Carinn & Kate
Pop Fiction Women
In Pop Fiction Women we deep-dive into the complicated women of books, movies and TV shows, along with the women that bring them to life behind the scenes. Think Fleabag and Phoebe Waller Bridge, Normal People and Sally Rooney, and so much more. In each episode you can expect us to: * Break down the protagonist as we ask what makes her complicated? * Identify the best scenes, which can mean sweetest, funniest, or most badass. Anything we love. * Recount the cringiest scenes. The ones that make you squirm. Sometimes it’s self-sabotage, sometimes it’s growth, but it’s always part of the process...
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Carinn & Kate
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Latest episode
Feb 10, 2026
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Episodes
Kate Williams & 'Never Coming Home': Complicated Conversations Series 21.06.2022 27:42
On this very special episode of Complicated Conversations, Carinn's co-host is her son! They are joined by Kate Williams, author of NEVER COMING HOME. A modern twist on Agatha Christie's And Then There Were None, this novel is a satisfying YA that has the crossover appeal of The Hunger Games and We Were Liars. Don't fight your kids for this one, just buy multiple copies -- you won't regret it. Bot...
Lisa Taddeo & 'GHOST LOVER': Complicated Conversations Series 14.06.2022 36:22
On this episode of Complicated Conversations, we are thrilled to welcome back Lisa Taddeo, the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Three Women, which she is adapting as a dramatic series at Showtime, and the novel Animal. Her short stories have not only been nominated for, but won the Pushcart Prize -- twice. Both of those stories are included in her new collection, GHOST LOVER, which is ou...
Carola Lovering & 'Can't Look Away': Complicated Conversations Series 14.06.2022 55:20
On this episode of Complicated Conversations we are thrilled to chat with Carola Lovering, bestselling author of the novels Tell Me Lies and Too Good to Be True, about her new novel, Can’t Look Away, a story of young love, second chances, and the choices we make. ** After Carola gives us the overview of her romantic suspense novel, we discuss her protagonist Molly who is caught between two phases...
Hacks Season 2: Some of the Best Television On Television 12.06.2022 1:31:59
We LOVE Hacks and think Season 2 might be even better than Season 1. The first episode sets up Deborah Vance's career rockbottom, but episode 4 sees her emotional and personal rock bottom. Her rise from the ashes made us laugh and cry. It was better than Cats!! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Katie Gutierrez & 'More Than You'll Ever Know': Complicated Conversations Series 07.06.2022 46:55
In this Complicated Conversation we are thrilled to be joined by Katie Gutierrez, the author of the debut novel More Than You'll Ever Know, an evocative drama about a woman caught leading a double life after one husband murders the other, and the true-crime writer who becomes obsessed with telling her story. ** We discuss Cassie, the true crime writer, and learn about the challenges Katie faced fi...
The Flight Attendant Season 2, Ep 2-8: What Worked Well For Us vs Which Storylines Were Turbulent 02.06.2022 54:01
We discuss Cassie's Mind Palace, the myriad storylines, Max & Annie, the "old" model of alcoholism, and of course, Mommy Issues. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Maria Adelmann & 'How To Be Eaten': Complicated Conversations Series 31.05.2022 42:28
Fairy tales + Group Therapy + The Bachelor = your next read. On this episode of Complicated Conversations, we are thrilled to be chatting with Maria Adelmann about her debut novel, How To Be Eaten. This darkly funny and provocative novel reimagines classic fairy tale characters as modern women in a support group for trauma. ** Maria talks about her development of these five complicated women and...
Lauren McBrayer & 'Like A House On Fire': Complicated Conversations Series 24.05.2022 46:18
On today’s episode of Complicated Conversations, we are thrilled to be talking with Lauren McBrayer about her adult debut novel, Like A House On Fire. ** Lauren begins by telling us about how this novel helped her write a more authentic version of herself. She shares an amazing story of how the novel came to be and what her metaphorical death and the books of Dani Shapiro and Sally Rooney have in...
Conversations With Friends Recap, Ep 11-12 - Pop Fiction Women 19.05.2022 58:15
Conversations With Friends Recap, Ep 11-12 - Pop Fiction Women Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com. Stay Complicated! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Conversations With Friends Recap, Ep 9-10 - Pop Fiction Women 18.05.2022 55:47
Conversations With Friends Recap, Ep 9-10 - Pop Fiction Women Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com. Stay Complicated! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Conversations With Friends Recap, Ep 6-8 - Pop Fiction Women 17.05.2022 29:43
Conversations With Friends Recap, Ep 6-8 - Pop Fiction Women Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com. Stay Complicated! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Conversations With Friends Recap, Ep 3-5 - Pop Fiction Women 16.05.2022 1:00:36
A new angle on Sally Rooney's content, the show puts Bobbi and Frances front and center. Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com. Stay Complicated! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Conversations With Friends Recap, Ep 1-2 - Pop Fiction Women 15.05.2022 43:10
We meet our favorite love quadrangle in person -- Frances, Bobbi, Melissa, Nick -- and we are SO in love. Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com. Stay Complicated! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Hacks Season 2, Ep1 Recap: From Top Dog To Fall From Grace, Deborah Vance Shines As An Underdog 13.05.2022 26:53
Deborah Vance, played so brilliantly by the great Jean Smart, ends this first episode bloodied, clawing her way over whatever obstacles she faces. Now an underdog, Deborah is leaving Las Vegas, the city she once ruled, to hit the road and reinvent herself with Ava (precariously) by her side. There will be blood, as the title of this first episode foretells, but there is also going to be vulnerabil...
