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Welcome to the Property Management Business Podcast, hosted by Marc Cunningham, a veteran property manager with over 40 years of experience. This podcast offers practical insights for both beginners and experienced property managers, including topics such as industry trends, growing your business, increasing your income, marketing strategies, financial management, owner & tenant relations, and regulatory compliance. Learn valuable tips from an industry expert as you build, grow, and protect your property management business.
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Episodes
78. Why Grace Management Sold Their Property Management Company 23.06.2026 52:06
Why would we sell our successful, growing property management company? In this special episode of the Property Management Business Podcast, the microphone gets turned around as Kit Garren interviews Marc Cunningham about Grace Property Management's recent sale to Associa and Rhome Property Management. After announcing the sale earlier this year, Marc received countless questions from industry peer...
77. What Property Managers Need To Know About The Macro Housing Market with Ivy Zelman 26.05.2026 45:28
What's actually happening in the housing market right now and how should property managers respond? In this episode, Marc Cunningham sits down with housing market expert Ivy Zelman of Zelman & Associates to unpack the macro housing trends shaping the future of property management. Ivy shares why today's market is more segmented than ever, how overbuilding in Sunbelt markets is impacting rents and...
76. How To Grow In A Slow Market and 6 Other Things You Know But Are Doing Nothing About with Dave Borden of Rentvine 12.05.2026 1:16:56
What are the things you already know about your property management business but keep ignoring? In this episode, Marc Cunningham and Dave Borden of Rentvine break down six hard truths every property manager faces, from declining rental demand to rising owner expectations. The difference isn't awareness; it's action. This conversation challenges the "it is what it is" mindset and reframes common in...
75. Growing to 600 Doors + AI Powered Maintenance with David Normand of Vendoroo 28.04.2026 47:46
What does it take to grow a property management company to 600 doors and what happens when you hit the wall? In this episode, Marc Cunningham sits down with David Normand of Vendoroo to break down his journey from scaling a property management company from under 100 doors to 600 in just a few years. David shares the simple four-word tagline that fueled that growth "Dave is your guy" and why trust,...
74. Marketing To New Clients Through AI Generated Video with Brent Holmes of Clockwork Media 14.04.2026 35:27
How do you market to new clients without spending hours creating content or getting stuck on camera? In this episode, Marc Cunningham sits down with Brent Holmes of Clockwork Media to explore how AI-generated video is changing the way property managers attract and convert new owner clients. Marc has long emphasized the importance of educational video in building trust and generating leads, but exe...
73. The Biggest Opportunities in Property Management Today with Peter Lohmann of Crane 24.03.2026 53:50
What are the biggest opportunities in property management right now and are you missing them? In this episode, Marc Cunningham sits down with Peter Lohmann, owner of RL Property Management (750 doors) and founder of the Crane community for property management business owners. Peter shares lessons from the opportunities he wished he had pursued earlier from buying more rental homes after the 2008 h...
72. Using AI to Grow Your Property Management Business with Kristen Ewen of PMW 10.03.2026 47:24
How does a property management company generate 1,400 owner leads in a single year without running pay-per-click ads? In this episode, Marc Cunningham brings on Kristen Ewen of PMW (Property Manager Websites) and Rentvine to analyze Grace Property Management's website live. Instead of theory, this is a real breakdown of what's actually driving owner leads and where the content gaps still exist. Th...
71. Inhouse Maintenance + Buying the Company You Work for with Melissa Sharon of 1st Rate Property Management 24.02.2026 48:35
In-house maintenance can transform a property management company — or create operational chaos. So how do you know when it makes sense? In this episode, Marc Cunningham sits down with Melissa Sharon of FirstRate Property Management (1,200 doors in Boise, Idaho) to break down the real pros and cons of running in-house maintenance. Melissa shares how her team structured a separate maintenance divisi...
70. Getting to 275 doors with Carson Hamann of Bobcat Property Management 10.02.2026 43:16
What does it really take to grow a property management company from scratch and do it while building a life outside the business? In this episode, Marc Cunningham sits down with Carson Hamann of Bobcat Property Management to unpack her journey from buying her first rental at 18 years old to running a 275-door property management company in Northern Nevada. Carson shares how she grew mostly organic...
69. How I Built A Property Management Division From My Real Estate Sales Company with Justin Woodall 27.01.2026 41:42
Can a property management company add real estate sales or should a real estate sales company bolt on property management? In this episode, Marc Cunningham sits down with Justin Woodall to unpack how Justin successfully built a property management division out of an already thriving real estate sales business. Justin shares why he chose to separate the two brands, how personality differences betwe...
68. How to Get More Owner Leads with Stephen Fox of Upkeep Media 13.01.2026 47:25
How are you planning to generate new owner-client leads in 2026 and are you betting on tactics that actually work? In this episode, Marc Cunningham sits down with Stephen Fox of Upkeep Media to break down the most effective, realistic strategies property management companies should be focusing on to drive owner leads next year. Instead of chasing shiny objects or short-term hacks, the conversation...
67. 2026 Rental Market Preview Part 2 - What to Expect with Jesse Lederman of Zelman 30.12.2025 53:59
Renewal rent growth has been carrying the rental market—but how long can that last? In Part 2 of this in-depth conversation, Marc Cunningham continues his discussion with Jesse Lederman, Chief Financial Analyst at Zelman, breaking down the less-talked-about forces shaping the 2026 rental market. This episode dives into renewal rent growth versus new move-in pricing, blended rent growth, days on ma...
