Carinn & Kate
Pop Fiction Women
In Pop Fiction Women we deep-dive into the complicated women of books, movies and TV shows, along with the women that bring them to life behind the scenes. Think Fleabag and Phoebe Waller Bridge, Normal People and Sally Rooney, and so much more. In each episode you can expect us to: * Break down the protagonist as we ask what makes her complicated? * Identify the best scenes, which can mean sweetest, funniest, or most badass. Anything we love. * Recount the cringiest scenes. The ones that make you squirm. Sometimes it’s self-sabotage, sometimes it’s growth, but it’s always part of the process...
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Carinn & Kate
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Feb 10, 2026
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Episodes
Sarah Pinborough & 'Insomnia': Complicated Conversations Series 12.04.2022 39:25
We are thrilled to be chatting with Sarah Pinborough. Sarah is a New York Times and Sunday Times Number one bestselling author who is published in over 30 territories worldwide. Having published more than 25 novels across various genres, her recent books include Behind Her Eyes, now a smash hit Netflix limited series, Dead To Her, now in development with Amazon Studios, and 13 Minutes and The Deat...
Sally Hepworth & 'The Younger Wife': Complicated Conversations Series 05.04.2022 51:05
Sally Hepworth is the New York Times bestselling author of six prior novels, including The Good Sister, The Mother-In-Law, and The Younger Wife is out now! ** After Sally describes The Younger Wife as yet another story of “really dysfunctional families,” Sally tells us about the sisters, Tully and Rachel. Apparently for Sally, the most “wild character” comes first, which we loved hearing about. (0...
Minkie Spiro & 'Pieces of Her' on Netflix: Complicated Conversations 25.03.2022 35:28
We were thrilled to chat with Minkie Spiro, director of Netflix's Pieces of Her. A Fulbright scholar, some of Minkie's more recent credits include The Plot Against America, Downton Abbey, Dead To Me, Better Call Saul, The Deuce, Barry, Fosse/Verdon. Among her accolades, she is a DGA and BAFTA nominee. Listen to her share stories about the show, the start of her career, her family, and her astrolog...
Sara Blaedel & 'A Harmless Lie': Complicated Conversations Series 22.03.2022 35:29
We are thrilled to be chatting with Sara Blaedel. Sara is the author of the #1 international bestselling series featuring Detective Louise Rick, as well as The Family Secrets series. Sara is known as Denmark’s “Queen of Crime”, and over 3 million copies of her books have been sold in Denmark alone -- which has a population of 5.7 million! With translations in 38 countries, she has a dedicated fan...
'Life & Beth' Recap Episodes 1 and 2: Amy Schumer Impresses 18.03.2022 41:13
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Pieces of Her Recap: Ep 2-8, how we love a thriller engine with a mother-daughter heartbeat at its core 11.03.2022 1:13:15
Pieces of Her Recap: Ep 2-8. How we love a thriller engine with a mother-daughter heartbeat at its core. This show never lost sight of either piece. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Sarah Pekkanen & Greer Hendricks with 'The Golden Couple': Complicated Conversations Series 08.03.2022 33:33
We are thrilled to chat with Greer Hendricks and Sarah Pekkanen, the New York Times bestselling co-authors of The Wife Between Us, An Anonymous Girl, and You Are Not Alone. Their new novel, The Golden Couple, is out now! ** After a discussion about what it’s like to create and promote during a pandemic and the overview of this new novel, we discuss Avery, the complicated “maverick” therapist who i...
Pieces of Her Recap: Ep 1 plus behind the scenes discussion with the dream team of women behind this show 04.03.2022 48:30
We were fortunate enough to attend a Q&A with the dream team of women behind this show: Karin Slaughter, Toni Collette, Bella Heathcote, Charlotte Stoudt, Minkie Spiro, and Bruna Papandrea. We recap their behind the scenes stories, as well as the thrill of episode one. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Rebecca Serle & 'One Italian Summer': Complicated Conversations Series 02.03.2022 34:59
We are thrilled to chat with Rebecca Serle once again, this time about her new novel One Italian Summer. This book explores the powerful bond between a mother and a daughter, set on the breathtaking Amalfi Coast. We devoured this book in one sitting and yet it kept us talking for days! One Italian Summer is the story of a young woman who has lost her mother, who was her best friend and her first p...
Rosie Walsh & 'The Love Of My Life': Complicated Conversations Series 01.03.2022 43:17
Rosie Walsh & 'The Love Of My Life': Complicated Conversations Series It’s time to get complicated! Today we are thrilled to be chatting with Rosie Walsh, author of the international bestseller, Ghosted, about her new novel, The Love Of My Life. ** Complicated Woman: Emma. The protagonist of The Love of My Life declares herself “complicated,” as does her husband, and Rosie shares how she always kn...