Dervla McTiernan & 'The Murder Rule': Complicated Conversations Series 10.05.2022 40:44
On this episode of Complicated Conversations, we chat with internationally bestselling author Dervla McTiernan about her new novel, The Murder Rule. ** After perfectly nailing her elevator pitch, Dervla talks about how writing Hannah, her protagonist, was a bit of wish fulfillment. (02:24) ** The Murder Rule reminds us of Karin Slaughter’s bestseller, Pieces of Her, which is a massive compliment....
'Conversations With Friends' & Sally Rooney 08.05.2022 1:40:34
In this episode we are discussing Sally Rooney’s 2017 debut novel, Conversations With Friends, a story about two college students and the strange, unexpected connection they forge with a married couple. Like all Sally Rooney novels, we have so many questions: What is a friend? What is a conversation? Can you love more than one person? Is second choice love really love? What is a relationship? What...
Ozark Series Finale: Where They Started And Where They End To Where They Might End Up In Twenty Years 07.05.2022 1:35:57
Our beloved show is over, but we had a hell of a conversation about it. We bring it back to key moments in Season 1, discussing what evolved over 44 episodes and what stayed the same. The theme is: nothing changed and yet everything changed. It's complicated. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Emily Henry & 'Book Lovers': Complicated Conversations Series 05.05.2022 28:02
On today’s episode of Complicated Conversations, we are joined by Emily Henry. Emily is the #1 New York Times bestselling author of People We Meet on Vacation and Beach Read, as well as several young adult novels. Her books have been featured in Buzzfeed, Oprah Magazine, Entertainment Weekly, The New York Times, The Skimm, Shondaland, and more. Her new novel, Book Lovers, is out now! See omnystudi...
Sascha Rothchild & 'Blood Sugar': Complicated Conversations Series 02.05.2022 45:20
On this episode of Complicated Conversations, we chat with Sascha Rothchild about her debut novel, BLOOD SUGAR. Sascha is an Emmy-nominated screenwriter, who has written on and produced lauded shows such as The Carrie Diaries, GLOW, The Bold Type, and The Babysitters Club. ** Sascha starts by sharing the real life inspiration for this book that involves a dream about her husband dying and her bein...
Ozark Recap S4 Ep 8-11: Everyone Moving Up a Peg, Both Comforting and Disturbing 01.05.2022 1:50:55
Who else has been binging Ozark’s final season, Part 2 this weekend? We have your recap of the first four episodes (Ep. 8-11) and we’re deep into the psychology of Marty and Wendy Byrde…who we relate to, how they work together, and how completely sideways they get when they’re at odds. We’re also transfixed by the grief-stricken vengeful version of Ruth, following her trance-like start set to the...
Theresa Kang & 'Pachinko': Complicated Conversations Series 27.04.2022 42:30
On this episode of Complicated Conversations, we are chatting with Theresa Kang, the founder and CEO of Blue Marble Pictures and Blue Marble Management and executive producer of Apple TV+ hit series Pachinko. ** Theresa shares what gave her the bold belief that she could sell this adaptation of Min Jin Lee’s novel, a global series told in three languages with an all Asian cast. (01:59) ** We lo...
The Flight Attendant Season 2: Are We Ready To Take Off With Cassie Again? Recap Ep 1 25.04.2022 34:12
HBOMax's The Flight Attendant Season 2: Are We Ready To Take Off With Cassie Again? Find out in our recap of episode 1. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
'Deep Water' - Adaptation with Ben Affleck & Ana De Armas 20.04.2022 1:20:43
On this episode Kate and Carinn discuss Deep Water, the movie adaptation of Patricia Highsmith's novel, but what you'll hear is a little different. Usually when we decide to cover content, we intentionally don't discuss it before hand so we can react to the other person's perspective in real time. There have been 2 or 3 exceptions in our 170+ episodes where one one of us kind of needs to say to th...
Amanda Bestor-Siegal & 'The Caretakers': Complicated Conversations Series 18.04.2022 35:45
Today we are thrilled to be joined by Amanda Bestor-Siegal to discuss her debut novel, The Caretakers, which is an emotionally riveting novel set in a wealthy Parisian suburb told from the point of view of six women, and centered around a group of au pairs, one of whom is arrested after a sudden and suspicious tragedy strikes her host family. The Caretakers is a dramatic exploration of identity, c...
Mai Al-Nakib & 'An Unlasting Home': Complicated Conversations Series 13.04.2022 37:23
It’s time to get complicated! We’re thrilled to be chatting with Mai Al-Nakib about her new novel, An Unlasting Home, a multigenerational saga that traces the lives of five formidable women across multiple countries and continents. ** After Mai describes that this is a story of inherited trauma, loss, migratory passages, and looking for home, we discuss the complicated women of this novel and the...
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