66. 2026 Rental Market Preview Part 1 - What to Expect with Jesse Lederman of Zelman 30.12.2025 42:27
The 2026 rental market is shaping up to look very different than the last few years—and property managers need to be ready to explain why. In this special year-end episode, Marc Cunningham sits down with Jesse Lederman, Chief Financial Analyst at Zelman, to break down insights from Zelman's latest Single-Family Rental Survey. Together, they unpack what the data is really saying about rent growth,...
65. Can Property Management Be A Family Business? - Joe & Sheila Stokley of Stokley Properties 23.12.2025 1:03:32
Can property management truly thrive as a family business or does mixing family and operations create more problems than it solves? In this episode, host Marc Cunningham sits down with Joe and Sheila Stokley of Stokley Properties, a husband-and-wife team managing more than 850 doors in the San Francisco Bay Area. Together, they unpack what it really takes to scale a family-run property management...
64. How We Increase Owner Leads Through Our Website with Chris Springer of PMW 09.12.2025 1:03:06
Facing slower owner leads? Marc Cunningham welcomes Chris Springer of Property Manager Websites (PMW) and Rentvine to dissect the essential, ultra-specific strategies PMs need to win in today's market. Marc shares the unorthodox reason why he started working with PMA and Chris details how PMW scales while keeping service personal. PMW announces the data-backed decision to upgrade clients to thei...
63. How to get hard to rent properties rented with Vanessa Anderson of Tenant Turner 25.11.2025 52:35
Struggling with high vacancy rates in a slow rental market? You're not alone. The national average days on market has peaked near 45, making old "order-taking" leasing methods ineffective. Vanessa Anderson of Tenant Turner reveals the sobering data on current rental trends and, most crucially, the specific, automated strategies needed to secure a lease. Discover the power of real-time responsivene...
62. Managing 4500 Doors with Kyle Stephenson of KRS Holdings 11.11.2025 53:09
Running a 4500-door property management firm isn't all smoking cigars and napping on hammocks. Kyle Stephenson of KRS Holdings reveals the intense, balanced structure behind his massive scale, from a rigid daily schedule to his unorthodox, but wildly effective, team culture. You'll hear the shocking event that solidifies staff loyalty (hint: it involves the Dominican Republic) and his brutally hon...
61. How to get your owner-clients to trust you, with Lior Abramovich of Blanket Home 28.10.2025 59:16
Do your owner-clients see you as an expense or a trusted partner? Property management leaders Marc Cunningham and Lior Abramovich of Blanket Homes challenge the old model of competing on price and being purely transactional. They reveal the framework for deciding what opportunities to pursue (and which to abandon) and why a relationship-centric approach is the only way to scale your business in th...
60. How to run a stress free property management company with Candice Cather of STG Rentals 14.10.2025 45:29
Discover how Candice Cather, 20-year Owner-Broker of STG Rentals, built a truly stress-free property management business in Saint George, Utah. Candice shares how she structures her days to spend 80% of her time on vision and company direction. Learn her intentional approach to attracting only high-quality owners who see her team as the expert, resulting in a remarkably low 2% turnover rate. Candi...
59. Focus on Opportunities Over Goals: Stop Getting Sucked into the Day-to-Day with Pablo Gonzalez of Vendoroo 23.09.2025 1:09:06
Are you feeling guilty about taking time off? Does the day-to-day grind keep you from thinking about big-picture growth? In this episode, roles are reversed as Pablo Gonzalez joins us to ask Marc the questions. Marc opens up about his unconventional philosophy that helped him scale Grace Management to over 1200 doors. Revealing why reading the Wall Street Journal is a good use of his time, how he...
58. How We Manage Property Managers - Ben Burnett with Grace Property Management 09.09.2025 48:07
In this episode, Ben Burnett, Grace Property Management's VP of Property Management, shares how he manages a team of 15 high performing property managers, his journey from being a PM to a VP, and the challenges he's overcome. He discusses his approach to leadership, emphasizing the importance of one-on-one meetings, and how he handles owner leads. This conversation offers valuable insights for com...
57. How Our VP Operations Runs Grace Management - meet Jessica Kampa with Grace Property Management 26.08.2025 52:18
In this episode, Jessica Kampa VP of Operations at Grace Property Management, joins us to pull back the curtain on how their property management company runs. Jessica shares her journey from being hired to her current role, discussing the importance of delegation, why she's a firm believer in weekly one-on-ones, and how she's learned to manage a growing team. She offers invaluable advice to other...
56. Single Family Rental Survey Results with Jesse Lederman of Zelman 12.08.2025 50:11
In the current volatile market, property managers face a number of complex issues, from rising maintenance costs to longer days on market and shifting rent dynamics. On this episode, Marc sits down with Jesse Lederman, a senior analyst from Zelman & Associates, to dissect the latest single-family rental survey from Zelman. They discuss the critical trends impacting your business, including occupan...
55. How To Hire with Pete Neubig of VPM Solutions 22.07.2025 58:05
Have you ever made a bad hire? Finding the right people is a frequent challenge for property management companies. Many struggle with hiring processes that lack structure, leading to less-than-ideal hires and high performers leaving. The key to building a strong team and allowing owners to step into more of a CEO role is to implement a consistent, values-driven hiring process. This episode gives p...
54. 10 Worst States To Be A Landlord 08.07.2025 27:05
Discover the ten toughest states for landlords, uncovering the strict laws, high taxes, and lengthy eviction processes that make property ownership challenging. Marc reveals how anti-landlord legislation and rent control impact your bottom line. Crucially, learn about the rise of "accidental landlords" and how this growing market segment presents a major opportunity for property management busines...
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