Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon
Science In-Between
This is a conversation about how science teaching can move between and connect different worlds.
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Scott McDonald and Ollie Dreon
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
Episode 154: Old Guys Going Off a Cliff 21.08.2023 49:32
This week we talk about how leaders can do their work and how to organize systems to support that work. Come Up for Air by Nick Sonnenberg Enrollment Cliff Things that bring us joy this week: Among the Thugs by Bill Buford They Cloned Tyrone on Netflix Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 153: We Are Not The Destroyers of Worlds 09.08.2023 43:57
In this episode, we talk about Christopher Nolan's movie, Oppenheimer and how science and science education are portrayed. Things that bring us joy this week: Oppenheimer Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 152: Sad Statement About Me as a Son 02.08.2023 43:26
This week we talk about professional vision, what it means, and how it helps us understand teacher expertise. Masquerade by Kit Williams (book that Scott referenced, but could not remember the title of). Goodwin, C. (1994). Professional Vision. American Anthropologist, 96(3), 606–633. https://doi.org/10.1525/aa.1994.96.3.02a00100 Rodney King Things that bring us joy this week: The City We Became b...
Episode 151: We Don't Already Do That 26.07.2023 45:34
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss engineering practices and they're taught (or not) in science classrooms. Things that bring us joy this week: Good Night, Oscar My Brilliant Friend Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 150: Suck the Joy Out of Everything 19.07.2023 45:18
This week we talk about the SCOTUS decision about affirmative action and how we think it might impact higher education. We are not legal scholars, or experts at admissions, but we are concerned with how universities can move forward in thinking about diversity. Things that bring us joy this week: Three Body Problem by Cixin Liu, Ken Liu (Translator) Obsidian Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction b...
Episode 149: A Cataclysmic Conversation 12.07.2023 39:39
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss Richard Fenyman's "cataclysm sentence" and offer some sentences ourselves. This episode was inspired by the RadioLab episode titled The Cataclysm Sentence . To read more about Richard Feynman, check out Richard Feynman on the One Sentence to Be Passed on to the Next Generation Things that bring us joy this week: The Diplomat on Netflix Asteroid City Intro/O...
Episode 148: In A Special Episode 05.07.2023 48:37
This episode we are joined by two of our team doing professional learning around the PA STEELS Standards to talk about what we have learned. Drs. Brett Criswell and Peter Licona are our special guests. Things that bring us joy this week: The Bear on Hulu Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat: Mastering the Elements of Good Cooking by Samin Nosrat Brooklyn Nine Nine on Peacock Musikfest in Bethlehem, PA Intro/Outr...
Episode 147: To Lead or Not to Lead 28.06.2023 48:13
In this episode, we discuss leadership roles and the critical factors that relationships, trust and agency play. Things that bring us joy this week: Secret Invasion Dear Hank and John Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 146: I Kill the Bit 21.06.2023 51:25
This week we talk about games and simulation and what kind or role they play in science education. Things that bring us joy this week: Wellword Osmos+ on the Apple App Store Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 145: Specks of Fish Spawn 14.06.2023 39:25
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss how the processes of writing and discussion help ideas form. Meeting the Universe Halfway: Quantum Physics and the Entanglement of Matter and Meaning by Karen Barad Things that bring us joy this week: Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse Carlos Alcaraz Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 144: High Grade Professional Work 07.06.2023 43:41
This week we talk about the difference between topic rebuttal and technique rebuttal. Really just a discussion of how to help people change their own minds. The involves a focus on process of how you reached your conclusions rather than focusing on the conclusions themselves when talking with someone about their ideas. Things that bring us joy this week: Puss in Boots 2: The Last Wish on Peacock K...
Episode 143: The Little General 31.05.2023 37:43
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss Chapter 3 of David McRaney's book, How Minds Change and unpack the impact that perception has on our understandings and interpretations of the world. Things that bring us joy this week: Appertivo Great Scoops cookbook Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 142: Always Second Fiddle 24.05.2023 44:32
This week we talk about what it means to do the relational work of teaching. We unpack what it means to think of teaching as relational rather than transactional and how it plays out for teachers and teaching. Things that bring us joy this week: Soul Town on Sirus XM Radio Why Buddhism is True: The Science and Philosophy of Meditation and Enlightenment by Robert Wright Intro/Outro Music: Notice of...