Inventing Anna Ep 2-9 Recaps: Challenging Our Love of the Unlikeable Female Protagonist 24.02.2022 1:26:45
Who were we rooting for here? This show blurs the lines of victim and villain in so many ways, but we weren't as conflicted as we wanted to be. In the end, we're rooting for one woman: Shonda, the clear winner. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nina de Gramont & 'The Christie Affair': Complicated Conversations Series 23.02.2022 30:55
Today we are chatting with Nina de Gramont about her new novel, The Christie Affair, which was just selected as the Reese Book Club February pick! This episode is sponsored by the audiobook edition of The Christie Affair, published by Macmillan Audio. ** Nina starts by giving us the scoop on what it’s like to be picked by Reese for her book club, complete with the street cred it earned her with he...
Erica Katz & 'FAKE': Complicated Conversations Series 22.02.2022 45:48
We are so excited to be chatting (again) with Erica Katz to discuss her second novel, FAKE. ** Complicated Woman: Emma. Erica tells us about her development of Emma, a woman with a secret and a past she'd like to forget who is struggling to figure out life in the art world. (03:27) ** Erica shares how a passage from Fake that we love – “Life is complicated. That’s why we have art. To help us make...
'Love & Basketball' & Gina Prince Bythewood 15.02.2022 1:08:49
The universe brought this iconic film to Kate via Issa Rae and once she read that writer director Gina Prince-Bythewood was inspired to write it because of When Harry Met Sally she knew Carinn would get on board. We may be late to the game, but in the end we both agree it’s the movie we never knew we needed. ** Complicated Woman: Monica. As “a Quincy”, Carinn struggled to find her way into Monica,...
Inventing Anna Ep 1 Recap: Ambition, Motherhood and Mansplaining with that Shonda vibe 11.02.2022 54:51
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Coco Mellors & 'Cleopatra and Frankenstein': Complicated Conversations Series 08.02.2022 49:05
Coco Mellors gets deep with us about her debut novel, Cleopatra and Frankenstein, a “new New York love story.” ** Complicated Woman: Cleo. Coco describes Cleo as “the heart of the novel,” but explains that it took her years of writing to get to know her because it was like mining her unconscious -- like looking into the sun (01:51). ** We discuss Coco’s bold narrative choices and how the structur...
Somebody, Somewhere Recap Ep 1-3: Complicated Women Get Lost Sometimes 01.02.2022 52:49
Sam introduces us to a new category of complicated, one we may have covered, but never named -- lost. And here’s some analysis you won’t find anywhere else on the internet: Sam reminds Carinn a lot of Billie from Sex/Life, while Kate echoes the term "coming of middle-age" for this story. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adcho...
Ozark Recap S4 Ep 5-7 recap: What Is Family? 30.01.2022 1:26:15
The theme of these three episodes is blood above all else, but it’s really challenged in this episode. Is family more important than anything else? What makes your family? Is it blood? Is it legal obligation, like marriage? Is it choice? We see so many characters directly asking and answering those questions. Frank Jr to his father, Omar to Javi, Wyatt to Darlene, says he won’t cut Ruth out becaus...
Ozark Recap S4 Ep 2-4: Ruth Grows; Wendy Regresses 23.01.2022 52:00
Ozark Episodes 2-4: Ruth Grows; Wendy Regresses; Charlotte is more capable, but also more vulnerable; Darlene is a loose cannon, but she's got Ruth aiming her at the right targets. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Ozark Recap S 4 Ep 1: The Beginning of the End 21.01.2022 31:08
There are so many incredible women on this show and we can't wait to see what trouble they get themselves in -- and out of -- in the final season. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Station Eleven Recap: this is what it feels like to be a parent and this is how we want to feel in the pandemic 17.01.2022 42:55
My love is real. You just can’t see it, you’re inside of it. I knit you out of it. Survival is insufficient. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
'The Lost Daughter' & Maggie Gyllenhaal and Elena Ferrante 13.01.2022 2:18:17
Written and directed by the brilliant Maggie Gyllenhaal, based on the novella by Elena Ferrante, The Lost Daughter engendered a strong, dare we say, obsessive, reaction in us! Even after discussing it for hours, this complicated and complex portrayal of motherhood stays with us. ** The Damn Doll. Where do we even start with this damn doll? It confounds Kate and causes Carinn to hate Leda for steal...
Nikki May & 'Wahala': Complicated Conversations Series 11.01.2022 32:25
Today we’re chatting with Nikki May about her debut novel, WAHALA. Born in Bristol, raised in Lagos, and now living in Dorset, Nikki May is Nigerian-British. Wahala, which in West Africa is a word for trouble, has been called a “contemporary friendship novel with a crime twist.” It was inspired by a long lunch with friends. Listen to our episode while you wait for your copy of WAHALA to arrive. Se...
SIDEBAR: Marriage & Divorce Are Both Complicated (and we love it) 03.01.2022 44:41
We discuss the many narratives around marriage and divorce, with examples from Tom Brady and Gisele, as well as divorce guru Adele. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Being The Ricardos & Lucille Ball 27.12.2021 46:01
We had no idea what a badass Lucille Ball was! Her accomplishments made our jaw drop but it was her relationship that held our hearts and minds captive. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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