Real Organic Podcast

#284: Nicola Shirley-Phillips joins us to explore the crossroads facing Jamaican agriculture. She reflects on Ital food traditions, the spread of Green Revolution farming, the pressure of exports and imported processed foods, and the need to reconnect farmers, consumers, and policymakers to a more ecological, organic vision. Along the way, she introduces her idea of “organic intelligence” and desc...

We have a special episode to share with you this week from our friends at the State of Seed podcast, produced by Foreign Policy and the International Seed Federation: https://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/state-of-seed/ Hosted by Laura Ross-brow Tell-emm, State of Seed focuses on how seeds feed and sustain the planet. Each episode features sound-rich explorations with innovative players advancing thi...

Chuck Benbrook returns for an urgent conversation about the Supreme Court ruling in favor of Bayer-Monsanto and the wider consequences for public health, pesticide regulation, and the future of farming. He explains how the decision weakens one of the most important legal tools available to people harmed by pesticides, why it matters far beyond Roundup, and how the same political forces now shaping...

#282: Greg Asbed and Gerardo Reyes Chávez join us again for a deeper look at how the Coalition of Immokalee Workers turned one of the most exploited sectors of the food system into a model for change. They trace the path from wage theft, sexual violence, and modern-day slavery in the fields of Florida to a proven system of prevention that is now influencing labor protections across the globe and c...

#281: Laura Orlando explains what happens when industrial waste and human waste are routed into the same sewage system and repackaged to be sold as something safe - valuable even, for improving farmland. She explains how sludge spreading has poisoned farms, why Maine became a national beacon by banning its application, and what it will take to stop sewage sludge from becoming an even bigger crisis...

#280 Pam Koch reflects on what she learned from Joan Gussow, how Nutritional Ecology changed the way students think about food, and why Joan’s ideas feel even more urgent now. Moving from the history of nutrition science and the limits of reductionist research to the failures of conventional agriculture and the false promise of techno-fixes, Pam shares Joan's belief that real organic food offers a...

#279: Zephyr Teachout uses the question of organic integrity to explore a larger political problem: what happens when concentrated private power reshapes public rules while staying mostly within the law? Starting with the pressure on Real Organic to join forces with industrial organic against Bayer and Syngenta, she and Dave unpack corruption, anti-monopoly politics, regenerative agriculture, dece...

#278: Austin Frerick takes the stage at our annual Churchtown Dairy event to explain why today’s food economy looks less like a functioning market that benefits farmers and eaters, and more like a new Gilded Age. He traces how a handful of Big Food "barons" have consolidated power over grain, meat, dairy, coffee, and distribution, often using tactics that average humans would just never consider....

#277: Lindsey Lusher Shute returns to connect the dots between young farmer organizing, land access, and the practical tools farms need to survive. She shares how Hearty Roots Community Farm helped shape her policy work, why she left the National Young Farmers Coalition to focus on GrownBy, and how a cooperative approach to technology can support CSA sales, wholesale orders, farmers market transac...

This week we’re sharing a special episode from our friends at the Safe to Drink podcast, produced by the Pulitzer Prize-finalist team behind Bear Brook and The 13th Step at New Hampshire Public Radio. Safe to Drink investigates one of the largest PFAS contamination events in New Hampshire’s history. Hosted by NHPR climate reporter Mara Hoplamazian, the series follows a community grappling with “fo...

#276: Mara Hoplamazian joins the Real Organic Podcast to talk about PFAS contamination, poisoned wells, citizen activism, and the long struggle to make drinking water safer in New Hampshire and beyond. Their reporting on the NHPR series Safe to Drink follows the communities, workers, regulators, and advocates caught in a crisis shaped by corporate secrecy and years of delayed action. After this Tu...

#275: Marion Nestle takes the Churchtown stage to examine what the Make America Healthy Again movement is actually doing, and not doing, inside the American food system. She looks at food dyes, the GRAS loophole, SNAP restrictions, ultra-processed foods, pesticide politics, dietary guidelines, and the competing pressures of Big Food, Big Ag, and Washington lobbyists, arguing that the rhetoric arou...

