity" and how it informs our work in teacher education and science professional development. Things that bring us joy this week: The US Open Theater Camp Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 156: Joys to the World, Vol. 3 30.08.2023

This week we share our joys for the year in books, movies, apps, games, and more. Things that bring us joy this week: Podcast The Retrievals from Serial Productions Blank Check with Griffin and David Books The Mountain in the Sea by Ray Naylar Scythe Album / Recording Artist The Record by boygenius John Craigie Game Elevate [Connections](Connections) Application Obsidian Goodreads Movie Oppenheime...

Episode 155: Crafting Syllabi in a Chat GPT World 23.08.2023

In this episode, we discuss the curricular implications of Chat GPT as we craft our syllabi for the Fall semester. This episode was inspired by a post Ollie wrote on his blog: https://the8blog.wordpress.com/2023/08/15/crafting-syllabi-in-a-chat-gpt-world/ Things that bring us joy this week: John Mulaney's comedy special, Baby J on Netflix Heart of Stone on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Evic...

Episode 154: Old Guys Going Off a Cliff 21.08.2023

This week we talk about how leaders can do their work and how to organize systems to support that work. Come Up for Air by Nick Sonnenberg Enrollment Cliff Things that bring us joy this week: Among the Thugs by Bill Buford They Cloned Tyrone on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 153: We Are Not The Destroyers of Worlds 09.08.2023

In this episode, we talk about Christopher Nolan's movie, Oppenheimer and how science and science education are portrayed. Things that bring us joy this week: Oppenheimer Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 152: Sad Statement About Me as a Son 02.08.2023

This week we talk about professional vision, what it means, and how it helps us understand teacher expertise. Masquerade by Kit Williams (book that Scott referenced, but could not remember the title of). Goodwin, C. (1994). Professional Vision. American Anthropologist, 96(3), 606–633. https://doi.org/10.1525/aa.1994.96.3.02a00100 Rodney King Things that bring us joy this week: The City We Became b...

Episode 151: We Don't Already Do That 26.07.2023

In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss engineering practices and they're taught (or not) in science classrooms. Things that bring us joy this week: Good Night, Oscar My Brilliant Friend Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 150: Suck the Joy Out of Everything 19.07.2023

This week we talk about the SCOTUS decision about affirmative action and how we think it might impact higher education. We are not legal scholars, or experts at admissions, but we are concerned with how universities can move forward in thinking about diversity. Things that bring us joy this week: Three Body Problem by Cixin Liu, Ken Liu (Translator) Obsidian Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction b...

Episode 149: A Cataclysmic Conversation 12.07.2023

In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss Richard Fenyman's "cataclysm sentence" and offer some sentences ourselves. This episode was inspired by the RadioLab episode titled The Cataclysm Sentence . To read more about Richard Feynman, check out Richard Feynman on the One Sentence to Be Passed on to the Next Generation Things that bring us joy this week: The Diplomat on Netflix Asteroid City Intro/O...

Episode 148: In A Special Episode 05.07.2023

This episode we are joined by two of our team doing professional learning around the PA STEELS Standards to talk about what we have learned. Drs. Brett Criswell and Peter Licona are our special guests. Things that bring us joy this week: The Bear on Hulu Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat: Mastering the Elements of Good Cooking by Samin Nosrat Brooklyn Nine Nine on Peacock Musikfest in Bethlehem, PA Intro/Outr...

Episode 147: To Lead or Not to Lead 28.06.2023

In this episode, we discuss leadership roles and the critical factors that relationships, trust and agency play. Things that bring us joy this week: Secret Invasion Dear Hank and John Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 146: I Kill the Bit 21.06.2023

This week we talk about games and simulation and what kind or role they play in science education. Things that bring us joy this week: Wellword Osmos+ on the Apple App Store Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

Episode 145: Specks of Fish Spawn 14.06.2023

In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss how the processes of writing and discussion help ideas form. Meeting the Universe Halfway: Quantum Physics and the Entanglement of Matter and Meaning by Karen Barad Things that bring us joy this week: Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse Carlos Alcaraz Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind

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