Episode 141: Lists are Artificial 17.05.2023 51:53
In this episode, Scott and Ollie revisit and update the advancements of artificial intelligence and discuss its societal and educational impacts. Things that bring us joy this week: How It Ends The Incredible Jessica James Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 140: Not VNOS or D-Man 10.05.2023 51:54
This week we talk about the Nature of Science. A concept that came out of Science Studies and helped us better understand science as a practice. Things that bring us joy this week: Collaborative Spotify Playlist Marvel Snap on iOS Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 139: Some Portion of the Truth 03.05.2023 45:40
In this episode, Scott and Ollie discuss two articles on practice-based teacher education that appeared in an anniversary issue of the Journal of Teacher Education (JTE). To get a flavor of the articles, check out the original article that appeared in the 2012 issue of JTE. Zeichner, K. (2012). The turn once again toward practice-based teacher education. Journal of teacher education, 63(5), 376-38...
Episode 138: Unintentionally Matching Outfits 26.04.2023 43:51
This week we talk about doing equity work with white teachers, especially in context where there are only white people in the room. Things that bring us joy this week: Shameless on Showtime John Craigie Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 137: Dispositional Throwdown 19.04.2023 1:05:53
In this episode, we debate the concept of dispositions in teacher education. In our discussion, we reference the 2020 NSTA Standards for Science Teacher Preparation and some dispositional documents available on the Penn State College of Educaiton website . Things that bring us joy this week: The Night Agent Physical: 100 Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 136: Teaching Layer Cake 13.04.2023 46:44
This week we talk about facilitating different kinds of conversations we engage in because we teach people who teach people. And now in our professional learning work, we are teaching people who are teaching people who are going to teach people science. Lots of layers to this episode. Things that bring us joy this week: Lovecraft Country by Matt Ruff Apple TV Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction...
Episode 135: Researching Epistemic Agency 06.04.2023 41:24
In this episode, we discuss some recent research on epistemic agency in science education. The list includes: Miller, E., Manz, E., Russ, R., Stroupe, D., & Berland, L. (2018). Addressing the epistemic elephant in the room: Epistemic agency and the next generation science standards. Journal of Research in Science Teaching, 55(7), 1053-1075. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/tea.21459...
Episode 134: Coercive Persuasion 29.03.2023 54:08
This week we talk about minds and how you change them. Specifically, we talk about the introduction to David McRaney's 2022 book How Minds Change . Things that bring us joy this week: Blossom Enchiladas - Recipie from Sauver Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 133: The Agency of Outdated References 22.03.2023 44:05
In this episode, we revisit the concept of agency and discuss how it applies to students, classrooms, schools, and learning. Things that bring us joy this week: Everyone in My Family Has Killed Someone Ted Lasso Season 3 Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally Blind
Episode 132: Umwelt of Podcast Dads 15.03.2023 53:04
This week we return to Culturally Responsive and Sustaining Education (CRSE) and expand to Culturally and Linguistically Responsive Teaching. Podcast Bros in th NewYork Times Umwelt Culturally and Linguistically Responsive Teaching - Peter Licona , Elizabethtown University 1. Learning about Students (Culture, Interests, Backgrounds, etc.) 2. Drawing on Student Prior Knowledge (Funds of Knowledge,...
Episode 131: Obfuscations for Change 08.03.2023 59:10
In this episode, we discuss Pennsylvania's new teaching competencies for Culturally Responsive and Sustaining Education and how they apply to our roles as science teachers. Culturally-Relevant and Sustaining Education (CR-SE) Program Framework Guidelines Things that bring us joy this week: Jack Ryan series on Prime Video Causeway movie on Apple TV+ Intro/Outro Music: Notice of Eviction by Legally...
Episode 130: Silver Bullet Pointing Practice 01.03.2023 47:27
This week we talk about where to begin with doing Ambitious Science Teaching and how there are no silver bullets to making a change in practice. We talk about how difficult and slow changes in practice are, but that we need to think deeply about the models that are the foundation of learning to be able to know how to change. Episode 44: All the Hammers - Discussion of Brown, Collins, andn Duguid (...
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