#274: Hugh Kent returns to further the case that there is a growing divide in agriculture between industrial, chemical-intesnive practices and the organic approach of working with nature. He connects living soil, on-farm biodiversity, natural pest control, blueberry flavor and shelf life, hydroponic confusion, and the economic case for selling directly to people who still want food grown in a genu...

#273: Suzanne Simard joins Linley to discuss her new book, When the Forest Breathes, and the science that has made her one of the most influential voices in forest ecology. Together they explore mycorrhizae, soil life, clear-cutting, herbicides, climate adaptation, and the difference between forests managed for short-term extraction (industry) and forests managed for long-term resilience (indigeno...

#272: Dr. Ann López discusses the California farmworker reality tours she's designed and the deeper story they reveal about modern agriculture. As founder and executive director of the Center for Farmworker Families, López has worked to expose the difficult circumstances farmworker families face while helping the public understand the binational systems that drive migration, poverty, and invisibil...

#271: Jim Cochran joins us to talk about a lifetime of growing organic strawberries in California and the movement that helped make that work possible. A pioneer of organic berry production, Cochran reflects on early side-by-side comparisons with conventional farming, the importance of flavor and customer trust, and the economic pressures facing real organic growers today. The conversation also ex...

#270: Omar Dieguez shares the story behind his 30 day hunger strike over Driscoll’s berries and the campaign to stop pesticides near schools in Watsonville, CA and the Pajaro Valley. From spray drift and youth organizing to farmworker exposure, Omar explains why he believes a handful of fields near local schools should be converted to organic. This is a unforgettable conversation about berries, po...

#269:  Recorded live at Real Organic Project’s Churchtown event, this Farmer Friday talk features JM Fortier in front of an audience of working farmers, sharing the systems and economics behind one of the best-known small-scale market gardens in North America. He discusses permanent raised beds, human-scale tools, greenhouse production, irrigation, labor, compost, and why pricing vegetables correc...

#268: Bill McKibben discusses his new book, Here Comes the Sun, and the rapid rise of clean energy in a warming world. While much of the climate conversation focuses on damage and delay, McKibben argues that solar and wind have quietly become the cheapest energy sources on Earth, creating a real opening for change. Bill also mentions the promising field of solar power for farmers, including agrivo...

#267: What does it take to bring truly pasture-raised organic beef to market when the processing system is stacked against small and mid-sized farms? Jason and Kristina Walker of StarWalker Organic Farm join Linley to talk about raising cattle on pasture - and how they purchased their own USDA certified processing facility in northern California  - turning a supply-chain problem into a model that...

#266: Three farmer-owners of Brisa Ranch lay out a practical answer to a big question: how can small farms survive in a marketplace built for consolidated buyers and consolidated distribution? Their approach is to become “small farms as distributors” by pairing production with aggregation, cold storage, sales, and last-mile delivery through the Coastside Local Food Hub in Pescadero, California. A...

#265: Maria Rodale comes from one of the most influential families in American organic history; here she shares how her grandfather J.I. Rodale connected human health to the way food is grown and helped popularize organic through publishing. She also traces the practical takeaways behind (her dad Bob) Rodale's organic farming trials, launched in 1980, to test organic side by side with conventional...

#264: What if some of the worst biodiversity loss and land degradation is happening inside protected national parks, even where there is no farming, mining, or fossil fuel extraction? Allan Savory, author of the new book "Unsavory: African Stories of Wildlife, War, and the Birth of Holistic Management," explains how we can use livestock to reverse desertification in these areas. He also makes the...

#263: Barbara Damrosch's new book A Life In The Garden is a reminder that the best garden advice is practical: touch the soil, grow what you’ll eat, and keep learning season after season. Barbara shares stories with Dave from her lifetime of writing, filming a television show and farming alongside her husband Eliot Coleman. https://realorganicproject.org/barbara-damrosch-a-life-in-the-garden The R...

#262: Sally Fox explains why growing organic cotton can't be simplified to “skip pesticides.” She lays out the hard parts people rarely price in: weeds, labor, fertility, and what happens after the bale leaves the field. She also argues the sustainability story got narrowed to farming, while dye waste, processing impacts, and worker issues were pushed offstage. https://realorganicproject.org/sally...